It shouldnt be political at all but Serena tries to make it like that with this never ending gender and racism card.
Serena Williams
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Tennis_Hands
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The interesting part is that her explanations were perfectly pitched to the listener.
She appealed to her being a woman in front of a woman, trying to find compassion, and attacked other men, in front of of a man, trying to get him defensive.
I am not saying that it was deliberate, but, wow, just how deep the roots of the indoctrination go?
She appealed to her being a woman in front of a woman, trying to find compassion, and attacked other men, in front of of a man, trying to get him defensive.
I am not saying that it was deliberate, but, wow, just how deep the roots of the indoctrination go?
Do you know any other occasion when umpire was called a thief? Everything else is more tolerable as "thief" implies intention. I heard player saying "are you blind", but this is not comparable as it does not imply intention.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Taling about rationality and then invoking God has to be the height of self-contradiction!
I really begin to think there is more potential in WTA now. Still far away from the golden years off Hingis,Capriati,Mauresmo,Clijsters,Henin.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
It's called "prep". The word Serena used herself.
I'm just surprised she actually listened to anyone!
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You may not have noticed, but the world is not a land of milk and honey where bad things never happen.
Bumping this up
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Just don't break any raquets and all will be fine.
Purplemonster
Hall of Fame
What a ripper of a post, top notch. Clever.
roysid
Hall of Fame
I still can't get how can anyone defend Serena. She abused the umpire, the winner was in tears and didn't enjoy her first grand slam win.
Her humanity was only restored at the end seeing Osaka suffer. Come on, this girl's first slam win is spoiled through out.
And Serena why always she has issues when she's losing. It's a global pattern
Her humanity was only restored at the end seeing Osaka suffer. Come on, this girl's first slam win is spoiled through out.
And Serena why always she has issues when she's losing. It's a global pattern
BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
Wow, not going to get your respect as a person? Think she's going to be able to carry on after such a big blow?
albertobra
Hall of Fame
Ohhhh that was sexist. Please use the word 'gameswomanship' next time, especially on any Serena thread.
Berasategui94
Semi-Pro
Just sexism? No racism involved?
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
This is the crux of Serena's problem. She has no idea how to just calmly argue with someone without screaming and finger pointing. And she has a huge victim complex and a lot of cards to play.
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Ramos enforced the rules. That’s all.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
He's always been a stickler for rules. Here's a list of calls against the top male players:
http://larrybrownsports.com/tennis/...istory-code-violations-serena-williams/463180
– In 2017 at the French Open, Novak Djokovic was given a fault on his serve by Carlos Ramos for time violations. He then received a code violation for unsportsmanlike conduct after yelling.
– In 2018 at Wimbledon, Ramos gave Djokovic a code violation for slamming his racquet into the ground. Djokovic later complained about a double standard from Ramos, who did not penalize Kei Nishikori for something similar.
– In 2017 at the French Open, Ramos called a time violation on Rafael Nadal. Nadal thought the call was selectively enforced and said he was not satisfied with it.
– In 2016 at the French Open, Ramos called Nick Kyrgios for a code violation for yelling at a towel boy. Kyrgios accused Ramos of having a double standard and was described as “mystified” by the penalty.
– In August 2016 at the Olympics, Ramos called Andy Murray for a code violation for saying “stupid umpiring.”
– In July 2017, Ramos called Andy Murray for a time violation for playing too slowly. Murray acknowledged he had been warned before receiving the violation but was still bothered by it.
http://larrybrownsports.com/tennis/...istory-code-violations-serena-williams/463180
– In 2017 at the French Open, Novak Djokovic was given a fault on his serve by Carlos Ramos for time violations. He then received a code violation for unsportsmanlike conduct after yelling.
– In 2018 at Wimbledon, Ramos gave Djokovic a code violation for slamming his racquet into the ground. Djokovic later complained about a double standard from Ramos, who did not penalize Kei Nishikori for something similar.
– In 2017 at the French Open, Ramos called a time violation on Rafael Nadal. Nadal thought the call was selectively enforced and said he was not satisfied with it.
– In 2016 at the French Open, Ramos called Nick Kyrgios for a code violation for yelling at a towel boy. Kyrgios accused Ramos of having a double standard and was described as “mystified” by the penalty.
– In August 2016 at the Olympics, Ramos called Andy Murray for a code violation for saying “stupid umpiring.”
– In July 2017, Ramos called Andy Murray for a time violation for playing too slowly. Murray acknowledged he had been warned before receiving the violation but was still bothered by it.
Carlos, a sincere thank you for having the guts to stand up and call it like it is!
Tennis_Hands
Banned
If they don't enforce the rules they are at fault, if they enforce the rules, they are at fault.
The poor umpires cannot catch a break.
