Supplements for Athletes over 50?

[socallefty]

If you eat healthy with a balanced diet and fresh, organic ingredients, do you need to take a lot of supplements? It seems like a lot of people in the US eat a lot of processed food, fast food, unhealthy food (high sugar, refined carbs, high saturated fat) and then spend a lot on supplements when they get older. That’s not going to help much if they don’t change their diet as they will still be at risk for diabetes, cardiovascular disease etc.

 

[bobleenov1963]

take two teaspoons of Manuka honey with a glass of warm water in the morning and you will play and feel like Novak Djokovic:

 

[silentkman]

take two teaspoons of Manuka honey with a glass of warm water in the morning and you will play and feel like Novak Djokovic:

i tried it three months and it did nothing for me. The good thing is , that I love honey.

 

[mctennis]

Take this and you will play like you are 20 years old again.

4ORE ENERGY & FOCUS

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Interesting looking product. If you claim it works it would be something to look into. It does have 100 mg caffeine in it. That may be the real answer.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Interesting looking product. If you claim it works it would be something to look into.

Let us know how that works out for you. Impressive list of ingredients but without any certifications or any external reviews, I am reluctant to trust it -- even tho tempted.

 

[mctennis]

Let us know how that works out for you. Impressive list of ingredients but without any certifications or any external reviews, I am reluctant to trust it -- even tho tempted.

I definitely report back. It will be a while. I am recovering from an injury.

 

[Dartagnan64]

If you eat healthy with a balanced diet and fresh, organic ingredients, do you need to take a lot of supplements? It seems like a lot of people in the US eat a lot of processed food, fast food, unhealthy food (high sugar, refined carbs, high saturated fat) and then spend a lot on supplements when they get older. That’s not going to help much if they don’t change their diet as they will still be at risk for diabetes, cardiovascular disease etc.

Never eat anything your great-grandmother wouldn't recognize as food.

 

[Rubens]

Pyridoxine (vitamin B6), biotin (vitamin B7) and cobalamin (vitamin B12). You can get all three in this combo:

TripleB. Get it?

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Never eat anything your great-grandmother wouldn't recognize as food.

My grandmother thought that cow stomach lining (tripe) was food. No thanks.

 

[bobleenov1963]

My grandmother thought that cow stomach lining (tripe) was food. No thanks.

you should’ve listened to her. Cow stomach is very good. Vietnamese noodle soup had tripe in it. Good stuff.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

you should’ve listened to her. Cow stomach is very good. Vietnamese noodle soup had tripe in it. Good stuff.

Tried tripe once (at grandma's house). Absolutely hated it. And, would only order non-meat phở. I also hated the cuts of meat used in most phở.

The only chicken or turkey I eat is white / breast meat. Not a fan of the dark meat (too much fat and connective tissue).

 

[Harry_Wild]

Testosterone supplements. Was looking at buying a bottle and look at a monthly supply after the free bottle which is a limited quantity bottle. A full bottle cost $60 - 90 pills. You take 3 a day so you would have a months supply. Supposedly, it has bad side effects but love Frank Thomas Nugenix commercials. He makes plenty on endorsing Nugenix. Still, it very appealing for guys and Frank Thomas now is a sex symbol for the ladies! LOL!

 

[Connorsfan]

Testosterone cypionate

 

[bobleenov1963]

Testosterone supplements. Was looking at buying a bottle and look at a monthly supply after the free bottle which is a limited quantity bottle. A full bottle cost $60 - 90 pills. You take 3 a day so you would have a months supply. Supposedly, it has bad side effects but love Frank Thomas Nugenix commercials. He makes plenty on endorsing Nugenix. Still, it very appealing for guys and Frank Thomas now is a sex symbol for the ladies! LOL!

Nugenix is so fake. What you need is wild bengal tiger kidney or Rhino horn. That will improve your energy tremendously. Those are not cheap.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

@Connorsfan

Testosterone supplements. Was looking at buying a bottle and look at a monthly supply after the free bottle which is a limited quantity bottle. A full bottle cost $60 - 90 pills. You take 3 a day so you would have a months supply. Supposedly, it has bad side effects but love Frank Thomas Nugenix commercials. He makes plenty on endorsing Nugenix. Still, it very appealing for guys and Frank Thomas now is a sex symbol for the ladies! LOL!

