Can Nadal win Wimbledon one more time?

abmk · Jun 17, 2018

hugobosstachini said:
I'm not sure what you are issuing but basically your inference states that had they not played more on clay, then player X would have lost less to player Z. Therefore there would be no mental blockage.

In other words, for there to have mental blockage, there needs to have losses and they have to be accumulated over a period of time. Sooooo.... What's your contradiction? Unless you're just arguing just for the sake of arguing.

I can understand that a mental block can transfer from an environment or surface to another, if that's what you are stating but how true that is, is up for you prove.

yes, that's what I am stating.
as far as proving goes, I already did. If you had read my first response, you'd have known. Straight from the horse's mouth.

abmk said:
it wasn't ? didn't play a factor at all ? right !

jeez, guess you know federer's mind better than federer himself. you are some genius !

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Q. On court you said in your rivalry with Rafa early on, you maybe played him too many times on clay court, and that impacted how you played him. Can you go into more detail on that.
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, not really. Why give him an edge? I said enough. Maybe I lost the Wimbledon finals in 2008 because of too many clay court matches, because he crushed me at the French Open final. I said that before. I think it affected my first two sets at Wimbledon. Maybe that's why I ended up losing.

I know Rafa played great in that final. I actually ended up playing great, too. It was similar like today. I was fighting a two-sets-to-love lead. I wasn't fighting the right way. I think that was the effect that the French Open loss that I actually got crushed in left on me.

That's kind of the things I meant with it. It was more mentally something at some moments. Now it's a different time. A lot of time has gone by. I know this court allows me to play a certain game against Rafa that I cannot do on center court at the French Open.

actually following their matches properly would also tell you that.

hugobosstachini said:
The same can be said for Nadal. Feeling is entirely subjective. You can beat someone 20 times without necessarily having had the feeling that you played your best [attitude that is very common with perfectionists]. So to me this does not add any additional depth to the ongoing discussion. More, I don't the point trying to be made.

yeah, it makes a difference. He was insinuating that federer was losing to Nadal inspite of feeling/actually playing his best on so many occasions.

also you don't necessarily have to be playing at your best on multiple occasions to develop a mental block.

AceSalvo · Jun 17, 2018

yes of course, if Wimbledon will be played at Philippe Chatrier court!

octobrina10 · Jun 17, 2018

Mr Feeny said:
Dear Nadal devotee. Thank you for your reply to my POST. I wonder why are preoccupied with what a Federer FAN has to say.

Hmm. Fed devotee, I didn't ask this.

WeakEraKing · Jun 17, 2018

Need Federer to back spasm , no bloody left players (shapovalov and muller), not get allocated to court 1, need a Berdych in the final. He honestly should skip it and rest for us open

KINGROGER · Jun 17, 2018

cc0509 said:
But that's what I'm saying. One slam match is not conclusive evidence of anything either way. I just think if Nadal by some miracle after six years of bombing out of Wimbledon can make it to a W final and to Federer, Federer would have the edge but it would likely be a tussle.

Yeah, I"m not sure I agree with all that. I think the mental block was paramount back then.

At the 2012 AO Federer looked very confident and took it to Nadal. If the court speed was like 2017 I’m giving that match to Fed in 4. It was horrifically slow so a lot of Fed’s attacking plays were able to be retrieved.

ewiewp · Jun 17, 2018

cc0509 said:
Nadal had the perfect game plan to beat Federer and Federer didn't commit to making adjustments to combat Nadal(not lasting adjustments) for over a decade. On top of that, those early and repeated clay beatdowns did a number on Fed's psyche when things transferred to off clay surfaces. All players, even players as great as Federer, have weaknesses and like it or not, Nadal was Federer's Achilles heel. Credit to Federer for being able to achieve what he did and have the greater slam record(thus far), slam distribution, record weeks @#1, etc. and become the greatest of all time while having to deal with his biggest vulnerability in his career(Nadal.)

I think that has been general opinion among ATP coaching community.
Whole community knew problem was Federers conservative strategy in tight situations like deciding sets such as 5th set.
Exposed by guys like Nadal, Djokovic and Del Porto.
He was one stubborn guy and kept using essentially same war strategy.

Many people believe Federer finally addressed it from 2017 improving his record in deciding sets but I'm not exactly sure he really has changed.
Federer has not played many matches with guys like Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Wawrinka in top form.
He is just collecting slams without dealing with top game that troubled him in the past.

