Enceladus
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And you were right.
And yet Thiem had to turn the final from 0-2 to sets.
Strange/weird/odd/shocking things in tennis
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And yet Thiem had to turn the final from 0-2 to sets.
mike danny
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Technically, he did get a good player, but who played like a mug, so I guess I wasAnd you were right.
Enceladus
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Federer lost 3 Grand Slam matches from the lead two sets to love - on Wimbledon 2011, US Open 2011 and on Wimbledon 2018. Nadal lost 2 Grand Slam matches from the lead two sets to love - at US Open 2015 and on Australian Open 2021.
The winner of all the mentioned grandslams was Djokovic. This is a remarkable coincidence.
The winner of all the mentioned grandslams was Djokovic.
This is a remarkable coincidence. 
Djokovic2011
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Federer winning Miami twice since Djokovic last won there.
Enceladus
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The match Djoker-Karatsev from 2021 Serbia Open is in 6th place among Bo3 matches in the number of created break points:
I Am Finnish
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57 bp's is the record wtf
junior74
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I Am Finnish
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Malivai Washington winning a tour level title at Bermuda in 1996, beating opponents with the following rankings:
#312 Luke Jensen
#320 Franco Squillari
#720 Bill Behrens
#386 Mariano Zabaleta
#105 Marcelo Filippini
Other examples I can think of where players won tour level titles without beating any opponents ranked in the top 100, were Albert Costa at Bournemouth in 1996, Jan Kroslak at Shanghai in 1997, John Isner at Newport in 2017 and Steve Johnson at Newport in 2018.
Kuerten's title at Acapulco in 2001 (although he beat Mantilla, Meligeni and Canas en-route so not exactly poor opponents) and Santoro's at Newport in 2008 very nearly made the 'cut' there, with their highest ranked opponents during those runs ranked at #100.
#312 Luke Jensen
#320 Franco Squillari
#720 Bill Behrens
#386 Mariano Zabaleta
#105 Marcelo Filippini
Other examples I can think of where players won tour level titles without beating any opponents ranked in the top 100, were Albert Costa at Bournemouth in 1996, Jan Kroslak at Shanghai in 1997, John Isner at Newport in 2017 and Steve Johnson at Newport in 2018.
Kuerten's title at Acapulco in 2001 (although he beat Mantilla, Meligeni and Canas en-route so not exactly poor opponents) and Santoro's at Newport in 2008 very nearly made the 'cut' there, with their highest ranked opponents during those runs ranked at #100.
Moose Malloy
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Can add Hurkacz at Delray from this year to the list,
Thanks. I’d completely forgotten about that one with the adjusted schedule at the start of the year.
I was surprised that it hasn’t been done more often at Newport.
Washington getting to a tour level final after facing 4 consecutive opponents ranked outside the top 300 was quite something !
Dekalog12
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I don't know if it has been mentioned in the thread before, but Novak hasn't lost to right handed player with a two handed backhand (*edit - at RG) since losing to Coria in 2005 2R (Nadal has lost three since then). Since then he has lost to:
Lefty with 2 handed backhands - Nadal (2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2020), Melzer (2010)
Righty with a single hander - Kohlschreiber (2009), Federer (2011), Wawrinka (2015), Thiem (2017, 2019), Cecchinato (2018)
Lefty with 2 handed backhands - Nadal (2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2020), Melzer (2010)
Righty with a single hander - Kohlschreiber (2009), Federer (2011), Wawrinka (2015), Thiem (2017, 2019), Cecchinato (2018)
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Enceladus
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Edit: You're right.
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Red Rick
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It was specifically about Roland Garros.
Enceladus
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I missed it.
daddy
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57 bp's is the record wtf
Code word : Potito Starace.
Enceladus
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Djoker was able to show a turn from 0:2 or 1:2 to the sets (from the score with which he would lost in the Bo3 format) in all four Grand Slam tournaments on the way to the title. In total, Djoker won 6 of his Grand Slam titles in this way, he has record in this metric.
AO: Turnover from 1:2 to sets against Murray in the semifinal of 2012 and against Thiem in the final of 2020.
RG: Turnover from 0:2 to sets against Musetti in the 4th round and against Tsitsipas in the final, both in 2021.
Wimbledon: Turnover from 1:2 to sets against Cilic in the quarterfinal of 2014 and from 0:2 to sets against Anderson in the 4th round of 2015.
USO: Turnover from 0:2 on sets against Federer in the semifinal of 2011.
AO: Turnover from 1:2 to sets against Murray in the semifinal of 2012 and against Thiem in the final of 2020.
RG: Turnover from 0:2 to sets against Musetti in the 4th round and against Tsitsipas in the final, both in 2021.
Wimbledon: Turnover from 1:2 to sets against Cilic in the quarterfinal of 2014 and from 0:2 to sets against Anderson in the 4th round of 2015.
USO: Turnover from 0:2 on sets against Federer in the semifinal of 2011.
I Am Finnish
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What it tells us?
Enceladus
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That Djoker is the Earth's Mightiest Warrior.
They played 9 times at RG, 3 times at USO.
Enceladus
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All singles participants on this year's ATP Finals and WTA Finals are Europeans:
Ostapenko’s outfits.
Mainad
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Ostapenko?
joshuayuan
Professional
Spectators at Wimbledon '22 were shocked to see Nadal beckoning Sonego over and lecturing him after being broken. Spectators then jeered and whistled One of the most shocking and embarrassing thing to do for a top tennis player.
