Should Federer just take off a few months and get ready for the Grass season

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Deleted member 688153

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^^Yep, after last year he's making the right decision IMO. Get a few points that might help at the end of the year too
 

oldmanfan

Legend
I don't see why on Earth he wants to play Clay. He may get injured ?? He has zero chance in any event !!
HE still has one last shot at Wimbledon but that is just gravy.

I would try to break Connors record of most tourneys win or focus on the grass season.
He is too old for clay grind

Zero chance like how his chances looked after playing Albot in Miami 2R? He's not a scrub on clay. Besides Djokovic and Nadal, who else has made RG finals? Right. Just Wawrinka and Thiem (Murray is not playing RG). Fed not only made 5 finals, he managed to win one. He's older, sure. But then again, he's also older here at Miami 2019/17, and before his Miami2017 win, he last won it in 2006. He had no business winning it in 2017 right? Yet not only did he win that one, he just won his 2nd one since that 11yr drought.

Do remember that the best performer of the slow-as-molasses Sunshine Doubles is Fedr, and he was 1 point away from serving for IW as well. Since he can win with these slow conditions, I like his clay chances. ;)
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
Maybe he is playing RG with zero expectations and may even be willing to "retire" matches if he's not feeling great. All for the sake to keeping fit.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
fedr on one leg in 2016 went 3-2 on clay and his losses were fairly close to decent clay court players Thiem and Tsonga.

Choosing Madrid is a wiserer move...the faster conditions will help him play a bit more aggressively. Hopefully he doesn’t again draw Kyrgios early and get into TB roulette so he can get needed clay match experience under his belt. Despite that early exit and a R16 loss at M-C to Gurufils, fedr went a respectable 13-4 on dirt in 2015.
 

byealmeens

Semi-Pro
Maybe he is playing RG with zero expectations and may even be willing to "retire" matches if he's not feeling great. All for the sake to keeping fit.
I don't think that is completely accurate (in terms of retiring) but he said in the post match interview after the Miami win that he is playing with zero pressure. I think he misses it, honestly, and why not? At this stage he is also playing to enjoy himself.

I also agree with others, however, that as a means of staying sharp this is a good tactic. He needs more matches if he expects to beat an in form Novak or Rafa.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Since he can win with these slow conditions, I like his clay chances. ;)

Does this mean you think he has a legitimate chance to win Madrid or the FO? Most of us Fed fans are thinking a QF in Madrid or a second week at RG constitutes a win at his age. I like your eternal optimism!
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not expecting much (or anything) on clay, but I don't see any serious dangers to him playing on it this year. Injury would be bad, but he could just as easily have gotten injured on a HC or by slipping on the grass.

I don't mind this decision so much anymore because his results are basically telling him to do it. In 2017 he cleaned up everywhere so skipping clay only made sense, and in 2018 he tried to use the same formula that had worked in 2017. A case of if it isn't broke don't fix it, but now he's fixing it.

Not a lot to be worried about IMO. Most of the people that wanted to see him play on clay in 2017 and 2018 just wanted to see him get beaten by Nadal, but I think Federer's slam results since AO 2018 have lowered expectations tbh. So small stuff like that hardly matters anymore.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
Does this mean you think he has a legitimate chance to win Madrid or the FO? Most of us Fed fans are thinking a QF in Madrid or a second week at RG constitutes a win at his age. I like your eternal optimism!

Appreciate that.

As for Madrid/RG. Well, since his return at AO17, Fedr has missed reaching the SFs or better in M1000s only once (!) at Miami18, a fluke really and Fedr's form was bad then. His form is way better this time. As Fedr has said before, if you're in SFs and Fs, you have chances to win it all.

Am I expecting a win at either Madrid or RG? Nope. But I think he's a contender. It's not like there's a rule saying he HAS to play either Nadal/Djokovic/Thiem to win any of them right? And this clay season is the most uncertain from 2017-19 (Nadal injury and much older, Djokovic poor form, Fedr good form, Thiem poor clay form in South American swing). Thru 2 tournaments (IW19/Miami19), Fedr played the maximum # of matches by reaching the finals of both, yet he only had a chance to play Nadal and Thiem in the same tournament. Nadal ended up ducking Fedr, and Fedr should've beaten Thiem (read: vs. Thiem, Fedr has a 50/50 chance minimum :)).

