String setup for a string breaker

Znak

Hall of Fame
My friend that I'm stringing for is a string breaker, usually gets anywhere 3-10 hours from his strings... Heavy top spin hitter (not a form issue). He wants something relatively arm friendly for his RF 97 — he used to do nat gut but it was getting too expensive. His 2nd last setup was Gamma TNT2 and Ytex Quadro which was done by another stringer. I figured the shaped poly must have made it tougher on the syn gut. So I tossed in YPTP 1.25 in the mains, and YTSP 1.32 in the crosses and it only lasted 4 hours... (although he said he loved the feeling of the setup)

What are his best options, going full poly? Can he stick to a hybrid but find a more durable option?

Thanks!
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Peruse the Kevlar/Zyex thread. You do not have to have the extreme tension differential for it to work. Spin wise, 10-15 lbs difference is more than enough. You definitely need to pre stretch the Zyex and not-so-much the Kevlar. TW sells this hybrid as a package. Make sure it says Kevlar and not Kevlar +, and that the cross string is the Mono Zyex.

FWIW, full poly won't help since the strings will die by hour 12 if not sooner.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Peruse the Kevlar/Zyex thread. You do not have to have the extreme tension differential for it to work. Spin wise, 10-15 lbs difference is more than enough. You definitely need to pre stretch the Zyex and not-so-much the Kevlar. TW sells this hybrid as a package. Make sure it says Kevlar and not Kevlar +, and that the cross string is the Mono Zyex.

FWIW, full poly won't help since the strings will die by hour 12 if not sooner.
Fwiw i agree though sadly Ashaway doesnt package kev/zx. They only package kev+/ zx

Its one of the most durable combos that still is spinny
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
@esgee48 @Shroud thanks for the heads up. Is Kevlar a stiff string on the arm? Or does it just sound tough haha? I'll check out that forum you mention, does it speak to stringing it as well, I think I remember someone writing it's tricky to string?

Is this the hybrid you're speaking of? http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Ashaway_Crossfire_ZX_17_String/descpageACASH-XFIREZX17.html
Yep thats a good starting point. Kevlar is stif and technically the stiffest string. However monogut is one of the softest and spinniest so it cuts the kevlar and you end up with a durable arm friendly option especially if you drop the crosses 10lbs lower and up the mains 10lbs.

Imho the zx and kevlar needs to be prestretched manually before stringing or it will lose tension really fast and then stabilize. Zx can only be strung to 60lbs maybe 65 but a trick depending on your tensions is to string the crosses 10+ lbs higher than normal knowing that it will drop significantly.

@graycrait can give advice since he doesnt prestretch it
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Ever try to herd cats? Kevlar is very tough when you try to stretch it. Try pushing it and it does not want to go thru any hole if there is any resistance. The trick is to cut a sharp point and then stiffen the leading 1-2" with Super Glue or nail polish. Let that dry and you will have something you can push thru grommets. If you don't do this, you will rue it when you get to a hole with a string blocking the exit/entrance/shared. 3¢
 

graycrait

Legend
Is Kevlar a stiff string on the arm?

It depends. I think the coated aramids that other companies make are stiff no matter how you string them. Ashaway Kevlar is different and if I had to guess it is because it is braided and not coated with some thick "plastic/poly/etc.

If you don't prestretch Ash Kev the string bed will deteriorate into something no one likes. Prestretching Ash Kev is important because it is braided and you need to get the braided nature of this kevlar to compress otherwise that extra space between filaments will cause a nasty loss of tension for the braided nature of the string.

Why bother with prestretching Ash Kev and move on to something else? Because once that Ash Kev is properly strung in the mains with Zyex crosses, you will have a decent stringbed for a long time.

I have prestretched it in the following ways:

1. String all the mains as tight as you dare in a "donor" racket and leave the racket sit for a day, having tied off with a bow tie so you can untie this and restring it in the mains of the primary raceket.

