Velocity/Cream

Znak

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To me that's why you test a string fb first. To me, the mains will define most of the playability, so get that right first. I don't see how you can change that much (marginally) with a cross. Sounds like you are still searching for a main.

What changed from the first hit? Better opponent?
Haha, no same tennis partner, maybe I was playing worse! But it felt a little mushy to me (which why I'm wondering if it was my stringing job). It didn't have the pop/power I enjoy from a multi, but I did enjoy its comfort. I couldn't control its launch angle, had trouble keeping balls down.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Haha, no same tennis partner, maybe I was playing worse! But it felt a little mushy to me (which why I'm wondering if it was my stringing job). It didn't have the pop/power I enjoy from a multi, but I did enjoy its comfort. I couldn't control its launch angle, had trouble keeping balls down.

You launched Velocity? I need a video ... at least a pic of your biceps. :p

The only way to make Velocity mushy would be boiling it. I am assuming mushy and deadish are two different things. I labeled Velocity as "a cr@ppy trampoline". No pop ... popless. I haven't played enough multis to give pop referencs, but most mention tf X1 Biophase as max pop. Did you read Mikeler's multi thread?

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/mikelers-multis.352048/
 

Znak

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You launched Velocity? I need a video ... at least a pic of your biceps. :p

The only way to make Velocity mushy would be boiling it. I am assuming mushy and deadish are two different things. I labeled Velocity as "a cr@ppy trampoline". No pop ... popless. I haven't played enough multis to give pop referencs, but most mention tf X1 Biophase as max pop. Did you read Mikeler's multi thread?

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/mikelers-multis.352048/
Haha, I couldn't get it to sit down and I'm a relatively flat hitter. I'm still finding my string vocabulary, maybe mushy is what I'm referring to. I did, great list , I picked up a few other multis so might try them first before I try out the infamous v/c.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Haha, I couldn't get it to sit down and I'm a relatively flat hitter. I'm still finding my string vocabulary, maybe mushy is what I'm referring to. I did, great list , I picked up a few other multis so might try them first before I try out the infamous v/c.

If you are a flatter hitter, and not a string breaker try fb Origin 3-5lbs over mid-tension. There will be pop. :eek: If I ever try Origin again in my V1s ... my first try would be o/v 58/52. Origin is priced to high imo ... but as a hybrid only a $5+ adder as long as I got my 20 hours I get from fb v.

Didn’t you order tf hdx tour? If so, will be interested in your impression.
 

Znak

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If you are a flatter hitter, and not a string breaker try fb Origin 3-5lbs over mid-tension. There will be pop. :eek: If I ever try Origin again in my V1s ... my first try would be o/v 58/52. Origin is priced to high imo ... but as a hybrid only a $5+ adder as long as I got my 20 hours I get from fb v.

Didn’t you order tf hdx tour? If so, will be interested in your impression.
Interesting reviews on the Origin string! A little on the pricey side, might have to add it to my list. No HDX yet, but it's in the checkout cart for the next purchase!
 

USPTARF97

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You launched Velocity? I need a video ... at least a pic of your biceps. :p

The only way to make Velocity mushy would be boiling it. I am assuming mushy and deadish are two different things. I labeled Velocity as "a cr@ppy trampoline". No pop ... popless. I haven't played enough multis to give pop referencs, but most mention tf X1 Biophase as max pop. Did you read Mikeler's multi thread?

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/mikelers-multis.352048/

That list lost me with Wilson NXT being 18 on the list in terms of playability. Have played allot of those multis, full bed, teaching over the years and there is no comparison between many of those and NXT. Wilson NXT is about the only Multi I have seen used by national level juniors and the pro tour.
Agree with him on Technifibre X1 Biphase being close to gut but NXT is right up there especially with the additives they are putting in Gut now.
 
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ByeByePoly

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That list lost me with Wilson NXT being 18 on the list in terms of playability. Have played allot of those multis, full bed, teaching over the years and there is no comparison between many of those and NXT. Wilson NXT is about the only Multi I have seen used by national level juniors and the pro tour.

The first post was just an index, not a ranking. That said, if you read his review of NXT, it wouldn't have made it as high as 19. :p

FYI ... second post had some rankings by category.
 

USPTARF97

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The first post was just an index, not a ranking. That said, if you read his review of NXT, it wouldn't have made it as high as 19. :p

FYI ... second post had some rankings by category.

Right, would have to disagree with that. If he is going with durability and cost, maybe. But playability, no way.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Oh good to know, I figured it was his ranking!