You might be better off taking Pregnenolone, preferably in a sublingual form. (Or, possibly sublingual DHEA). Preg, DHEA, testosterone & other hormones are not normally meant to be delivered through the digestive system. Often, very little of these hormones will survive stomach acids / the digestive tract -- unless some special delivery system is employed.

These hormones are all derived from cholesterol in our body. Our levels of these hormones typically peak in our mid / late 20s. So those under 40 or 50 should probably not be taking very much of any of these -- unless instructed to do so by a medical expert.

Preg provides other benefits to the body besides producing testosterone. Preg is reported to have a positive effect on cognitive function. It can also, possibly, reduce pain in the joints & lower back.

It is usually advised not to take Preg with a testosterone supplement since the combination might produce excessively high levels of T in the body. Note that DHEA is often referred to as the "mother" steroidal hormone. Preg is the grandmother (or master) hormone....

Cholesterol --> Pregnenolone --> DHEA --> other hormones (including testosterone).

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

@Harry_Wild
Probably a good idea to take periodic "vacations" from your testosterone supplement. And alternate it, or replace it, with a sublingual Pregnenolone supplement.

I recall that, back in the 90s, there was a couple of online outfits that would test your DHEA-S saliva levels. Not a bad idea to test T levels, DHEA levels or Preg levels (if possible) to make sure that you are deriving some improvements in your hormone levels without overdoing it. You should probably aim for something less than optimal levels for a 25-year-old. Those high levels in someone who is 50+ might have some unwanted a side effects.

 

[Harry_Wild]

You might be better off taking Pregnenolone, preferably in a sublingual form

Thanks! I will looking into taking Pregnenolone supplements!

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Thanks! I will looking into taking Pregnenolone supplements!

Preg has also been used for fatigue, increasing energy and a possible agent to slow down the onset or effects of Alzheimer's Disease. But be very wary of exaggerated claims online for supplementation with this natural hormone.

Note that Preg was synthesized back in the 1930s and was marketed & prescribed as a medication in the 40s & 50s (thru the early 60s?). Because it is a natural, endogenous substance it probably could not be patented. Pharma companies, no doubt, found alternatives that they could patent and make more money with.

Pregnenolone: Health Benefits, Side Effects, Uses, Dose & Precautions

Learn more about Pregnenolone health benefits, uses, side effects, effectiveness, safety, precautions, and warnings

www.rxlist.com

 

[Connorsfan]

@Connorsfan

You might be better off taking Pregnenolone, preferably in a sublingual form. (Or, possibly sublingual DHEA). Preg, DHEA, testosterone & other hormones are not normally meant to be delivered through the digestive system. Often, very little of these hormones will survive stomach acids / the digestive tract -- unless some special delivery system is employed.

These hormones are all derived from cholesterol in our body. Our levels of these hormones typically peak in our mid / late 20s. So those under 40 or 50 should probably not be taking very much of any of these -- unless instructed to do so by a medical expert.

Preg provides other benefits to the body besides producing testosterone. Preg is reported to have a positive effect on cognitive function. It can also, possibly, reduce pain in the joints & lower back.

It is usually advised not to take Preg with a testosterone supplement since the combination might produce excessively high levels of T in the body. Note that DHEA is often referred to as the "mother" steroidal hormone. Preg is the grandmother (or master) hormone....

Cholesterol --> Pregnenolone --> DHEA --> other hormones (including testosterone).

Testosterone works great when it’s injected in your butt cheek. No GI tract interference, doesn’t need to be methylated at the C2 carbon to get past the hepatic system, II RC. Now, dianabol is a “supplement” that works nicely in an oral form. It was one of the Austrian Oaks favorites.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Testosterone works great when it’s injected in your butt cheek. No GI tract interference...

No thanks.

... Now, dianabol is a “supplement” that works nicely in an oral form. It was one of the Austrian Oaks favorites.

Again, no thanks. Much prefer to stick with a sublingual steroidal hormone rather than messing with (AAS) anabolic steroids. Not too crazy about the prospect of liver damage, seborrhea, acne, scalp balding, anger control issues, mood swings and gynecomastia.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Thanks! I will looking into taking Pregnenolone supplements!