KINGROGER · Jun 17, 2018

ADuck said:
Haha, no. On clay, and outdoor hardcourt mate. The evidence does not favour your opinion there. Of course you have your "mental block," "not clutch enough," and a vast variety of other excuses in defense of the 8-6 in matches and 25-19 in sets. But excuses from fanboys are not enough to offset that difference
From 2004-2009 (during Federer's prime) the h2h on outdoor hardcourts was 3-1 in matches and 9-6 in sets in favour of Nadal, despite the fact Nadal was only 18-21 years old. During Nadal's prime (2008-2013) the h2h was 5-1 in matches and 12-6 in sets. Nadal will beat a peak/prime Federer any day of the week assuming he is himself in his peak/prime. Don't try to tangle this with Federer being the better player on outdoor hardcourts in general.

Ah, your timing is impeccable, right on queue. Here comes the "I am more objective and not as bias as you
because that is what my brain is telling me" phase. Joy

Only on slow outdoor HCs.

Prime/peak Fed playing well at Cincy, USO (when it was medium fast), Shanghai etc will beat Nadal the majority of the time.

KINGROGER · Jun 17, 2018

ADuck said:
He would. Sorry, but the evidence is there, and excuses about Federer's form in previous matches by his fanboys are the only defense for 3-1 h2h during Fed's prime and the 5-1 h2h during Nadal's prime.

Miami 2004 - slow HC
Miami 2005 - slow HC
Dubai 2006 - medium HC
AO 2009 - slow HC
Miami 2011 - slow HC
AO 2012 - slow HC
IW 2012 - slow HC
IW 2013 - slow HC
Cincinnati - medium fast HC
AO 2014 - slow HC

Do you notice a pattern at all?

OddJack · Jun 17, 2018

He cannot win any major other than clay one more time

mike danny · Jun 17, 2018

ewiewp said:
I think that has been general opinion among ATP coaching community.
Whole community knew problem was Federers conservative strategy in tight situations like deciding sets such as 5th set.
Exposed by guys like Nadal, Djokovic and Del Porto.
He was one stubborn guy and kept using essentially same war strategy.

Many people believe Federer finally addressed it from 2017 improving his record in deciding sets but I'm not exactly sure he really has changed.
Federer has not played many matches with guys like Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Wawrinka in top form.
He is just collecting slams without dealing with top game that troubled him in the past.

Wawrinka now is considered troublesome for Fed? And didn't Fed beat Nadal to win one of his last 3 slams?

mike danny · Jun 17, 2018

ADuck said:
Haha, no. On clay, and outdoor hardcourt mate. The evidence does not favour your opinion there. Of course you have your "mental block," "not clutch enough," and a vast variety of other excuses in defense of the 8-6 in matches and 25-19 in sets. But excuses from fanboys are not enough to offset that difference
From 2004-2009 (during Federer's prime) the h2h on outdoor hardcourts was 3-1 in matches and 9-6 in sets in favour of Nadal, despite the fact Nadal was only 18-21 years old. During Nadal's prime (2008-2013) the h2h was 5-1 in matches and 12-6 in sets. Nadal will beat a peak/prime Federer any day of the week assuming he is himself in his peak/prime. Don't try to tangle this with Federer being the better player on outdoor hardcourts in general.

Ah, your timing is impeccable, right on queue. Here comes the "I am more objective and not as bias as you because that is what my brain is telling me" phase. Joy

It depends on what HC we are talking about. Slow as molasses AO + Miami + slow as molasses USO, yes, Nadal would have the edge.

Faster AO + Cincy + IW + faster USO Fed would have the edge.

mike danny · Jun 17, 2018

ADuck said:
He would. Sorry, but the evidence is there, and excuses about Federer's form in previous matches by his fanboys are the only defense for 3-1 h2h during Fed's prime and the 5-1 h2h during Nadal's prime.

Nope, not all outdoor HC are the same. On slow HC, except IW, Nadal would have the edge.

On faster HC, Fed would have the edge.

weakera · Jun 17, 2018

Of course he can. He's one of the best players on tour on any surface and maybe the best overall. As others have stated, on grass he needs circumstances to work a bit in his favor, but it is certainly within the realm of possibility. If he gets the right draw or just flat out reaches the QF because he's playing well, anything can happen.