The thing is, optimism is how Fedr can still be on the tour with such zest. Cup-half-full or cup-half-empty is the same thing, but the one who sees the cup-half-full (Fedr) usually has an easier time (don't confuse this with being blind ;)). Right after the match, Fedr did say that he played well, but Thiem was just a bit better. Fedr just shrugged the Thiem loss and went straight to practice the following Monday in Miami. That's his cup-half-full.

See the below post that I made on the Monday of Miami19, a day after Fedr lost to Thiem in IW19 finals (I bolded some text). It's with a bit of hope then, but I 'could' imagine that had he won IW19, he might've celebrated too late and get to Miami19 later than that Monday, dealt with the rained-out Tuesday, and likely even more hectic schedules from qualies and even more congested schedules, and then completely wreck his practice schedule. This might really lead to an early round loss, netting much less than the 1600pts that he just won, and still resulting in only 1 title. Even if he ended up with the same results but flipped, leaving Miami with a title is better than leaving as a Miami finalist but won IW, imo.

My old very optimistic post, 2 weeks ago, for Miami19 ;) :
I hear ya. No confirmation yet, but I'm hearing the conditions, medium-slow CPI, might be slightly faster than IW19. It's a new venue, and I think Fedr has a history of doing well in new places/conditions (i.e. blue-clay Madrid win, Istanbul win, London-WTF, Shanghai-WTF win?, Stuttgart SF?, etc.).

I'm optimistic. I can see him winning IW19 and flopping at Miami19, but by him NOT winning IW19, he 'may' win Miami19 and net more points total bc of the hunger of losing IW19.
We'll see ;).


 
fedr on one leg in 2016 went 3-2 on clay and his losses were fairly close to decent clay court players Thiem and Tsonga.

Choosing Madrid is a wiserer move...the faster conditions will help him play a bit more aggressively. Hopefully he doesn’t again draw Kyrgios early and get into TB roulette so he can get needed clay match experience under his belt. Despite that early exit and a R16 loss at M-C to Gurufils, fedr went a respectable 13-4 on dirt in 2015.

Also had a very impressive straight sets win against RBA at MC.
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
Obviously we're all hoping not, but I honestly think he'll play after this season. 2 years ago I would've said the same as you (and I did), but now I'm not so sure. I feel like Federer will play into his 40's at this point just to prove it's possible.

The arrogance. ;)

It's incredible that he is still a factor. Perhaps he will be playing clay just for fun? In Miami there was a balance between having fun and wanting to win, that I thought looked kinda relaxing. He had a good thing going there :)

When he is gone, there will be a big hole in tennis. He really stands out with his playing style.
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
Does this mean you think he has a legitimate chance to win Madrid or the FO? Most of us Fed fans are thinking a QF in Madrid or a second week at RG constitutes a win at his age. I like your eternal optimism!

You hard core Fed fans should have learned up to now to be way more optimist on Fed's results!

Federer's new backhand is what will make his run on the clay stretch very interesting. It's true he is getting older and that will not make him propmt to grind too much, but in these few last years his tactics and view of the game have been perfect. He knows exactly how to play anyone of the top 100 players. The Shapovalov match in Miami was enlighting the way he was managing to dominate from behind, and the way he was able to get the ball on his forehand to strike a winner. Marvelous tactis.
Knowledge of the game and most of all crowd support will make Roger go deep in tourneys on clay.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
I wouldn't say he's got no shot at Madrid. It's a little faster and more slippery than other clay tourneys. Maybe Thiem will knock out Nadal and then paint the doubles alley in the final and hand Fed a win. You never know.

And regardless, he'll only gain points and it will help him stay in a rhythm with serving and groundstrokes, etc. Barring a freak injury, he should be fine. He's not going to play enough matches to exhaust himself for grass.
 

tennis24x7

Professional
I'm not expecting much (or anything) on clay, but I don't see any serious dangers to him playing on it this year. Injury would be bad, but he could just as easily have gotten injured on a HC or by slipping on the grass.

I don't mind this decision so much anymore because his results are basically telling him to do it. In 2017 he cleaned up everywhere so skipping clay only made sense, and in 2018 he tried to use the same formula that had worked in 2017. A case of if it isn't broke don't fix it, but now he's fixing it.

Not a lot to be worried about IMO. Most of the people that wanted to see him play on clay in 2017 and 2018 just wanted to see him get beaten by Nadal, but I think Federer's slam results since AO 2018 have lowered expectations tbh. So small stuff like that hardly matters anymore.
I don't think Fed has a chance against Nadal on clay especially in the FO, may be Nads might drop either Barcelona or Madrid but not Rolland Garros.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think Fed has a chance against Nadal on clay especially in the FO, may be Nads might drop either Barcelona or Madrid but not Rolland Garros.