Mikeler would tell you it's just one guy's (his) feedback. He has friends with opposite tastes. We all are different for sure when it comes to string preference. He is a 4.5 with past TE issues that plays a lot on clay. Other than that dirt thing :p his thread was a great reference for me. I tried PPC because of his (and others) positive comments. It's the only multi I hit lower powered than Velocity. I probably would have played all summer with PPC if Holliman didn't create the Velocity thread. It's a good nylon control option ... just not as good as Velocity for me.
 

USPTARF97

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That list has we wanting to go back and try Technifibre X one Biphase in the mains with Weiss Cannon. May get more durability than NXT with a little more feel.
 

mctennis

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That list lost me with Wilson NXT being 18 on the list in terms of playability. Have played allot of those multis, full bed, teaching over the years and there is no comparison between many of those and NXT. Wilson NXT is about the only Multi I have seen used by national level juniors and the pro tour.
Agree with him on Technifibre X1 Biphase being close to gut but NXT is right up there especially with the additives they are putting in Gut now.
Good info and input. TY!
 

g4driver

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That list has we wanting to go back and try Technifibre X one Biphase in the mains with Weiss Cannon. May get more durability than NXT with a little more feel.

HDX Tour 1.30 feels awfully like X1 1.30 BI-phase and just lasts longer. I put X1 in my crosses so many times I went through 3 reels of X1-Biphase. 16.5' is plenty for crosses in a 100 sq inch 16x19 frame.

660'/16.5' for crosses = 40 sets of crosses per reel. So 120+ frames strung with X1 crosses. The price per reel use to be $225 a reel MSRP. I didn't pay MSRP. Then it went to $230, $250, $250, $275, $280 and finally stopped at $299 a reel. I jumped ship when the price it $230 a reel MSRP. but didn't string for others back then. I still have about 75% of my 4th reel of X1- Biphase.

X1 is a great string but a terrible price at $300 a reel. The price per cross is $7.5 per reel assuming 40 sets of crosses at 16'5 per cross. Better to buy the packs when on sale. $15/2 = $7.5 per 20' which you could use in mains. Same deal for HDX Tour. Buy when on sale for $15 a pack and your mains cost $7.5

HDX Tour 1.30mm will certainly outlast X1 1.30 mm. I stick 135mm HDX Tour in my crosses as i don't want to break them in less than 15 hours, which is about how long 1.30mm X1 last before snapping in my crosses.
 
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g4driver

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Here are pics of the back of the package of HDX Tour. I really hadn't looked closely at the packaging before. Three different fibers ?? But the picture shows four different colors. Red, black, white and gold. 4>3 perhaps marketing glitch.


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USPTARF97

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Interesting looking string. Looks like a good substitute for playing with all poly. Played with the FXP Tour for awhile following an injury. Those combination strings are easy on the arm.
Never have put that type of string in the mains with a poly cross. It seems to me if I am going to play Multi mains and poly crosses to simulate Gut mains I have to go with best playability because durability isn’t going to be there. Have to give up one for the other. The best playability at a reasonable price is my goal even if it’s 3-5hrs of play per frame. 3-5hrs is all I am getting out of Gut/poly.
 
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g4driver

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Both natural gut and HDX Tour come in 1.35mm.

Which gut and what gauge are you using that only last 3-5 hours ?
 

g4driver

Legend
Perhaps try the 1.35mm HDX Tour or 1.35mm Tonic. Clearly you hit a lot of spin and RHS, so whether you have 1.30mm or 1.35mm it shouldn't affect your game given your very high skill level. 5.5 or Open level my guess
 

USPTARF97

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Perhaps try the 1.35mm HDX Tour or 1.35mm Tonic. Clearly you hit a lot of spin and RHS, so whether you have 1.30mm or 1.35mm it shouldn't affect your game given your very high skill level. 5.5 or Open level my guess

My partner tried the 15g Gut. Not much difference in longevity. Drakulie has a YouTube video of doing a demo with the RF97 strung with Champions Choice. Shows you what is fairly standard with that frame. Goes through the strings in a hitting session.
 
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scotus

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HDX Tour 1.30 feels awfully like X1 1.30 BI-phase and just lasts longer. I put X1 in my crosses so many times I went through 3 reels of X1-Biphase. 16.5' is plenty for crosses in a 100 sq inch 16x19 frame.