Jonas78 · Jun 17, 2018

With the right draw it is possible, but i think it's very unlikely. After Stuttgart Fedr is big favourite, players like Milos will probably be the toughest opposition he will face. Can't see any of the GOAT returners like Djoker or Murray threatening him.

abmk · Jun 17, 2018

ewiewp said:
I think that has been general opinion among ATP coaching community.
Whole community knew problem was Federers conservative strategy in tight situations like deciding sets such as 5th set.
Exposed by guys like Nadal, Djokovic and Del Porto.
He was one stubborn guy and kept using essentially same war strategy.

Many people believe Federer finally addressed it from 2017 improving his record in deciding sets but I'm not exactly sure he really has changed.
Federer has not played many matches with guys like Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Wawrinka in top form.
He is just collecting slams without dealing with top game that troubled him in the past.

Federer took it to Nadal and blew Nadal off court in AO 17 final set.
He's 3 all vs Nadal in 5th set matches (wins in Miami 05, Wim 07 and AO 17, losses in Rome 06, Wim 08, AO 09). He didn't lose Rome 06 because he was conservative. He lost because he missed 2 easy FHs on MPs. He didn't lose AO 09 because he was conservative. He lost it because he went on UE spree because of pressure of having to keep up ground game without a decent serve that day.

Federer also beat top form Stan in AO 17 semi.

Federer is 18-7 vs delpo (having beaten him in 5th sets in RG 09, RG 12 , lost to him in USO 09, problem was his UEs&serving there, not being passive)

get over your butthurt and stop deluding yourself, fastdunn/ultradr ....its wayyyy wayyy past time.

acceptance is the first step towards recovery.

Jonas78 · Jun 17, 2018

ewiewp said:
Many people believe Federer finally addressed it from 2017 improving his record in deciding sets but I'm not exactly sure he really has changed.
Federer has not played many matches with guys like Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Wawrinka in top form.
He is just collecting slams without dealing with top game that troubled him in the past.

Oh the irony.

weakera · Jun 17, 2018

abmk said:
Federer took it to Nadal and blew Nadal off court in AO 17 final set.
also beat top form Stan in AO 17 semi.
he's 18-7 vs delpo (having beaten him in 5th sets in RG 09, RG 12 , lost to him in USO 09, problem was his UEs&serving there, not being passive)

get over your butthurt and stop deluding yourself, fastdunn/ultradr ....its wayyyy wayyy past time.

acceptance is the first step towards recovery.

"Top form Stan"

abmk · Jun 17, 2018

weakera said:
"Top form Stan"

Stan played well in sets 1,3,4&5 in the AO 2017 semi. Only set 2 was below par.

weakera · Jun 17, 2018

abmk said:
Stan played well in sets 1,3,4&5 in the AO 2017 semi. Only set 2 was below par.

"Top form"

abmk · Jun 17, 2018

weakera said:
"Top form"

Stan can't play that much better vs Federer on a non-clay court.
had also beaten Tsonga in straight sets in the QF.
posting "top form Stan?" and dumba** gif to not be able to argue/discuss won't change that.

weakera · Jun 17, 2018

abmk said:
Stan can't play that much better vs Federer on a non-clay court.
had also beaten Tsonga in straight sets in the QF.
posting "top form Stan?" and dumba** gif to not be able to argue/discuss won't change that.

NO WHERE near Stan's "top form." No amount of tears will change that.

abmk · Jun 17, 2018

weakera said:
NO WHERE near Stan's "top form." No amount of tears will change that.

almost as well as he can play vs Federer on non-clay court.
Not Federer's problem if Djoko's style allows Stan to play better.
your butthurt at federer winning that match and that AO is not going to change that.

tennis24x7 · Jun 17, 2018

Hitman said:
Well said. If Federer plays Nadal on grass at this stage in their careers, Federer will be the one more likely to win.

People need to understand that Federer has solved Nadal's game out, it being a slam doesn't change that. The difference about playing on a clay court is that Nadal would be able to tire Federer out, that cannot happen on a surface that rewards shot making. And, I have still to see how Nadal is going to solve this new Federer, because hitting to his backhand is not going to cut it, and with Federer looking sharp on serve, pressure would be huge on each Nadal service game.