If possible, try to find products that are GMP, NSF, or USP certified. Alternately, you might try an accredited compounding pharmacy.

As mentioned, much of the Pregnenolone should convert to DHEA and downstream hormones, like testosterone. I would suggest getting a baseline of your DHEA-S level. This can be done with a blood test or a saliva test. After 3-6 months of supplementation, test your level again to make sure that your body is assimilating / converting Preg to DHEA. (You might have your testosterone level also tested if you are curious).

I strongly advise that you do not attempt to increase your DHEA-S (and testo) level to those of a 25-year old. Attempting to increase to levels that are too high might result in unwanted imbalances in the body and could have dire detrimental health effects.

In addition to sublinguals, you might want to consider topical creams or lotions. There are a number of topical DHEA and Pregnenolone products on the market. If possible, find one with a liposome delivery system. You can also improve absorption & assimilation of these topicals by using them in conjunction with DMSO (high-grade) or emu oil.

DMSO may irritate some areas of your skin. Use with an aloe vera gel or vitamin E cream to minimize irritation or itchiness. Do not buy DMSO from a hardware store. Those are solvent-grade products that contain potentially dangerous impurities.

 

[Harry_Wild]

A little to much info here! I have to not do more research before ordering Pregnenolone now.

 

[Waves]

Of course everyone here knows this but it bears repeating. B12 is made by bacteria on plants, not animals. You can eat less clean vegetables or take a bit extra in pill form. No need to ingest the muscle, organs or body fluids of animals to get it/be in optimal health, athlete or not. Just a whole food, well rounded plant based diet is adequate, despite any biases or narratives that you need to rationalize your choices.

If you are deficient in something, or have a disease, fair enough, take some extra briefly, but adjustments in your diet will suffice in the long run. No good data to suggest otherwise. There is no free lunch, choices have consequences. Having extra body fat does you no good other than providing some insulation.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

A little to much info here! I have to not do more research before ordering Pregnenolone now.

You'll probably have to do some homework on this since information given for products is not always simple or straightforward. Also, if you buy or do more research, play close attention to the spelling because a couple other substances have very similar spellings.

Correct hormone:
Pregnenolone

Not these:
Pregnanolone
Pregneninolone

In general, whatever possible, when purchasing supplements, it's a good idea to select a product that has one or more of the 3 certifications that I mentioned in my previous text.

That said, it might be difficult to locate a sublingual or transdermal Pregnenolone product with one of these certification logos listed on their bottles. However, I've noticed that sometimes the certifications are listed or mentioned on the box, on the accompanying printed doc (often in very tiny print) or on their official website.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

A little to much info here! I have to not do more research before ordering Pregnenolone now.

I'm sure you want this to be simple but, sorry, it just ain't. You might want to consider taking a combination of DHEA and Pregnenolone supplements and ointments (as separate products). There are also some products out there that combine DHEA & Preg for you.

I had been taking a sublingual pregnenolone product from Source Naturals (SN) more than a decade ago (I had started using this product back in the 1990s). It was a tablet / lozenge that was supposed to be dissolved under your tongue. However, in looking for this product more recently, I cannot find any Preg from SN that is labeled as sublingual. This is what the current SN product looks like now

Source Naturals Pregnenolone

Pregnenolone is the starting point from which all steroid hormones are manufactured in our bodies. Its conversion in the body follows different pathways, depending on individual needs. Several clinical studies have demonstrated that pregnenolone may enhance psychomotor performance and decrease...

www.sourcenaturals.com

From that link:
Have your blood hormone (estrogen, testosterone, DHEA) levels regularly assessed by your physician. Using Pregnenolone may elevate your DHEA levels, and DHEA can increase estrogen and testosterone levels.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

@Harry_Wild @Connorsfan

I had first started taking DHEA in my mid 40s (back in the 1990s). Shortly after I started this supplementation, I had taken a (mail-in) saliva test to determine my DHEA-S level. As expected, it was on the low side, given my age at the time. After taking DHEA for 6 months, I performed the saliva test again (from the very same outfit). But, to my dismay, my DHEA-S level was still low and was, in fact, slightly lower than it had been 6 month previously -- despite the 6 months of supplementation.

