WTF 2010 Final: Rafael Nadal (1) vs Roger Federer (2)

Who wins?


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seffina

G.O.A.T.
Congratulations to Roger! Well, well deserved. He was great all week. Served well, returned well, was aggressive. Hope he keeps up this form at the Australian Open.

A good effort by Rafa here. Glad he made it to the final this year. Good luck to him next season as well.

Hope you all have a wonderful holiday season. Can't wait for 2011.
 

Gaudio2004

Semi-Pro
I beg your pardon? The last time I checked, Nadal didn't have one of the greatest seasons ever in 2006/2007 and was not the best player in the world. Maybe YOU should get your facts straight. Back then, Fed was near his peak and Nadal was getting better and better, so it was somewhat expected back then for Fed to triumph, but considering how in-form and dominate Nadal is today and how little success Fed has had this year compared to previous years, very few should have expected this result. Even the commentators were saying Nadal was going to win after he took the 2nd set due to Fed's mental fragility against Nadal in close matches.
2006, the year Nadal beat Federer at clay (at least twice, I think) and also the year Nadal beat Federer on a hard-court, my facts are straight, trying to create a petty little argument is going to end in disaster.

You say "I'm a big fan of Roger as anyone", yet you were doubting the chances of him beating a player that Federer is vastly superior to on a hard-court, further more, after comfortably beating Djokovic and Murray, who are both more aggressive and better on a hard-court than Nadal, it should have clicked it in that Federer was playing very well, especially his performance against Djokovic; did you by any chance, watch the match?


Did you watch Nadal's 3+ hour match against Murray yesterday? How could anyone believe Federer wouldn't smoothly dispatch of Nadal if his game was on?

Have some more faith in a player if you're supposedly a "big fan" of his, otherwise it just makes you look vain and frankly, stupid, it's as if you're surprised at Federer, who is arguably one of the greatest hard-court players, at beating Nadal.

One final point, commentators say a lot of things, it doesn't mean they are correct. Using that point does nothing, so for advice for further discussions: completely avoid using it. It does nothing.
 

Blinkism

Legend
This feels like the end of 2008, except with Fed winning the WTF instead of USO - but generally the same feeling going into the AO where you could say Fed's the favorite because he's back in good HC form..

Ofcourse, don't count out the USO champion.
 

namelessone

Legend
Now Federer will be considered the favourite for AO, no?
Rafa will like this. :p
Rafa needs to enjoy his holiday and work on that BH after. My god it's incredible how many mistakes he can make with it. Maybe learn a flatter fh while he is at it, no?

Another thing is coming to the net a bit more. Often Rafa,as many guys from his generation, hits a great shot in the corner, has the guy on a string and doesn't come in. This he should fix.
 

namelessone

Legend
True but I hope people realise that if Roger struggles against Nadal on the bh side it's not because the stroke by itself is as weak as people make it out to be but because of the spin and height of the ball.It's very hard to get around that.I recall Sampras talking about this particular problem as well.Even Laver I think has spoken about this re: his matches against..Borg I believe.(correct me if I'm wrong though)
That's basically what I was saying. Here, Nadal's spin is pretty much negated and the ball sits up most of the time. Roddick and Murray were having a field day with it at times, even Djoker before he had his problem.

I'd like to see Fed on a court that bounces high to see if he can hang with Nadal's fh. He has shown signs of this in AO 2009 final but most of the time his bh breaks down when he has to hit 90% of the time above shoulder level.
 

Netspirit

Hall of Fame
most of the time his bh breaks down when he has to hit 90% of the time above shoulder level.
I don't know anyone's 1HBH that doesn't break on Nadal's moonballs on higher-bouncing surfaces. This is just anatomically impossible because of the human shoulder blade, much like trying to bend your knees backwards. Even Gasquet has to camp miles behind the baseline.
 
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mandy01

G.O.A.T.
That's basically what I was saying. Here, Nadal's spin is pretty much negated and the ball sits up most of the time. Roddick and Murray were having a field day with it at times, even Djoker before he had his problem.