2. On my Neos 1000 I might triple pull mains to get some sort of prestretch, it works pretty well.

3. Secure one end then wrap the other end around a large dowel or racket handle and lean back and judiciously "bounce" on the string for some minutes. Probably the most common method.

4. I have a simple winch where I can secure one end then tie off the other end on the winch hook and then manually crank the winch. This is the sure fire way to prestretch Ash Kev. I used this method and then strung up a racket at 75lbs. Holy Crap! That string bed was stiff as a board and stayed that way. I had to cut it out.

Normally Ash Kev, once strung, will lose quite a bit of tension within the first hour off the stringer, then after an hour of hitting it will lose still more. But once that happens it settles in for a long time.

The last main on each side simply must have the reference tension increased by at least 10%, maybe 20% is better. If you don't you will be whining about the tension loss

If I used the 2 or 3X pulling or a simple body manual stretch then I would string Ash Kev no less than 65lbs on a 98-100" racket regardless of pattern. It will settle to a usable lower tension.

To prestretch or not prestretch Zyex? I have prestretched Zyex as far as it will stretch on my winch system and have strung a lot with no prestretch at all. It is easy to prestretch using the body bounce method. I secure one end, mark a reference point with a sharpie at my end so I can measure how much I have stretched it and then commence to lean back and bounce ("safety first - it is possible that you may fall for any number of reasons so be aware!)

Right now I quit prestretching Zyex and am using it fullbed in a number of rackets. I think Zyex fullbed in a sub 60RA racket is the BOMB at 55-60lbs depending on racket and pattern.

The maddening thing about Zyex is that it can break while stringing in the weirdest place. How to avoid Zyex breakage while stringing?

1. Inspect the grommets and tube or replace with a Fittex or replace the grommet set if you note even one grommet that is cracked/split/broke.
2. Loose knots, do not cinch them up tight by hand or with clamp. The nature of the string will keep it from unraveling.
3. Moderately pull tension, build a measured slow to medium pace.
 

Muppet

Legend
It depends. I think the coated aramids that other companies make are stiff no matter how you string them. Ashaway Kevlar is different and if I had to guess it is because it is braided and not coated with some thick "plastic/poly/etc.

If you don't prestretch Ash Kev the string bed will deteriorate into something no one likes. Prestretching Ash Kev is important because it is braided and you need to get the braided nature of this kevlar to compress otherwise that extra space between filaments will cause a nasty loss of tension for the braided nature of the string.

Why bother with prestretching Ash Kev and move on to something else? Because once that Ash Kev is properly strung in the mains with Zyex crosses, you will have a decent stringbed for a long time.

I have prestretched it in the following ways:

1. String all the mains as tight as you dare in a "donor" racket and leave the racket sit for a day, having tied off with a bow tie so you can untie this and restring it in the mains of the primary raceket.

2. On my Neos 1000 I might triple pull mains to get some sort of prestretch, it works pretty well.

3. Secure one end then wrap the other end around a large dowel or racket handle and lean back and judiciously "bounce" on the string for some minutes. Probably the most common method.

4. I have a simple winch where I can secure one end then tie off the other end on the winch hook and then manually crank the winch. This is the sure fire way to prestretch Ash Kev. I used this method and then strung up a racket at 75lbs. Holy Crap! That string bed was stiff as a board and stayed that way. I had to cut it out.

Normally Ash Kev, once strung, will lose quite a bit of tension within the first hour off the stringer, then after an hour of hitting it will lose still more. But once that happens it settles in for a long time.

The last main on each side simply must have the reference tension increased by at least 10%, maybe 20% is better. If you don't you will be whining about the tension loss

If I used the 2 or 3X pulling or a simple body manual stretch then I would string Ash Kev no less than 65lbs on a 98-100" racket regardless of pattern. It will settle to a usable lower tension.

To prestretch or not prestretch Zyex? I have prestretched Zyex as far as it will stretch on my winch system and have strung a lot with no prestretch at all. It is easy to prestretch using the body bounce method. I secure one end, mark a reference point with a sharpie at my end so I can measure how much I have stretched it and then commence to lean back and bounce ("safety first - it is possible that you may fall for any number of reasons so be aware!)