660'/16.5' for crosses = 40 sets of crosses per reel. So 120+ frames strung with X1 crosses. The price per reel use to be $225 a reel MSRP. I didn't pay MSRP. Then it went to $230, $250, $250, $275, $280 and finally stopped at $299 a reel. I jumped ship when the price it $230 a reel MSRP. but didn't string for others back then. I still have about 75% of my 4th reel of X1- Biphase.

X1 is a great string but a terrible price at $300 a reel. The price per cross is $7.5 per reel assuming 40 sets of crosses at 16'5 per cross. Better to buy the packs when on sale. $15/2 = $7.5 per 20' which you could use in mains. Same deal for HDX Tour. Buy when on sale for $15 a pack and your mains cost $7.5

HDX Tour 1.30mm will certainly outlast X1 1.30 mm. I stick 135mm HDX Tour in my crosses as i don't want to break them in less than 15 hours, which is about how long 1.30mm X1 last before snapping in my crosses.

For those interested in trying out HDX Tour, both the 16g and 17g versions are currently on sale at at least a couple of big online retailers.

TW’s sale price of $15 a pack is not the lowest price. Feel free to Google. You can also ask TW to price-match.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
For those interested in trying out HDX Tour, both the 16g and 17g versions are currently on sale at at least a couple of big online retailers.

TW’s sale price of $15 a pack is not the lowest price. Feel free to Google. You can also ask TW to price-match.

I saw that and have been thinking about trying it as fb in your :cool: racquet... was thinking @55. Maybe I love fb ... maybe hdx/v a possible. I have V left.
 

Traffic

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FYI ... ordered tf hdx tour. Not sure when I will play next, but will comment after.
I seem to have a few sets of strings that I'd like to experiment with. But not really finding the time or opportunity. I have a pack of RIP Control that I was supposed to try hybriding with Cream. But it's sitting there now...waiting...waiting...
 

g4driver

Legend
Technibre HDX Tour, NXT Control, Head FXP are all just more durable /longer lasting multis than their cousins due to the poly fibers. when 1.30mm multis break too quickly, these three are a potential solution for folks who don't want full poly setups.

HDX Tour is the only one that comes in 1.35mm but hard to find that in the US.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
FYI -- it has 33% poly fibers. I can't feel the poly in it since I have been using full poly for years.

Cream / HDX Tour feels very soft to me

Yeah ... the poly part is why I haven't tried it before now. Scotus had elbow issues, and it worked for him as fb. I've read a lot of posts, and tw review and comments and found very little arm issue comments. There are some of us post TE that feel the poly in Cream. I will be a good test case fb hdx tour @55. If I have no problem, then it's probably more arm friendly then Cream. I don't think Cream would ever hurt anyone that didn't have TE before. I also think I could probably continue to play v/c ... but for now for me "first twinge and I'm out". I will play 30# gut if that was what is required to play twinge free. :cool:

How's the roads? We will be back to 40s ... even 50s by weekend.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I seem to have a few sets of strings that I'd like to experiment with. But not really finding the time or opportunity. I have a pack of RIP Control that I was supposed to try hybriding with Cream. But it's sitting there now...waiting...waiting...

You will get to it ... can't take the string testing out of you at this point. I have to admit it's addictive. Might be a great time for you to do it since you can't play matches for a while.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Technibre HDX Tour, NXT Control, Head FXP are all just more durable /longer lasting multis than their cousins due to the poly fibers. when 1.30mm multis break too quickly, these three are a potential solution for folks who don't want full poly setups.

HDX Tour is the only one that comes in 1.35mm but hard to find that in the US.

3 sets 16g $13 ea ... free shipping ... Google
 

ByeByePoly

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Winter wonderland here. 5+ inches of snow and Charleston, SC is closed for business.

We will slowly thaw out by the weekend and back to 68 for Monday

Great pic... at least snow looks awesome. If I heard the news correctly ... first time in 28 years for Tallahassee snow, and only 14 times in recorded history for Savannah.
 

g4driver

Legend
Insane to get this much snow here. Last time was 2010. But nothing like this. Flights cancelled today and tomorrow am. Just don't have the equipment to work in winter ops.

I remember being in Las Vegas back in 2004 / 2005 and getting a call "how quickly can you get to the airport ?" It was snowing in Vegas and wanted the jets out before the airport shutdown. Once the runways get too contaminated, there is no way to scrap them like they do in the Northeast. Cities like CHS, LAS, SAV, MCO (orlando), JAX , TLH don't have runway snow removal trucks/equipment.
 