The code violation was for coaching. Her coach's response was that he was coaching "like 100% of coaches in 100% of matches." So Serena is coached routinely in her matches, and a lot of other players are too if her coach is to be believed. If everyone does it they regard it as a technical breach which you get away with if you can rather than cheating. It's not something the sport regards as a particular serious offence either given that the penalty in the first instance is a warning. Rather than pretend professional athletes are morally pure individuals people should just accept they generally push the rules of the games they play to the edge and beyond to obtain an advantage.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Well, there you go, I thought he was too quick with the code violation and so we now see he has quite the history of reaching for his red pencil.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Her coach doesn't speak for her and he even claims that she did not see him trying to coach her.
roysid
Hall of Fame
If she hadn't interview ed Patrick immediately who admitted to coaching, imagine the outrage. Because by then Serena s PR engine would have denied all coaching. Now as it is, it's egg on her face.
Some of the defense I am seeing is so idiotic that I'm disgusted.
- Serena: you stole a point from me, I've never received coaching.
Patrick : everyone does it including uncle Toni and Rafa.
Most horrible behaviour by Serena. She should have been banned imo
And the defense is, men have done that.
And the end, the biggest victims are Ramos and osaka. The image of Osaka sitting with towel all over her head is so haunting. Like a zombie whose legeitileg win was booed because of this horrible person.
And again , thanks to Pam shriver.
Some of the defense I am seeing is so idiotic that I'm disgusted.
- Serena: you stole a point from me, I've never received coaching.
Patrick : everyone does it including uncle Toni and Rafa.
Most horrible behaviour by Serena. She should have been banned imo
And the defense is, men have done that.
And the end, the biggest victims are Ramos and osaka. The image of Osaka sitting with towel all over her head is so haunting. Like a zombie whose legeitileg win was booed because of this horrible person.
And again , thanks to Pam shriver.
Badabing888
Hall of Fame
Nah too close a bond between them.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Laughable.
(your meddling, in case you thought of throwing in one of your "witty" retorts).
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
That's accurate enough, but then there is the very officious offficial in Ramos who has quite the history of awarding code violations as quick as he can.
moonballs
Hall of Fame
The coaching violation shouldn’t have been called in a grand slam final. What’s the big deal really? I completely agree with espn commentators on this. It is poor judgement selectively enforcing the rarely enforced rule in a grand slam final.
The second violation is double standard. The guys destroy racquets all the time. Do they always get a violation? Even Djokovic, the most likely champion, did it in an searlier round in this tournament. I don’t think male and female players should be paid the same. But I do think the rules should be applied the same way.
Third violation was fair and square. But because of the first two, the game penalty was not reversible and it was sad outcome of a great match Osaka played.
I respect Serena but I wouldn’t call myself a huge Serena fan. I root for the player in Serena matches based on the situation and yesterday I was rooting for Osaka. I think the Serena bashing on this thread is a bit too harsh.
roysid
Hall of Fame
Serena tirade started every time her serve got broken. The first warning had nothing to do with them.
1st time broken: Racket abuse and point penalty
2nd time broken: umpire abuse and game penalty on Osaka serve. Osaka might have won the serve and got to 5;-3 anyway
After all these commotion which disturbed Osaka, Serena could easily hold her serve and made it 4-5.
Without warning also, Serena loses
1st time broken: Racket abuse and point penalty
2nd time broken: umpire abuse and game penalty on Osaka serve. Osaka might have won the serve and got to 5;-3 anyway
After all these commotion which disturbed Osaka, Serena could easily hold her serve and made it 4-5.
Without warning also, Serena loses
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Ramos sounds like a Russian name to me, so he must be a meddler.
Laughable.
(your meddling, in case you thought of throwing in one of your "witty" retorts).
Bukmeikara
Legend
My impresion about him was that he was a man that knew his tennis but after checking his twitter and the shameful way of him creating the narative that the "umpire was wrong and Serena was saint" .... I hope he gets some kind of karma back
He's been her coach for years and if he says he coaches her routinely in matches I'm inclined to believe him. He has no motive to implicate himself in a dubious practice, but she has a motive to exonerate herself from one. "Thou dost protest too much" is the usual descriptor for someone whose reaction is as shrill as Williams in this case when the vision shows clear signaling from the coach, and the coach says he does it all the time.
Stretchy Man
Professional
This seem to be where western culture is heading. Intolerance of criticism at any level. Universities restricting freedom of speech because someone may take offensive. I feel a Bill Burr style rant coming on but Bill Mayer will do just as well:
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
At U.S. Open, power of Serena Williams and Naomi Osaka is overshadowed by an umpire’s power play
by Sally Jenkins,
The Washington Post
What any clear, hate-free mind witnessed:
Key point #1:
Irrefutable truth. As I--and anyone who followed the sport more than the ages of certain TWW members, Serena did not do anything different than innumerable players I tennis history. Sorry Hooded Haters, but her reaction is nothing compared to outbursts from Nastase, McEnroe, Connors cursing out anyone in sight with McEnroe's violent behavior injuring a fan), cursing out umpires and fans like Sharapova, Jim Courier violently shaking the chair umpire (nearly causing him to be pitched from the seat), or the unforgivable racist tirade against James Blake and a linesperson who happened to be the "wrong" color by the vile Lleyton Hewitt (who should have been banned from the sport for his attack...but was not). Nowhere near yesterday's incident, no matter how much you want it to be that way. So for Ramos to effectively shift the course of a majors final strongly suggests he either hates Williams (for any number of despicable reasons), or as the article points out, he could not stand a woman asserting her rightful opinion to him. Take your pick.