I'd like to see Fed on a court that bounces high to see if he can hang with Nadal's fh. He has shown signs of this in AO 2009 final but most of the time his bh breaks down when he has to hit 90% of the time above shoulder level.
I think he showed it in Madrid 09 as well :)
 

Love Game

Talk Tennis Guru
This feels like the end of 2008, except with Fed winning the WTF instead of USO - but generally the same feeling going into the AO where you could say Fed's the favorite because he's back in good HC form..

Ofcourse, don't count out the USO champion.
biggest difference this year's WTF compared to 2009: No Del Potro! :eek:

 

The-Champ

Legend
Thanks!

I love suspense, and I love rivalries. I also think no one player should be winning everything, whether that be Roger, Rafa, or anyone else. The sport needs that unpredictability, to keep the interest. A champion is only as good as the challengers he or she faces.

And yes, it was a dream year for tennis fans overall. Back to back years we have seen a career slam, first Roger and then Rafa. This is great for the sport, but we need to keep parity and some of the other players need to step up and keep things fresh and interesting!

Everyone knows I'm a Nadal fan, but I would love to see another player lift at least one of the major trophies next year. In 2009, it was really nice to see Del Potro doing superbly at the USO.


To the Rafa and Fed supporters: These 2 guys have won too much now that its almost boring seeing them contend for the major titles every freakin' time. Let's all support Murray next year!

Gooooooooooooo Murray!! Win wimbledon next year, and I hope you beat both Nads and Feds in the process!!
 

boojay

Hall of Fame
2006, the year Nadal beat Federer at clay (at least twice, I think) and also the year Nadal beat Federer on a hard-court, my facts are straight, trying to create a petty little argument is going to end in disaster.

You say "I'm a big fan of Roger as anyone", yet you were doubting the chances of him beating a player that Federer is vastly superior to on a hard-court, further more, after comfortably beating Djokovic and Murray, who are both more aggressive and better on a hard-court than Nadal, it should have clicked it in that Federer was playing very well, especially his performance against Djokovic; did you by any chance, watch the match?


Did you watch Nadal's 3+ hour match against Murray yesterday? How could anyone believe Federer wouldn't smoothly dispatch of Nadal if his game was on?

Have some more faith in a player if you're supposedly a "big fan" of his, otherwise it just makes you look vain and frankly, stupid, it's as if you're surprised at Federer, who is arguably one of the greatest hard-court players, at beating Nadal.

One final point, commentators say a lot of things, it doesn't mean they are correct. Using that point does nothing, so for advice for further discussions: completely avoid using it. It does nothing.
Again, instead of me apparently "looking" vain and stupid, you ARE just plain stupid. This isn't an argument. You are just pulling nonsense out of your @$$ now. Being a fan of Fed doesn't mean I expect him to destroy everyone he plays. Obviously you don't follow tennis nor play very much or at least not at any respectable level if you believe that's what being a fan means. There doesn't seem to be any point in countering your points because you obvious have none. I feel sorry for you and your pathetic arguments...and I use that term loosely.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Thanks!

I love suspense, and I love rivalries. I also think no one player should be winning everything, whether that be Roger, Rafa, or anyone else. The sport needs that unpredictability, to keep the interest. A champion is only as good as the challengers he or she faces.

And yes, it was a dream year for tennis fans overall. Back to back years we have seen a career slam, first Roger and then Rafa. This is great for the sport, but we need to keep parity and some of the other players need to step up and keep things fresh and interesting!
Yep. I think both of them should lose at pivotal times to keep their hunger fresh. If you win everything there's no need to improve, and life is about improving, so I'm actually happy (as happy as a Nadal fan can be) Fed won, because those two are heads above everyone else and I don't want to know the outcome before the first ball is struck.