The real reason Fed has been able to beat Nadal is because Nadal hasn't gotten back his forehand the way it was before and Fed fixed his backhand. Once Nadal gets his Forehand the way it was before it will always win against Fed's backhand (revamped or not)

cc0509 · Jun 17, 2018

Dolgopolov85, post: 12392288, member: 741445"]Yes, it would be idiotic but I didn't say that. For someone who loves to boast about his objectivity (always an indication of lack of self awareness)

The last thing I lack is self-awareness. It's just that on a Federer fanatic forum the rule of the day is to never criticize Federer in any way and under any circumstances. He must be perfect in every way. He's as perfect as any tennis player I've ever watched and when he retires, I'll likely lose interest in the sport but I'm sorry, his one Achilles Heel in the past was Nadal and I'm not going to pretend that vulnerability didn't exist to please a bunch of hero-worshippers.

you sure don't think twice before putting words in the mouths of those you argue with. Er, the fact that Fed suddenly began to lose to players he beat very handily shows that his level had dropped quite noticeably from 2006. Too bad that it doesn't fit your pet theory and therefore you must now proceed to characterise those who disagree with you as foolish fanatics or whatever. Suit yourself.

The fact that Federer began to lose to some players he hadn't before and the fact that his level dropped off a little from previous years(which I agree it did) has nothing to do with his rivalry with Nadal which was a challenge to him from day one and he often played stupid tactics vs Nadal.

You're trying to do backflips coming up with fallacious reasons Federer lost W 2008 and AO 2009 to Nadal in years when Federer made 8 out of 9 slam finals and it's hilarious beyond measure. It makes no sense IMO. As I said, if you want to claim a Federer post-2010 lost to Nadal and Djokovic at slams in part because he was post-prime, I agree with you. You just need to accept that when prime Federer lost to Nadal pre-2010, Nadal had Federer's number and was the better player on those days. It really shouldn't be that difficult for a healthy individual to admit that. They won't take away your hero-worship card! I promise!

weakera · Jun 17, 2018

abmk said:
almost as well as he can play vs Federer on non-clay court.
Not Federer's problem if Djoko's style allows Stan to play better.
your butthurt at federer winning that match and that AO is not going to change that.

I couldn't care much less about the result of the match. Unlike most Federer fans on this forum, my admiration of the sport and spectacle extends well beyond neediness and vicarious living through either Nadal or Federer's win-loss or results.

Bottom line - you'd have to be really ignorant or blinded (2-for-2 here) to think Stan was anywhere near his "top form."

Deleted member 77403 · Jun 17, 2018

tennis24x7 said:
The real reason Fed has been able to beat Nadal is because Nadal hasn't gotten back his forehand the way it was before and Fed fixed his backhand. Once Nadal gets his Forehand the way it was before it will always win against Fed's backhand (revamped or not)

Funny how his forehand has looked good against others, and last year he was blasting everyone off the court with it, everyone but Federer...

Djokovic2011 · Jun 17, 2018

I'd be truly amazed if he did but I guess stranger things have happened. I mean if Trump and Kim Jong-un can meet face to face then who's to say Nadal can't win Wimbledon again?

cc0509 · Jun 17, 2018

Dolgopolov85 said:
Why so when Nadal did push him to five sets already at Wimbledon 2007? Objectivity my foot! The thing is many Fed fans like you hate to give credit to Nadal. You just cannot accept that by 2008-09 Nadal had grown into his peak at the same time that Fed was falling off his own. You have to make it all out like it was totally Fed's fault for losing and nothing to do with how good Nadal was at that point. Because of Fed's style of playing and the many more options he gives himself, he has aged better than Nadal and is finally in a position to turn the tables on him. But when Nadal was in his prime, the only thing Fed could have possibly done to turn around the match up was learn a double handed backhand. And it was too late for that.

And that's where I disagree with you. The bigger racket Federer switched to and the more aggressive backhand he has employed since his six-month absence(which he continues to use vs Nadal instead of giving up in the past after he missed a few shots) have done wonders in his game plan vs Nadal. Now it's up to Nadal to counter with changes of his own when playing Federer off clay.

mike danny · Jun 17, 2018

tennis24x7 said:
The real reason Fed has been able to beat Nadal is because Nadal hasn't gotten back his forehand the way it was before and Fed fixed his backhand. Once Nadal gets his Forehand the way it was before it will always win against Fed's backhand (revamped or not)

Nadal will never play the way he used to play when he was troubling Federer. He is 32 now. An aggressive Nadal plays right into Federer's hands.