I contacted the outfit that did the testing to see if there might be something wrong with their test results. They provided some very useful feedback. They indicated that this was a very common experience -- since very little (if any) of most oral hormone supplements on the market, like DHEA (& testo products), survive the digestive system for most individuals -- not at all unusual since the digestive system is not the normal hormone pathway our body utilizes.

They had suggested looking for sublingual products and transdermal (topical) products. They also suggested trying Pregnenolone in addition to DHEA. I found a few such products and decided to use both a sublingual and a transdermal cream (with DMSO).

I was using very high levels of DHEA and Preg. When I retested some 4 months or so later, I discovered that my DHEA-S level had gone thru the roof -- my level was significantly higher than the normal range --even for individuals who were 20 years younger than I was at the time.

A clear signal that I was taking too much DHEA / Preg. I had also noticed that I had developed some acne periodically with this elevated level. And, in addition, I heard some noticed that my mood / behavior was somewhat more on the aggressive side -- but not really out of control (yet). These were probably both signs that my T levels had also increased. So, at that point, I decided to back off on the amount of supplementation I was using.

In the late 1990s, Mark McGwire had broken the long-standing seasonal home run record with a phenomenal 70 HRs. It was well known that one of the testosterone supps that MM was using, to enhance his athletic performance, was Androstenedione.

This Andro product was not a banned substance at the time and was readily available OTC. I found a sublingual Andro product and decided to try it for a while. However, after a few weeks of using this supplement, I was dealing with frequent acne outbreaks. But worse, my behavior had gone from aggressive to very aggressive (extremely confrontational & prone to anger). I decided I did not like this behavioral side effect at all -- even tho the substance had been producing a positive effect on athletic performance. At that point, I stopped taking the Andro product and went back to supplementing with DHEA & Preg.

 

[antony]

I take centrum silver for men 50+
im 28 but I feel great with them

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

I take centrum silver for men 50+
im 28 but I feel great with them

From what I've read, Centrum Silver Men contains no silver! (That was a weak attempt at humor).

But it does contain fairly high levels of vitamin C and the B vitamins -- B1, B2, B3 (niacin), B6, B9 (folic acid) & B12. Also, decent levels of Zinc, Lutein, vitamins A, D, E, K and some minerals & some other nutrients. Altho', unless you're getting a LOT of midday sun exposure, you probably need more vit D (especially in Fall & Winter months)

But, as with most multivitamins, it likely does not a contain a full spectrum for constituents of vitamin A (all carotenes & carotenoids), vitamin E (tocopherols, etc) or bioflavonoids for vitamin C absorption. Multis will usually also lack fiber and various other substances that will promote assimilation of vitamins and minerals. Hopefully, you will be getting all of these from real food.

Centrum Silver Men also lacks iron (Fe) and is low in calcium (Ca). The low Ca surprises me cuz I assumed that older males needed more, not less. The omission of Fe is understandable since males typically need much less iron than females. Unless you have a iron deficiency, due to some health condition, you will probably get more than enough Fe needs from your diet.

 

[sureshs]

From what I've read, Centrum Silver Men contains no silver! (That ws a weak at that humor). But it does contain fairly high levels of vitamin C and the B vitamins -- B1, B2, B3 (niacin), B6, B9 (folic acid) & B12. Also, decent levels of Zinc, Lutein, vitamins A, D, E, K and some minerals & some other nutrients. Altho', unless you're getting a LOT of midday sun exposure, you probably need more vit D (especially in Fall & Winter months)

But, as with most multivitamins, it likely does not a contain a full spectrum for constituents of vitamin A (all carotenes & carotenoids), vitamin E (tocopherols, etc) or bioflavonoids for vitamin C absorption. Multis will usually also lack fiber and various other substances that will promote assimilation of vitamins and minerals. Hopefully, you will be getting all of these from real food.

Centrum Silver Men also lacks iron (Fe) and is low in calcium (Ca). The low Ca surprises me cuz I assumed that older males needed more, not less. The omission of Fe is understandable since males typically need much less iron than females. Unless you have a iron deficiency, due to some health condition, you will probably get more than enough Fe needs from your diet.