Rafa did better than I expected after taking so much time off, and conversely, Fed did better than I expected playing so much in a couple of weeks. But, in the end they were still the last two standing and one of them had to lose. So...that's it. End of story.
 

namelessone

Legend
Everyone knows I'm a Nadal fan, but I would love to see another player lift at least one of the major trophies next year. In 2009, it was really nice to see Del Potro doing superbly at the USO.


To the Rafa and Fed supporters: These 2 guys have won too much now that its almost boring seeing them contend for the major titles every freakin' time. Let's all support Murray next year!

Gooooooooooooo Murray!! Win wimbledon next year, and I hope you beat both Nads and Feds in the process!!
My feelings exactly.

I am a big Rafa fan, I started watching tennis in the late 90's(Agassi fan) but it's been like Fedal only since 2005. We are entering 2011 people, we need new blood.

Both guys have career slam, they have won basically everything(Nadal lacks WTF, Fed DC/Olympic Gold) in tennis and I like them both but it's hard to get excited when he have ANOTHER title that goes to either Fed or Nadal. It kinda seems like overkill.

What I want in 2011 is for Rafa to keep his clay streak. If he can win elsewhere it's all good, if not at least to be in good health.
 

Sartorius

Hall of Fame
What a match from Federer, came with a plan and executed it. His BH held up well but I was more impressed with his forehand. And that slice serve out wide... Best shot of the tournament I'd say.

While I think Nadal can play better than this, he didn't play bad at all and I don't think fatigue was a factor. The only thing you can refer from this match to yesterday's (Murray) match is that Federer brought a very different, mainly much more aggressive game to Rafa than Murray did, and it showed. Federer refused to get into long rallies and as importantly he served very well; I was also impressed by how he regained the form on his serve in the 3rd set, after a very poor showing in the 2nd.

In the end this win definitely means more to Federer than the loss means to Nadal; Rafa already has a phenomenal season and he played a very good tournament here anyway, on the other hand Federer needed a great finish like this, and did a fantastic job getting it.
 

Gaudio2004

Semi-Pro
Again, instead of me apparently "looking" vain and stupid, you ARE just plain stupid. This isn't an argument. You are just pulling nonsense out of your @$$ now. Being a fan of Fed doesn't mean I expect him to destroy everyone he plays. Obviously you don't follow tennis nor play very much or at least not at any respectable level if you believe that's what being a fan means. There doesn't seem to be any point in countering your points because you obvious have none. I feel sorry for you and your pathetic arguments...and I use that term loosely.
When did you start watching tennis, just out of pure curiosity? 2001?
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
Everyone knows I'm a Nadal fan, but I would love to see another player lift at least one of the major trophies next year. In 2009, it was really nice to see Del Potro doing superbly at the USO.


To the Rafa and Fed supporters: These 2 guys have won too much now that its almost boring seeing them contend for the major titles every freakin' time. Let's all support Murray next year!

Gooooooooooooo Murray!! Win wimbledon next year, and I hope you beat both Nads and Feds in the process!!
This is why I was very high on Del Potro. His win at the USO in 09 was so fresh and exciting! And this coming from a Federer fan, I was glad to see him lose to Del Potro. It was about the sport having new faces that will keep the interest going for the upcoming generation of players and fans once Fedal call it a day.

And yes, I would truly LOVE Murray to win a slam. Even for someone else like Berdych, Soderling to make that breakthrough. The more champion calibur players at the top, the better for the game and us fans.

Yep. I think both of them should lose at pivotal times to keep their hunger fresh. If you win everything there's no need to improve, and life is about improving, so I'm actually happy (as happy as a Nadal fan can be) Fed won, because those two are heads above everyone else and I don't want to know the outcome before the first ball is struck.

Rafa did better than I expected after taking so much time off, and conversely, Fed did better than I expected playing so much in a couple of weeks. But, in the end they were still the last two standing and one of them had to lose. So...that's it. End of story.
Federer and Nadal are two of the greatest players of all time. They have made their legacy, and it will forever stand. We have all been lucky to have seen it unfold before our eyes...a truly special time to have BOTH playing in so many epic and classic matches.