cc0509 · Jun 17, 2018

tennis24x7 said:
The real reason Fed has been able to beat Nadal is because Nadal hasn't gotten back his forehand the way it was before and Fed fixed his backhand. Once Nadal gets his Forehand the way it was before it will always win against Fed's backhand (revamped or not)

Nah. I don't agree with that. If anything, what may allow Nadal to beat Federer in the future again is Nadal's own improved backhand. Federer's racket change and more aggressive backhand to counter Nadal's aggressive forehand are sound changes/tactics which completely took Nadal off-guard.

mike danny · Jun 17, 2018

weakera said:
I couldn't care much less about the result of the match. Unlike most Federer fans on this forum, my admiration of the sport and spectacle extends well beyond neediness and vicarious living through either Nadal or Federer's win-loss or results.

Bottom line - you'd have to be really ignorant or blinded (2-for-2 here) to think Stan was anywhere near his "top form."

Please enlighten us on what Stan's top form is.

Is it 2015 USO when he got destroyed in straights by Roger?

donquijote · Jun 17, 2018

kailash said:
Chances are less, but can he do it one more time?

mike danny · Jun 17, 2018

cc0509 said:
Nah. I don't agree with that. If anything, what may allow Nadal to beat Federer in the future again is Nadal's own improved backhand. Federer's racket change and more aggressive backhand to counter Nadal's aggressive forehand are sound changes/tactics which completely took Nadal off-guard.

An aggressive Nadal plays right into Federer's hands. A more aggressive BH won't change that.

Deleted member 77403 · Jun 17, 2018

mike danny said:
Nadal will never play the way he used to play when he was troubling Federer. He is 32 now. An aggressive Nadal plays right into Federer's hands.

Nadal has physically declined, he has been past his prime for over 4 years. Nadal needs his legs against Federer and defense. Aggressive Nadal is just what Federer wants, no one plays the aggressive game better than Feds.

cc0509 · Jun 17, 2018

mike danny said:
An aggressive Nadal plays right into Federer's hands. A more aggressive BH won't change that.

Maybe. We'll have to see. I think both sides(Federer and Nadal fans) are getting a little carried away. They played ONE slam(AO 2017) where Federer employed renewed tactics and the match could have gone either way. Let's just wait and see how it plays out at another slam and see if Federer's form holds up and see if Nadal can come up with a plan B.

mike danny · Jun 17, 2018

cc0509 said:
Maybe. We'll have to see. I think both sides(Federer and Nadal fans) are getting a little carried away. They played ONE slam(AO 2017) where Federer employed renewed tactics and the match could have gone either way. Let's just wait and see how it plays out at another slam and see if Federer's form holds up and see if Nadal can come up with a plan B.

I understand that. But when I see people claiming that "Nadal just neds his old FH back" or "Roger has to worry about Nadal's BH", I wonder whether people realize this is 2018 and not 2008.

Tennisgods · Jun 17, 2018

Vamos Rafa Nadal said:
He has also come super close to winning the Australian open and imo was going to win this year before his SF injury - he was playing incredibly well!

With all due respect, this statement is delusional. Nadal was never close to winning AO this year, Cilic arguably had him beat before the injury occurred. And it was quarters, not semis.

Deleted member 77403 · Jun 17, 2018

mike danny said:
I understand that. But when I see people claiming that "Nadal just neds his old FH back" or "Roger has to worry about Nadal's BH", I wonder whether people realize this is 2018 and not 2008.

Nadal needs a completely new tactic against Federer. Hitting to the backhand will not work, when Federer is now coming over the ball 100 percent of the time, less shanks due to the larger sweet spot, no chipped returns or slices, and the ability to generate easy power off of that wing even when the ball is bouncing high up on him, such as IW. That's Nadal's bread and butter tactic blown apart. Nadal's own reduced foot speed means, he is not going to be getting to all those shots the way he used, the older he gets, the more and more the match up plays into Federer's hands. In form Nadal in Shanghai has zero answers to Federer's game, and this was after the straight set drubbings earlier in the year.

Tennisgods said:
With all due respect, this statement is delusional. Nadal was never close to winning AO this year, Cilic arguably had him beat before the injury occurred. And it was quarters, not semis.

Nadal v Federer on a low bouncing fast INDOOR hard court...yeah, Nadal was winning it....

cc0509 · Jun 17, 2018

mike danny said:
I understand that. But when I see people claiming that "Nadal just neds his old FH back" or "Roger has to worry about Nadal's BH", I wonder whether people realize this is 2018 and not 2008.