The iron used to be there. It has now been taken out by most labels for the over-50 versions. I think FDA does not recommend extra iron unless it is medically required.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

The iron used to be there. It has now been taken out by most labels for the over-50 versions. I think FDA does not recommend extra iron unless it is medically required.

Iron overload can be an issue for many males. Especially, older males? While an iron deficiency (anemia) can sometimes be a serious problem, there has also been some concern that too much Fe can be an issue for many.

"Concern has been expressed about potential adverse effects of moderately elevated iron stores in middle-aged and older people in that they may be associated with increased risk of several chronic diseases, such as heart disease, cancer and type 2 diabetes mellitus."

Iron status in the elderly

 

[onehandbh]

you should’ve listened to her. Cow stomach is very good. Vietnamese noodle soup had tripe in it. Good stuff.

Pho Real!

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

@Fintft @mctennis @Rafa.the.Magnificent

... The more people look at fish oil/omega-3 data, the less impressive that whole story seems.

Have any of you seen anything definitive on this? I've only recently started looking at this. From what I've seen, fish high in omega-3 fatty acids can provide greater benefits than fish oil or other omega-3 supplements. Little convincing evidence that omega-3 supplements will prevent heart attacks or strokes. It appears that the studies I've seen referenced on this are dealing with omega-3 benefits with regards to heart disease risk factors.

Pick the Right Supplements and Vitamins

Should you take supplements? Can they do you more harm than good? Learn if you need them and how to pick the right ones for you.

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Have not yet seen such studies with regards to other omega-3 benefits. Fish oil / omega-3 supplements may very well be beneficial for other health concerns. They may still be important for helping to regulate inflammation in the body. It has been said that the average North American diet is significantly pro-inflammatory. The ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 intake is much too high -- something like 15:1 to 20:1 where is should be much closer to a 1:1 ratio.

Fish oil / omega-3 supplements may help prevent and treat depression and anxiety. EPA is believed to be more effective than DHA or ALA. DHA is supposed to be more important for vision / eye health.

Omega-3 supplements might promote brain health. They might reduce the risk of ADHD, autism and cerebral palsy. It might help with communication skills -- especially with youngsters

Studies suggest that Omega-3 supplements can help reduce the frequency of mood swings and various other mental disorders. They might be beneficial to delay the onset of dementia / Alzheimer's.

Fish oil / Omega-3 supplements may also help to treat arthritis. They may improve bone strength and joint health

 

[Fintft]

@Fintft @mctennis @Rafa.the.Magnificent

Have any of you seen anything definitive on this? I've only recently started looking at this. From what I've seen, fish high in omega-3 fatty acids can provide greater benefits than fish oil or other omega-3 supplements. Little convincing evidence that omega-3 supplements will prevent heart attacks or strokes. It appears that the studies I've seen referenced on this are dealing with omega-3 benefits with regards to heart disease risk factors.

Pick the Right Supplements and Vitamins

Should you take supplements? Can they do you more harm than good? Learn if you need them and how to pick the right ones for you.

www.webmd.com

Have not yet seen such studies with regards to other omega-3 benefits. Fish oil / omega-3 supplements may very well be beneficial for other health concerns. They may still be important for helping to regulate inflammation in the body. It has been said that the average North American diet is significantly pro-inflammatory. The ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 intake is much too high -- something like 15:1 to 20:1 where is should be much closer to a 1:1 ratio.

Fish oil / omega-3 supplements may help prevent and treat depression and anxiety. EPA is believed to be more effective than DHA or ALA. DHA is supposed to be more important for vision / eye health.

Omega-3 supplements might promote brain health. They might reduce the risk of ADHD, autism and cerebral palsy. It might help with communication skills -- especially with youngsters

Studies suggest that Omega-3 supplements can help reduce the frequency of mood swings and various other mental disorders. They might be beneficial to delay the onset of dementia / Alzheimer's.

Fish oil / Omega-3 supplements may also help to treat arthritis. They may improve bone strength and joint health

Yay for fish oil / omega-3 supplements!
For many years I've eaten a can of sardines at breakfast, now I'm into smoked somon. And fish whenever possible. Also taking omega 3, D1, glucosamine, tumeric, the occasional collagene.

 

[guanzishou]

Seafood paella, herbs and spices, vegetables, fruits, nuts, red wine, dark chocolate, dandelion root tea.