USPTARF97

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Looks like I am committed to Velocity for about 14 frames. Had two sets on the way and got a $50 gift card from Amazon. 5 more sets on the way. Looks like Velocity in the mains 1.30 and Weiss Cannon 1.25 in the crosses of the RF97.
 
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USPTARF97

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The racquets that I play with are all strung but I strung a 2017 PS97 with Velocity mains1.30 and Weiss Cannon Crosses 1.25. 55/52. Pre-stretch mains and not crosses. Hits great. Ready to string my RF97’s with this set up.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
The racquets that I play with are all strung but I strung a 2017 PS97 with Velocity mains1.30 and Weiss Cannon Crosses 1.25. 55/52. Pre-stretch mains and not crosses. Hits great. Ready to string my RF97’s with this set up.

Good ... was hoping you liked it since you got 7 sets. You are the first I've heard pre-stretching Velocity. Were you just getting coil memory out?
 

USPTARF97

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Good ... was hoping you liked it since you got 7 sets. You are the first I've heard pre-stretching Velocity. Were you just getting coil memory out?

Nah, it is a lock out stringer. Pull each main twice. Good bit of stretch pulling the string slow to lock out the first time. Then release it to pull it again but don’t back off so far that the string becomes released from the slide clamp.
What allot of people call pre-stretching the string is not what they are doing. They are just getting the coil memory out to make it easier to string.
Pre-stretching the mains on Gut, Multi, and Synthetic Gut make the string bed play a little more solid it seems. I don’t pre-stretch poly.
Velocity seems to have a little less energy return than NXT but not too different from Sensation. As long as there is better longevity it is a winner.
 
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USPTARF97

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The playability I am getting from Multi/ Poly in the first 3-5 hrs is fantastic and my arm thanks me. The all poly setups were getting uncontrollable around 3hrs and the gut/poly set ups were as well. Nice to have a set up that I know is going have playability for 3-5 hrs and will probably break. Strings that break are better than an arm that breaks or an uncontrollable set up.
 
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Znak

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I'm going to strike my initial tests from the record, I just found out my machine wasn't calibrated properly and after a few hair pulling moments I found out it was pulling 15-17lbs under tension (hence probably why I was rocketing my shots). I did string up v/c at the under tensioned setting and noticed I liked it alot more than a fb of V but it still felt strange.

Having said that I just ordered two more sets of Velocity and Cream and will hopefully get this tensioned right for a proper assessment! Can't wait!
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Yeah ... the poly part is why I haven't tried it before now. Scotus had elbow issues, and it worked for him as fb. I've read a lot of posts, and tw review and comments and found very little arm issue comments. There are some of us post TE that feel the poly in Cream. I will be a good test case fb hdx tour @55. If I have no problem, then it's probably more arm friendly then Cream. I don't think Cream would ever hurt anyone that didn't have TE before. I also think I could probably continue to play v/c ... but for now for me "first twinge and I'm out". I will play 30# gut if that was what is required to play twinge free. :cool:

How's the roads? We will be back to 40s ... even 50s by weekend.

HDX Tour is definitely much softer than Cream. In fact, I don’t find Cream to be the softiest of polys.

HDX Tour is ideal for those who want multi-comfort AND poly spin. No, you won’t get as much spin as you would with the spinniest of polys, but you would get an average-poly level, which beats Velocity hands-down in my book.

For those with serious arm pain, I highly recommend that you let your HDX Tour sit for a day or two after the stringing job and allow for full initial tension loss before taking it out on the court. Then you won’t feel any harshness of the embedded poly and will enjoy a smooth comfortable ride until the string breaks.

I use a full bed at 55 lbs cp.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
@scotus,

What are the polys you find softer than Cream? Always appreciate reading your and @jim_e take on strings and stringing.

Thanks for chiming in here.

Thank you for the kind words.

The softest is probably the 20 gauge (1.05 mm) Solinco Tour Bite, but it’s a very unpractical type of string, only good for an hour or less.

I have also found some 18-19 gauge gauge offerings of Volkl to be softer. I think V-Torque 18, Cyclone 19, 18L, V-Star 19, the thinnest Cyclone Tour are all good candidates. Genesis Black Magic 18 is also comfy but the performance can only be described as meh.

Don’t get me wrong. Cream is good, but I just find the HDX Tour safest for my arm.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
HDX Tour is definitely much softer than Cream. In fact, I don’t find Cream to be the softiest of polys.