One of the most shocking and embarrassing thing to do for a top tennis player.tennis24x7
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Federer will always lose to Nadal in RG
The Blond Blur
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BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
David Ferrer and Guillermo Coria were born only 3 months apart.
PMChambers
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Borg not winning USO
LaVie en Rose
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Murray &Federer have never played match on clay.
USO no Fedal meeting either ( thanks to Delpo&Djokovic)
USO no Fedal meeting either ( thanks to Delpo&Djokovic
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MichaelNadal
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Murray &Federer have never played match on clay.
USO no Fedal meeting either ( thanks to Delpo&Djokovic
Nice, didn’t know that
LaVie en Rose
Hall of Fame
One of those odd coincidences.Nice, didn’t know that
LaVie en Rose
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Maybe @Mainad knows history(draws) that is behind coincidence of no clay matches between RF &Murray?Murray &Federer have never played match on clay.
USO no Fedal meeting either ( thanks to Delpo&Djokovic
TheFifthSet
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Fognini's hold % is as high on clay (71.7%) as HC. I have yet to find another veteran touring pro in the 2000's whose hold game #'s aren't higher on HC. He's one of those rare guys whose favourite surface is what it is not necessarily because it amplifies his strengths but rather coz it obscures his weaknesses.
Red Rick
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Partially. But I also think Fognini's game gets a bit oversimplified judging by how highly many rate his talent. He actually has a bad hold% and an average break% on HC, and his break% jumps by 7% on clay, which is more than usual - I think 4-5% is more normal. I think it kinda shows Fognini is a pure clay courter in the sense that even his pure baseline game only really works on clay.
If you wanna find another ridiculous outlier, Isner is 91.0% on clay (#1 all time) vs 91.6% on HC (#3 of all time). This might suggest he must be insane on clay, but his break% is lower on clay (9.8%)than on HC (10.4%)
Now having worse return% on clay than HC is less rare, I think it's pretty reserved for meme clay players
TheFifthSet
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Yeah I think I may have been exaggerating a bit, though with an even passable serve he'd be competitive on HC, as 23.9 rgw% is pretty decent. I still think the bigger factor is the nature of the surface not hurting his dog-water serve as much as HC does.
Good example there with Isner. His #'s are just hard to make sense of in general. He's always lumped in with Karlo for obvious reasons, but despite similar bottom-line stats their games break apart in different situations. For one thing, Karlo's service #'s don't budge vs top players, maybe only a 1% decline at most against the top 5/10 whereas Isner's drop 5-8%. That would imply Ivo does better against top players and/or is maybe mentally sturdier...but then you look at their TB records and find Karlo is bang-average while Jisner is one of the biggest TB-overperformers in history. His TB winning % is actually higher than his career W-L %, so the coasting argument doesn’t even really fly. While he’s an anemic 29-77 against the Top 10, he’s still managed to win over half of TB’s played in those matches (53 out of 105). In standard games in those very same matches, he’s 3.1x as likely to get broken (14.2%) as he is to break (4.6%). Fascinating statistical profile.
Another possibly surprising one: there's only a ~1% difference between Djoko and Nadal in career sgw on non-clay despite Djokovic possessing both the stronger serve and stronger baseline game. I think the relatively minuscule difference there is down to Nadal's third-ball forehand being more suited to compiling large hold streaks against the also-rans ('06 Wimby, '10/'13 USO), but that's just my half-baked theory.
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Red Rick
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Karlovic falling off less I think is down to s&v basically meaning he doesn't have a baseline game that falls off vs top opponents cause he just always is at the net.
Djoko vs Nadal is definitely the 3rd ball. Plus maybe some selection bias that Nadal doesn't play that much off clay when off form.
Klara Koukalova and Heather Watson both failing to register a single main draw victory at the US Open is pretty shocking.
From 2003-2015 Koukalova had a 0-12 record in main draw matches at the tournament, with an unsuccessful qualifying campaign sandwiched right in the middle of that period.
Watson has a 0-10 record in main draw matches at the tournament, and was 0-12 in main draw / qualifying matches there until last year when she came through 2 rounds in qualifying before losing to a 16 year old opponent in the final round.
From 2003-2015 Koukalova had a 0-12 record in main draw matches at the tournament, with an unsuccessful qualifying campaign sandwiched right in the middle of that period.
Watson has a 0-10 record in main draw matches at the tournament, and was 0-12 in main draw / qualifying matches there until last year when she came through 2 rounds in qualifying before losing to a 16 year old opponent in the final round.
Martin J
Hall of Fame
Kuerten reaching the 3rd round at the AO just once was very surprising as the generally slower conditions in Melbourne suited his game, particularly his long swings. That's quite interesting because he reached two QFs at the USO, including a victory over a former champion Safin in 2002, where the faster pace never really made him feel comfortable enough. But it seems that his preparation during the off-season wasn't that great.
Yes her 1-6 record in finals and 7-21 record in semi-finals (with her suffering 2 more SF losses during the past 2 weeks) is pretty shocking, given that she’s reached no. 3 in the rankings and has spent so long in the top 10 (she’s currently ranked at no. 7).
When she won her one WTA title to date at Rabat back in 2019, she was a set and a break down and 2 games away from defeat in the final, before Konta collapsed. Parma in September / October last year and Linz last week were golden opportunities for her to win a 2nd title, which she was unable to take.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
Hewitt's last grand slam title came before Agassi's and Sampras's.
LaVie en Rose
Hall of Fame
Wawrinka is true definition of outlier in tennis, became consistent top 10, 2013 aged 28 ,was there for 4 years, won his 3th career title, first on HC aged 25 before he went to win 2 HC GS.
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