 

[Rafa.the.Magnificent]

@Fintft @mctennis @Rafa.the.Magnificent

Have any of you seen anything definitive on this? I've only recently started looking at this. From what I've seen, fish high in omega-3 fatty acids can provide greater benefits than fish oil or other omega-3 supplements. Little convincing evidence that omega-3 supplements will prevent heart attacks or strokes. It appears that the studies I've seen referenced on this are dealing with omega-3 benefits with regards to heart disease risk factors.

Pick the Right Supplements and Vitamins

Should you take supplements? Can they do you more harm than good? Learn if you need them and how to pick the right ones for you.

www.webmd.com

Have not yet seen such studies with regards to other omega-3 benefits. Fish oil / omega-3 supplements may very well be beneficial for other health concerns. They may still be important for helping to regulate inflammation in the body. It has been said that the average North American diet is significantly pro-inflammatory. The ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 intake is much too high -- something like 15:1 to 20:1 where is should be much closer to a 1:1 ratio.

Fish oil / omega-3 supplements may help prevent and treat depression and anxiety. EPA is believed to be more effective than DHA or ALA. DHA is supposed to be more important for vision / eye health.

Omega-3 supplements might promote brain health. They might reduce the risk of ADHD, autism and cerebral palsy. It might help with communication skills -- especially with youngsters

Studies suggest that Omega-3 supplements can help reduce the frequency of mood swings and various other mental disorders. They might be beneficial to delay the onset of dementia / Alzheimer's.

Fish oil / Omega-3 supplements may also help to treat arthritis. They may improve bone strength and joint health

I do take fish oil supplements but no longer every day, having been asked a few times now if I take blood thinners, which I don’t. So I take one maybe every two or three days. Don’t actually know if it does anything for me at all.

 

[cks]

What are the most three most important supplements for athletes (or those of us who claim to be athletes) over 50?

Not sure. I find it difficult to weed through all of the bad health/diet/fitness information and products that get peddled, especially anything dealing with losing weight.

It depends on what your body lacks. After 50, you might need more magnesium, probiotics, Vitamin D, and many other substances. You need to talk to your doctor about it and run some bloodwork to find out what you actually lack.

I'm over 50. My doctor recommends that I take Vitamin D, after reviewing my blood work results. So Vitamin D is the only "supplement" I take on a daily basis. I occasionally take ibuprofen for pain.

 

[AlienBug]

I do a men’s 50+ multi, magnesium and and omega 3. I also add flaxseed oil to things like eggs and salads.

 

[onehandbh]

HGH seems to be quite popular these days. Anf not just for the 50+ crowd.

A lot of guys seem to take it to get leaner and more muscular.

I would be aftaid of it making some of the more nefarious things grow like cancer cells, etc.

 

[Mike Bulgakov]

HGH seems to be quite popular these days. Anf not just for the 50+ crowd.

A lot of guys seem to take it to get leaner and more muscular.

I would be aftaid of it making some of the more nefarious things grow like cancer cells, etc.

It's very popular with actors (male & female) and others in the film industry who believe it helps fight the aging process. I personally suspect, with no evidence and specific individuals in mind, that the use of HGH is one reason so many athletes are having longer careers.

I remember hearing that Barry Bonds didn't reach the full benefit of PEDs until he supplemented the steroids with HGH. It can repair tissue and some athletes have said it helps with vision. It has the additional advantage of requiring blood tests to detect, and many sports just require urine tests.

Vial of Youth? Hollywood’s Burgeoning Addiction to Human Growth Hormone | Vanity Fair

The open secret to looking like a superhero: Steroids and performance-enhancing drugs - Vox

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

@Mike Bulgakov

HGH seems to be quite popular these days. Anf not just for the 50+ crowd.

A lot of guys seem to take it to get leaner and more muscular.

I would be aftaid of it making some of the more nefarious things grow like cancer cells, etc.

One alternative to hGH injections is the use of certain amino acids that will encourage the release of natural hGH in the body during exercise and during the first cycle of sleep. These include L-Citrulline and L-Arginine. Best to ingest these on an empty stomach prior to exercise and right before going to bed at night.