HDX Tour is ideal for those who want multi-comfort AND poly spin. No, you won’t get as much spin as you would with the spinniest of polys, but you would get an average-poly level, which beats Velocity hands-down in my book.

For those with serious arm pain, I highly recommend that you let your HDX Tour sit for a day or two after the stringing job and allow for full initial tension loss before taking it out on the court. Then you won’t feel any harshness of the embedded poly and will enjoy a smooth comfortable ride until the string breaks.

I use a full bed at 55 lbs cp.

Due to shipping issues (probably weather related) I will have the option of 6 sets rather than 3. I will get strings by Tues ... and hopefully get to hit soon. Indoor courts are busy and I don't have a permanent time.

I will be a good test against fb Velocity, for spin power, and arm friendly. I didn't expect hdx spin to be more than V based on tw review and comments. That would be a nice plus.

What is your racquet @55 fb? Is that mid tension?

Should I expect hdx durability to match or exceed Velocity? I will have to decide on additional 3 sets before I can test durability.
 

g4driver

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V-Torque 1.28 mm only last me 6 to 7 sets. I used 1.30mm Cyclone Tour for four years. For thicker polys, the 1.28mm Cream seems to be the softest round poly I have found for hybrids with multi.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Due to shipping issues (probably weather related) I will have the option of 6 sets rather than 3. I will get strings by Tues ... and hopefully get to hit soon. Indoor courts are busy and I don't have a permanent time.

I will be a good test against fb Velocity, for spin power, and arm friendly. I didn't expect hdx spin to be more than V based on tw review and comments. That would be a nice plus.

What is your racquet @55 fb? Is that mid tension?

Should I expect hdx durability to match or exceed Velocity? I will have to decide on additional 3 sets before I can test durability.

Currently I am back to using Prince EXO3 Tour 16x18 (100 sq in) which is arguably the most arm-friendly stick ever made.

It is 3 lbs below the recommended mid-tension. If I were to use full poly, I would do it at 40-45 lbs.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
V-Torque 1.28 mm only last me 6 to 7 sets. I used 1.30mm Cyclone Tour for four years. For thicker polys, the 1.28mm Cream seems to be the softest round poly I have found for hybrids with multi.

You are right. The most comfortable strings tend to be on the thinner side and would not last as long.

Cream is a good compromise unless comfort is such an overriding factor that you’d be willing to string more often and spend more money.
 
Has anybody who has tried Cream also tried Yonex Poly Tour Air 1.25mm? I haven't tried the Cream yet, but the PT Air is certainly pretty soft, both empirically - TW, and anecdotally - me.
 

Znak

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I'm going to strike my initial tests from the record, I just found out my machine wasn't calibrated properly and after a few hair pulling moments I found out it was pulling 15-17lbs under tension (hence probably why I was rocketing my shots). I did string up v/c at the under tensioned setting and noticed I liked it alot more than a fb of V but it still felt strange.

Having said that I just ordered two more sets of Velocity and Cream and will hopefully get this tensioned right for a proper assessment! Can't wait!

Had two matches today, and my experience was wildly different than my first outing! Really enjoyed it, it was super plush, could really go out on my swings and didn't feel anything at all in the elbow. Strangely I did feel a little in the wrist, but I'm unsure if it's a funny movement on a backhand slice or the setup. I had a tough time on my flat serve however... not sure if I was just having a bad day. I did find a surprising amount of spin potential. Had it setup on my LO at 56/52. Excited to try it some more to get a good feeling on it.
 

ByeByePoly

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Had two matches today, and my experience was wildly different than my first outing! Really enjoyed it, it was super plush, could really go out on my swings and didn't feel anything at all in the elbow. Strangely I did feel a little in the wrist, but I'm unsure if it's a funny movement on a backhand slice or the setup. I had a tough time on my flat serve however... not sure if I was just having a bad day. I did find a surprising amount of spin potential. Had it setup on my LO at 56/52. Excited to try it some more to get a good feeling on it.

That is ironic with the wrist. I never have wrist issues, and mine was sore with v/c 55/50. If I tried it again, would probably try 53/50 ... but would not want to step on the spin.

I just ran the v/c racquet over to stringer with set of tf hdx tour. FB @55. Will give feedback when I get to play... probably next Tues. I checked v/c tension with RT one last time, and no change without play sitting in the bag for almost 2 weeks.

I watched your stringing video. Maybe you should include music in all your posts. :cool:
 
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