Right now I quit prestretching Zyex and am using it fullbed in a number of rackets. I think Zyex fullbed in a sub 60RA racket is the BOMB at 55-60lbs depending on racket and pattern.

The maddening thing about Zyex is that it can break while stringing in the weirdest place. How to avoid Zyex breakage while stringing?

1. Inspect the grommets and tube or replace with a Fittex or replace the grommet set if you note even one grommet that is cracked/split/broke.
2. Loose knots, do not cinch them up tight by hand or with clamp. The nature of the string will keep it from unraveling.
3. Moderately pull tension, build a measured slow to medium pace.
Ash Kev, thanks.
 

Znak

Hall of Fame
It depends. I think the coated aramids that other companies make are stiff no matter how you string them. Ashaway Kevlar is different and if I had to guess it is because it is braided and not coated with some thick "plastic/poly/etc.

If you don't prestretch Ash Kev the string bed will deteriorate into something no one likes. Prestretching Ash Kev is important because it is braided and you need to get the braided nature of this kevlar to compress otherwise that extra space between filaments will cause a nasty loss of tension for the braided nature of the string.

Why bother with prestretching Ash Kev and move on to something else? Because once that Ash Kev is properly strung in the mains with Zyex crosses, you will have a decent stringbed for a long time.

I have prestretched it in the following ways:

1. String all the mains as tight as you dare in a "donor" racket and leave the racket sit for a day, having tied off with a bow tie so you can untie this and restring it in the mains of the primary raceket.

2. On my Neos 1000 I might triple pull mains to get some sort of prestretch, it works pretty well.

3. Secure one end then wrap the other end around a large dowel or racket handle and lean back and judiciously "bounce" on the string for some minutes. Probably the most common method.

4. I have a simple winch where I can secure one end then tie off the other end on the winch hook and then manually crank the winch. This is the sure fire way to prestretch Ash Kev. I used this method and then strung up a racket at 75lbs. Holy Crap! That string bed was stiff as a board and stayed that way. I had to cut it out.

Normally Ash Kev, once strung, will lose quite a bit of tension within the first hour off the stringer, then after an hour of hitting it will lose still more. But once that happens it settles in for a long time.

The last main on each side simply must have the reference tension increased by at least 10%, maybe 20% is better. If you don't you will be whining about the tension loss

If I used the 2 or 3X pulling or a simple body manual stretch then I would string Ash Kev no less than 65lbs on a 98-100" racket regardless of pattern. It will settle to a usable lower tension.

To prestretch or not prestretch Zyex? I have prestretched Zyex as far as it will stretch on my winch system and have strung a lot with no prestretch at all. It is easy to prestretch using the body bounce method. I secure one end, mark a reference point with a sharpie at my end so I can measure how much I have stretched it and then commence to lean back and bounce ("safety first - it is possible that you may fall for any number of reasons so be aware!)

Right now I quit prestretching Zyex and am using it fullbed in a number of rackets. I think Zyex fullbed in a sub 60RA racket is the BOMB at 55-60lbs depending on racket and pattern.

The maddening thing about Zyex is that it can break while stringing in the weirdest place. How to avoid Zyex breakage while stringing?

1. Inspect the grommets and tube or replace with a Fittex or replace the grommet set if you note even one grommet that is cracked/split/broke.
2. Loose knots, do not cinch them up tight by hand or with clamp. The nature of the string will keep it from unraveling.
3. Moderately pull tension, build a measured slow to medium pace.
Fantastic breakdown. Thanks for this. Man it sounds like a whole procedure... Is it worth it? In your opinion should I charge more because of how long and delicate this setup takes?
 

graycrait

Legend
Is it worth it? I

I think it is worth it for a particular customer. One old guy I string for never bothers but once a year. He has a terrible game, poor technique and poor movement, but he only bothers me once a year. On the other hand I have a guy who played college tennis, hits the cover off the ball and I really like him. He sees me twice a year.
 
Last edited:
Top