Sure, but that's not important to me. He won't make it to Nadal anyway in all likelihood, and if he does and he loses (because he will) that will mean he had a fantastic tournament.
 

Roddick85

Hall of Fame
I strongly doubt that him playing 2 tournaments on that surface will be that taxing on his body, if anything, it will keep the rust away. He's already got about a month to rest and recharge between Miami and Madrid which is good. Whether he performs well or not in those 2 tournaments doesn't matter at this point in his career IMO, I honestly have no expectations . If he does well and collects some extra points it's a bonus, otherwise it doesn't change much. While I agree that clay has always been Federer's weakest surface, I feel he doesn't get his dues here. Nadal's total domination of the surface for the last 15 years has created the illusion that Federer is a bad clay player which he's not. He's always had more than respectable results on clay, heck even in his "disastrous" 2013, he still made the final in Rome and the QF at the FO. Going into the clay season, the pressure will be on Djokovic & Nadal. There's no guarantee that Nadal will be 100% healthy and given Djokovic recent result in 2 of his best tournaments, I think anything could happen at this point, so I wouldn't totally write Federer off just yet.
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
I strongly doubt that him playing 2 tournaments on that surface will be that taxing on his body, if anything, it will keep the rust away. He's already got about a month to rest and recharge between Miami and Madrid which is good. Whether he performs well or not in those 2 tournaments doesn't matter at this point in his career IMO, I honestly have no expectations . If he does well and collects some extra points it's a bonus, otherwise it doesn't change much. While I agree that clay has always been Federer's weakest surface, I feel he doesn't get his dues here. Nadal's total domination of the surface for the last 15 years has created the illusion that Federer is a bad clay player which he's not. He's always had more than respectable results on clay, heck even in his "disastrous" 2013, he still made the final in Rome and the QF at the FO. Going into the clay season, the pressure will be on Djokovic & Nadal. There's no guarantee that Nadal will be 100% healthy and given Djokovic recent result in 2 of his best tournaments, I think anything could happen at this point, so I wouldn't totally write Federer off just yet.

While I generally agree with your post, I would never put those three words I highlighted in the same sentence.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
I personally would’ve preferred Federer playing the m1000 tournaments that he hasn’t won yet, with the off chance of him winning one. Obviously Fed disagrees and cares more about playing the tournament where he has the best chance of doing well.

While I generally agree with your post, I would never put those three words I highlighted in the same sentence.

Well he said he wouldn’t write Federer off
 
Let's not forget that if Djoker and Theim go out early and Nadal has a Soderling moment, then Fed is looking pretty good for the double career grand slam. You've got to be in it to win it.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Let's not forget that if Djoker and Theim go out early and Nadal has a Soderling moment, then Fed is looking pretty good for the double career grand slam. You've got to be in it to win it.
I’ve got to see clay results from many, including fedr, and then the draw before saying he’s fourth or fifth favorite. There’s a lot of guys that can up their game on the dirt that will be quite dangerous for him...Zedraffe, Fognini, Nishikori, Tsitsipas, Monfils, Tsonga, Wawrinka. I know I’m leaving a few out.
 
I’ve got to see clay results from many, including fedr, and then the draw before saying he’s fourth or fifth favorite. There’s a lot of guys that can up their game on the dirt that will be quite dangerous for him...Zedraffe, Fognini, Nishikori, Tsitsipas, Monfils, Tsonga, Wawrinka. I know I’m leaving a few out.

That's a good point
 

smoledman

G.O.A.T.
No, he loses rhythm by skipping all clay events and is hurt in the grass & US Open series. 2017 was miraculous in how he got away with skipping clay. That formula is non-repeatable.
 

3fees

G.O.A.T.
No, He said he was going to play Clay this season as too how many have not heard that yet, could be on his schedule. He is pushing to get back to 3rd place.

Cheers
3Fees :)
 

Enga

Hall of Fame
I think the breaks have lost their novelty. They dont have the same effect every year, taking time off wont help him win Wimbledon. If he injures himself, that would be something. But he hasnt seriously injured himself in the past playing on clay.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
I don't see why on Earth he wants to play Clay. He may get injured ?? He has zero chance in any event !!
HE still has one last shot at Wimbledon but that is just gravy.

I would try to break Connors record of most tourneys win or focus on the grass season.
He is too old for clay grind
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