Key point #2:
Of all players in history--female or male to not need on-court coaching, that would be Serena. You do not reach her kind of success by having constant whispers in your ears; a player faces some new and some familiar opponents at any turn, and there's no way to take all of their possible reactons or strategies into consideration enough that it would matter--unless one is a low-skilled player (I will leave them nameless for now). Moreover, there's more than enough players in the WTA and ATP who do receive on-court coaching, but how often are they being penalized?
Key point #3:
So, let's see...Nadal threatening Ramos' job security (and the threat meant exactly that) was less egregious than "You're a thief?" Bullsh*t--so once again, it all goes back to what can only be Ramos' motivations / reactions, and by comparison, he barely slapped Nadal on the wrist for a greater, personal threat to his livelihood.
Key point #4:
If was a thief--his sticky fingers were motivated by sickening beliefs. I will let the Serena haters / Ramos defenders try to spin that anyway they can, as failed a mission that will be.
by Sally Jenkins,
The Washington Post
What any clear, hate-free mind witnessed:
Key point #1:
Irrefutable truth. As I--and anyone who followed the sport more than the ages of certain TWW members, Serena did not do anything different than innumerable players I tennis history. Sorry Hooded Haters, but her reaction is nothing compared to outbursts from Nastase, McEnroe, Connors cursing out anyone in sight with McEnroe's violent behavior injuring a fan), cursing out umpires and fans like Sharapova, Jim Courier violently shaking the chair umpire (nearly causing him to be pitched from the seat), or the unforgivable racist tirade against James Blake and a linesperson who happened to be the "wrong" color by the vile Lleyton Hewitt (who should have been banned from the sport for his attack...but was not). Nowhere near yesterday's incident, no matter how much you want it to be that way. So for Ramos to effectively shift the course of a majors final strongly suggests he either hates Williams (for any number of despicable reasons), or as the article points out, he could not stand a woman asserting her rightful opinion to him. Take your pick.
Key point #2:
Of all players in history--female or male to not need on-court coaching, that would be Serena. You do not reach her kind of success by having constant whispers in your ears; a player faces some new and some familiar opponents at any turn, and there's no way to take all of their possible reactons or strategies into consideration enough that it would matter--unless one is a low-skilled player (I will leave them nameless for now). Moreover, there's more than enough players in the WTA and ATP who do receive on-court coaching, but how often are they being penalized?
Key point #3:
So, let's see...Nadal threatening Ramos' job security (and the threat meant exactly that) was less egregious than "You're a thief?" Bullsh*t--so once again, it all goes back to what can only be Ramos' motivations / reactions, and by comparison, he barely slapped Nadal on the wrist for a greater, personal threat to his livelihood.
Key point #4:
If was a thief--his sticky fingers were motivated by sickening beliefs. I will let the Serena haters / Ramos defenders try to spin that anyway they can, as failed a mission that will be.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Tee hee....
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
If America has a problem, then that's America's problem. Western culture is doing fine.
Andy Miller
Rookie
This was Williams' third high-profile conflict with an official at Flushing Meadows, following her tirade after a foot fault in the 2009 semifinals against Kim Clijsters and a dispute over a hindrance call in the 2011 final against Sam Stosur. Anyone see a pattern here no wonder nobody likes her except NY fans
That's some seriously silly article here and ,believe me, I am not being sexist, it's just a metter of fact assessment..What's the so called "proof" to do with what happened yesterday? what happen yesterday was that this terrible jerk called Serena Williams kept on abusing that umpire guy till he was, finally, forced to do what he would be supposed to do i.e. his job and apply the rules. Everything is to do with sexism nowadays it seems. Even when a woman in a position of power abuses and humiliates a guy who is trying to do is job, even this apparently, has something to do with sexism, was the consequence of what??.. Of sexism, of course!
Kalin
Legend
Come on, now... Ramos is not there representing the male gender, he is representing the umpiring profession. No umpire should be required to take such crap from anyone. And yes, I have been an umpire myself. Getting abused from entitled players is no fun and, more importantly, prevents the umpire from doing his/her job properly. Hence, the penalties for umpire abuse are usually very severe. As I mentioned in another thread, other sports are much stricter; people get thrown out immediately for much milder behaviour.
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