But, as you said, life is about improving. If you win everything, you will become satisfied. And satisfation is the death of desire. I want these guys to keep playing well, BUT I want others to step up their games and make this that more fun to watch!


My feelings exactly.

I am a big Rafa fan, I started watching tennis in the late 90's(Agassi fan) but it's been like Fedal only since 2005. We are entering 2011 people, we need new blood.

Both guys have career slam, they have won basically everything(Nadal lacks WTF, Fed DC/Olympic Gold) in tennis and I like them both but it's hard to get excited when he have ANOTHER title that goes to either Fed or Nadal. It kinda seems like overkill.

What I want in 2011 is for Rafa to keep his clay streak. If he can win elsewhere it's all good, if not at least to be in good health.
I think it is safe to say, Fedal will be around for a little while yet. But, new blood is needed. Players need to start making steps now, and understand that this sport does not begin and end with Roger and Rafa.
 

DarthMaul

Professional
Everyone knows I'm a Nadal fan, but I would love to see another player lift at least one of the major trophies next year. In 2009, it was really nice to see Del Potro doing superbly at the USO.


To the Rafa and Fed supporters: These 2 guys have won too much now that its almost boring seeing them contend for the major titles every freakin' time. Let's all support Murray next year!

Gooooooooooooo Murray!! Win wimbledon next year, and I hope you beat both Nads and Feds in the process!!
Why not support Soderling, huh? :confused:
 

P_Agony

Banned
Everyone knows I'm a Nadal fan, but I would love to see another player lift at least one of the major trophies next year. In 2009, it was really nice to see Del Potro doing superbly at the USO.


To the Rafa and Fed supporters: These 2 guys have won too much now that its almost boring seeing them contend for the major titles every freakin' time. Let's all support Murray next year!

Gooooooooooooo Murray!! Win wimbledon next year, and I hope you beat both Nads and Feds in the process!!
Can't believe I'm saying that but...

I actually agree with you. I support Murray and Roddick to win a slam next year. Murray can have AO, Roddick deserves Wimbledon.
 

Netspirit

Hall of Fame
Guys, when you say you feel tired/bored of Fedal, remember that their 6 years (2004-2010) is just a short blip in tennis history.

In 5 years from now, when Fedal is definitely over, you will be wishing you could see those 2 play together again, and not on some senior tour, or charitable exhibitions, or trophy ceremonies, or XBox 720 ("Player 1: choose your player"), but live at their peaks.

You will frequent the "Former Pro Player Talk" forum, will annoy youngsters worshipping new tennis stars with your rusty nonsense about some pre-historic Swiss and Spanish guys. You will be ignored or giggled at, unless the rivalry continues and becomes so overwhelmingly great that nobody will ever forget it.
 

P_Agony

Banned
1st set: Nadal played well, except for 1 game where he played bad with 4UE including 1 double when Fed broke.

2nd set, Nadal played great,like the world #1, he was totally dominant, controlled most of all the rally's and was aggressive and barely missed, made Fed run everywhere and made him look a bit ordinary.

3rd set, Nadal played well first few games then played really crappy for the rest of the set.
In the first two sets both Fed and Nadal played pretty well and both had one bad game (Nadal in 1st, Fed in 2nd). In the 3rd both started well but Fed kept the aggressive approach and it clicked again and he broke Nadal. Nadal was close to breaking back but no BPs were offered eventually, and Fed just cruised from there, Rafa seemed lost.
 

Messarger

Hall of Fame
Didnt catch the match. pretty surprise at the 6-1. but oh well, congrats to Federer, let's hope he can start of next year with the same kind of results as this. For Rafa, the result was a huge improvement from 2009. cant wait for the AO. cheers.
 

Cyan

Hall of Fame
Not surprised of this result. Nadal was tired, he is not really that good indoors(lost his last 3 finals indoors to Nalby, Murray and Fed), plus Fed is the best indoors player on tour. Pretty obvious the result.
 
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