Well, Nadal's current forehand is still awesome and if Federer is "off" and doesn't stick with that aggressive backhand throughout a match vs Nadal, Federer will lose IMO.

In any case, Nadal is the one who will likely have to get to Federer at Wimbledon and he hasn't been too successful reaching the second week in the past six years. Let's see the draw. Nadal may get a joke draw.

Tennisgods · Jun 17, 2018

Freddy Cat said:
While it's very easy to dismiss Nadal (I still don't think he'll have another shot at Wimbledon), all the people he's lost to since 2012 were no typical players... they were either putting up a best ever performance, or just playing extremely clean grass-court tennis. I think that the way his opponents were playing could have given absolutely any player a hard time -- and that Nadal's gotten fairly unlucky in that regard. If there's a place you're going to run into a journeyman who will create some magic out of the blue, it's Wimbledon.

I just don’t agree with this. For a player of Nadals overall quality, his recent record at Wimbledon is telling, not a case of coincidentally running in to people playing out of their skins. Point is, these guys smell blood on grass in a way they don’t when he’s playing on clay or (lesser extent) hard.

My point is that Nadal, Fed, Djokovic et al will win against most other players highest levels pretty comfortably if they in turn bring their best level. Nadal hasn’t done that on grass for years. You do not be Rafa Nadal and lose to Steve Darcis unless you are some way from your best. I’d say the same for Brown. And Rosol. Kyrgios is the only exception there in my opinion, he’s usually up for it against the big boys. And Rafa was close last year against Muller but I actually thought he never really looked like winning the match, and he ultimately lost it. Most importantly, take a look at how far those who beat Nadal then went in the years they beat Rafa. None of them won the thing did they?

Nadal has not been a victim of poor luck at Wimbledon and it is not coincidence he has gone out early there.

All of that said, he’s Nadal. And that means he has a chance at any event he plays.

RS · Jun 17, 2018

KINGROGER said:
At the 2012 AO Federer looked very confident and took it to Nadal. If the court speed was like 2017 I’m giving that match to Fed in 4. It was horrifically slow so a lot of Fed’s attacking plays were able to be retrieved.

More court speed conspiracies. Their is not a slow slam off Clay. Hardcourt tend to be medium or medium-fast. Only Miami and IW are ever slow. Every other top tornament HC is medium or above. So you think it was slow like Miami. It had far more snap on it than Miami did.

KINGROGER · Jun 17, 2018

ReeceSachs said:
More court speed conspiracies. Their is not a slow slam off Clay. Hardcourt tend to be medium or medium-fast. Only Miami and IW are ever slow. Every other top tornament HC is medium or above. So you think it was slow like Miami. It had far more snap on it than Miami did.

It was slow enough for Nadal to be able to retrieve winners as if he was playing on a clay court.

Mustard · Jun 17, 2018

mike danny said:
Well, given that Fed and Nadal met once again in a non-clay slam 3 years after 2009, there was not much Federer could do to figure out Nadal. I mean, Wimb 2009, USO 2009 and AO 2010 could have been his best chances in that time frame, but Nadal didn't show up in any of those matches.

Er, what about the 2010 and 2011 US Opens? Federer had 2 match points against Djokovic to reach the final on both occasions, with Nadal reaching the final from the other half on both occasions. That's rather closer than the events you mention.

zagor said:
Yeah, it nonsense. 2012 Rosol played an amazing match and could have been a handful for everyone but that's about it, the rest of those guys would have been haindled routinely by any of Fed, Novak and Murray in solid form.

Even in his peak/prime days on grass (when he was much younger) Nadal used to struggle with grass journeymen in the first week, that's mostly unique to him. He just used to win all those matches (compared to losing all of them since 2012) because he was younger and faster, more athletic and his body recovered better from his packed schedule during the CC season.

Borg often had certain troubles at Wimbledon, apart from 1976. Examples are Edmondson, Gerulaitis and Connors in 1977, Amaya in 1978, Amritraj and Tanner in 1979.