A more hardcore alternative to hGH is the injection of growth hormone secretagogues to release hGH in the body. I do not know if there are suitable oral versions of these. Two popular hGH secretagogues include Sermorelin and Tesamorelin. I've not used any of these but have used the amino acids mentioned above.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/rco2.9

 

[Mike Bulgakov]

@Mike Bulgakov
One alternative to hGH injections is the use of certain amino acids that will encourage the release of natural hGH in the body during exercise and during the first cycle of sleep. These include L-Citrulline and L-Arginine. Best to ingest these on an empty stomach prior to exercise and right before going to bed at night.

A more hardcore alternative to hGH is the injection of growth hormone secretagogues to release hGH in the body. I do not know if there are suitable oral versions of these. Two popular hGH secretagogues include Sermorelin and Tesamorelin. I've not used any of these but have used the amino acids mentioned above.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/rco2.9

HGH has many risks.

HGH (Human Growth Hormone): Uses and Side Effects

Excerpt:
HGH Side Effects and Other Hazards
Possible side effects of HGH use include:

• Nerve, muscle, or joint pain
• Swelling due to fluid in the body's tissues (edema)
• Carpal tunnel syndrome
• Numbness and tingling of the skin
• High cholesterol levels

HGH can also increase the risk of diabetes and contribute to the growth of cancerous tumors.
Furthermore, if you get the drug illicitly, you may not know what you are really getting. Because of the high cost, HGH drugs have been counterfeited. If you are not getting HGH from your doctor, you may be getting an unapproved product.
You should speak with your doctor before considering any form of HGH.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/growth-hormone-athletic-performance-and-aging

For me, the best answer to staying healthy is simply diet and exercise, not searching for any elixir.

Diets from certain countries could help you live longer | CNN

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[socallefty]

I remember hearing that Barry Bonds didn't reach the full benefit of PEDs until he supplemented the steroids with HGH.

If I want my head to grow three hat sizes, I’ll do what Bonds did

Barry Bonds' Before and After Photos Tell His Entire Story

Barry Bonds changed Major League Baseball. When the Arizona State University product became the sixth overall pick of the 1985 MLB Draft, it took just 115 minor league games before Bonds arrived in The Show. But after 22 seasons, 14 All-Star selections, 12 Silver Sluggers, seven National League...

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[Mike Bulgakov]

If I want my head to grow three hat sizes, I’ll do what Bonds did

Barry Bonds' Before and After Photos Tell His Entire Story

Barry Bonds changed Major League Baseball. When the Arizona State University product became the sixth overall pick of the 1985 MLB Draft, it took just 115 minor league games before Bonds arrived in The Show. But after 22 seasons, 14 All-Star selections, 12 Silver Sluggers, seven National League...

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It's actually the HGH, not steroids, that is thought to be the reason for Barry's increased hat size. I'm a Giants fan and remember their longtime equipment, Mike Murphy, had to testify in the BALCO hearings and said Bonds' hat size went from 7 1/4 to 7 3/8.. Murphy had been with the team since the 1960s and looked at the players as family. He was friendly with Barry's dad, Bobby, and Barry's godfather, Willie Mays, who is still close to the Giants organization. Willie was at the last Giants game I went to about a month ago. Murphy knew Barry since he was a kid and liked him, so he didn't like being put in the position of having to reveal personal information. Barry learned from his dad not to trust the press (or pretty much anyone outside his circle), so he was rude and kept them at a distance, which hasn't helped him in the Hall of Fame voting.

My understanding is that HGH can repair and strengthen tendons and ligaments, which are put under increased strain by the unnatural muscle mass that steroids and hard gym work can produce. Barry initially just used steroids and was having tendon and ligament injuries, and was told he needed to add HGH to the mix. HGH is also said to sometimes lead to changes in the jaw affecting teeth, requiring braces to prevent gaps.

 

[BlueB]

Scotch.

 

[onehandbh]

It's actually the HGH, not steroids, that is thought to be the reason for Barry's increased hat size. I'm a Giants fan and remember their longtime equipment, Mike Murphy, had to testify in the BALCO hearings and said Bonds' hat size went from 7 1/4 to 7 3/8..

If any of you want to dress as Hello Kitty next Halloween, HGH might be the way to go.