Nadal's best Wimbledon was 2008. Even the tough Gulbis match at 2008 Wimbledon, Nadal never felt vulnerable in that like he did in other Wimbledon matches in other years like Kendrick 2006, Soderling 2007, Haase and Petzschner 2010, Muller and del Potro 2011, and often dished out beatings in 2008 even on grass. He gave Youzhny and Murray a real pummeling. Muller is a real nuisance for Nadal on grass though, beating Nadal at 2005 and 2017 Wimbledons. Nadal did beat Muller at 2011 Wimbledon, but Nadal had to play at a very high level to win the first 2 sets in tiebreaks or he was going out there too.

mike danny · Jun 17, 2018

Mustard said:
Er, what about the 2010 and 2011 US Opens? Federer had 2 match points against Djokovic to reach the final on both occasions, with Nadal reaching the final from the other half on both occasions. That's rather closer than the events you mention.

Borg often had certain troubles at Wimbledon, apart from 1976. Examples are Edmondson, Gerulaitis and Connors in 1977, Amaya in 1978, Amritraj and Tanner in 1979.

Nadal's best Wimbledon was 2008. Even the tough Gulbis match at 2008 Wimbledon, Nadal never felt vulnerable in that like he did in other Wimbledon matches in other years like Kendrick 2006, Soderling 2007, Haase and Petzschner 2010, Muller and del Potro 2011, and often dished out beatings in 2008 even on grass. He gave Youzhny and Murray a real pummeling. Muller is a real nuisance for Nadal on grass though, beating Nadal at 2005 and 2017 Wimbledons. Nadal did beat Muller at 2011 Wimbledon, but Nadal had to play at a very high level to win the first 2 sets in tiebreaks or he was going out there too.

Federer in 2011 USO lost to the same guy Nadal barely won a set against in the final. And Fed still almost won. Not the best example.

BeatlesFan · Jun 17, 2018

News reports claim Nadal will begin practicing on grass in Majorca tomorrow.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/nadal-to-tune-up-for-wimbledon-in-majorca

abmk · Jun 17, 2018

weakera said:
I couldn't care much less about the result of the match. Unlike most Federer fans on this forum, my admiration of the sport and spectacle extends well beyond neediness and vicarious living through either Nadal or Federer's win-loss or results.

Bottom line - you'd have to be really ignorant or blinded (2-for-2 here) to think Stan was anywhere near his "top form."

coming from someone with a username weakera , LOL !

We're (I mean TTW users here) not dumbasses to believe the BS you are sprouting in the bolded part.

Stan was near his best possible form vs Federer on a non-clay court. Not Federer's problem if Djoko's style allows Stan to play better.

Edit :

Constantly referring to federer as Grandpa and then BS like this ...early 2018 during the AO ...

weakera said:
The US Open surface is way too slow for Grandpa to ever sniff a USO title again. He is only capable on very fast surfaces now.

yeah, in 2017, he only thrashed Nadal on a slow HC in IW , losing only 5 games , beat an in-form Stan in the final as well. Won IW losing no set..

beat Nadal convincingly on an even slower, higher bouncing HC in Miami in straight sets. This after a 3+ hr high quality classic vs Kyrgios in the semis...

but hey fed was only capable on very fast surfaces in 2017 and wouldn't have a shot vs Nadal on the USO surface if he had not got injured in Montreal and you are the fountain of objectivity ?
LOL !!!!!!!!

Mustard · Jun 17, 2018

mike danny said:
Federer in 2011 USO lost to the same guy Nadal barely won a set against in the final. And Fed still almost won. Not the best example.

I fancy Nadal to win more than Federer in that hypothetical 2011 US Open final. Federer didn't get there.

Deleted member 77403 · Jun 17, 2018

BeatlesFan said:
News reports claim Nadal will begin practicing on grass in Majorca tomorrow.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/nadal-to-tune-up-for-wimbledon-in-majorca

It means he is giving it a go.

Vamos Rafa Nadal · Jun 17, 2018

BeatlesFan said:
News reports claim Nadal will begin practicing on grass in Majorca tomorrow.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/nadal-to-tune-up-for-wimbledon-in-majorca

So happy to hear this!

I hope he is well enough to play really well!

I believe he can win, which is not the same as saying he will!

mike danny · Jun 17, 2018

Mustard said:
I fancy Nadal to win more than Federer in that hypothetical 2011 US Open final. Federer didn't get there.

I am not talking about their hypothetical match on that occasion. That's an entirely different topic.

I was just explaining why Federer didn't reach the final. Switch the draws and put Djokovic on Nadal's side of the draw and Nadal would have failed to reach the final as well.

Again, not the best example you could come up with.

Can Nadal win Wimbledon one more time?

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