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Injured Again
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I hit for about half an hour this morning with the prototype string, just very easy baseline rallies. The string is a low powered, fairly muted, but crisp feeling string. Definitely designed to be a control-oriented string for someone who can supply their own power.
BBender716
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It's actually a new racquet that came with fresh cyclone mains and signum firestorm in the crosses (don't know the tension).
What's I'm used to playing with is a very similar racket (Wilson 6.1 95S) with VS Gut mains 58lbs and RPM Blast crosses @ 52lbs.
So probably should go with 45/48 or 47/50 yeah?
tennisaddict03
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That's great! I'm excited to check it out and promote it! I'm also curious to try out your other strings out but it's going to be hard to top the Neon Hybrid. I do appreciate the name of the Irukandji string. I think you should have more string names that might synergize with a snake theme. If I might suggest as an example: excellent purple could be changed to purple venom.
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I like the name "Purple Venom"! Excellent Purple is underrated if you ask me. It's a very good string and SUPER low powered and control oriented. It's a great option for players using very low tensions. You will get the spin that way and control will remain high.
As a silly side note, the color and packaging of Irukandji white reminds me of Miami Vice, so when it was still a prototype I suggested the name "Grapplesnake Vice"! Never heard back
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Yes, if you're comfortable with lower tensions. Given your open pattern, maybe the area around 52M/55C could be a good option, also.
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BBender716
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New racket is 16x19 (on a 95sq in frame) so it's not toooo open, but point taken
Maybe then I'll try a 50/53. To be honest, I've never gone below the tension recommendation so not sure how comfortable I am with it or not!
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New racket is 16x19 (on a 95sq in frame) so it's not toooo open, but point taken
That should be appropriate, then!
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One thing I would like to thank you all for, now that we hit our one month mark, is all the help via word of mouth. It has allowed of to be very successful within our short time in the US.
We are growing steadily and I am so confident in our strings; they deserve to be successful. But we don't have the resources to compete with the "big dogs" in terms of marketing. What we have is great strings, our website and your guys's reviews. And it's working great so far. Please keep supporting our brand, our website, and this thread.
We are always available for questions, and we also have our Prototype string in transit from Germany. I will announce its official name once it arrives. A limited amount of Demo Sets will then be available for play-testers to review and you can already sign up via email if you are interested.
Again, thank you!
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We are growing steadily and I am so confident in our strings; they deserve to be successful. But we don't have the resources to compete with the "big dogs" in terms of marketing. What we have is great strings, our website and your guys's reviews. And it's working great so far. Please keep supporting our brand, our website, and this thread.
We are always available for questions, and we also have our Prototype string in transit from Germany. I will announce its official name once it arrives. A limited amount of Demo Sets will then be available for play-testers to review and you can already sign up via email if you are interested.
Again, thank you!
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liftordie
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Agree. I am in total confidence at 24/25kg (53/55lbs).
tennisaddict03
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New racket is 16x19 (on a 95sq in frame) so it's not toooo open, but point taken
If you think about it logically, you most likely have played at a lower tension at some point. For example, when you string up the racket at 55 lbs, it will come off the stringer around that same tension. After a a few hours, the tension drops maybe 2-3 pounds to stabilize. Then as you hit with the string, the tension is decreasing more and more because you are stretching the strings with each hit. By the end of day 1, your strings will end up going from lets say... 53 to 51, the next hitting session maybe 51 to 49, and around three or four times, the string seems to get used to the stretching so the tension decreases more slowly.
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Just clarifying that 45M/48C isn't a standard. It is always going to depend on head size, stiffness, pattern, environment and personal preference. I personally use it at 50M/53C in my 16x19 and 46M/49C in my 18x20, in the summer.
If anything, I would say that the only way to do the Neon Hybrid a disservice, would be to string the CES mains too tight. Just careful with that, since they are rather firm.
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Doubles
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I received my sets today, but with the end of the semester approaching, I might not get to really hit until early May. I think I'll start with the Cube hybrid then try CES. Irukandji will have to wait because I normally only use gut/poly hybrids in the colder months.
Since I use a 98 18x20 I'll likely go with 45/47.
Since I use a 98 18x20 I'll likely go with 45/47.
Injured Again
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After a few hits with the prototype string, it seems to have relaxed and bit and now plays much better. Power levels have come up a bit, and grip on the ball is better as well. When it was first strung, the strings wouldn't securely grip the ball unless I firmly swung through the contact point. Now I can skim the ball and it will grab it and pull it up over the net with a higher launch angle and more spin.
There is the start of notching in the mains, with about two hours of play on the stringbed.
There is the start of notching in the mains, with about two hours of play on the stringbed.
liftordie
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I have a set of that Prototype to try but I really can't imagine that it could grab the ball as the Neon Dust hybrid did....
I'm insanely in love with that hybrid!!!!!!!
And I tried SO MANY strings to find THAT feeling and performance!!!!!!!!
I'm totally grapplesnaked!!!!!!!!!
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Love that term. You just got Grapplesnaked!
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Holdfast44ID
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You are not allowed to switch strings for one year.I have a set of that Prototype to try but I really can't imagine that it could grab the ball as the Neon Dust hybrid did....
I'm insanely in love with that hybrid!!!!!!!
And I tried SO MANY strings to find THAT feeling and performance!!!!!!!!
I'm totally grapplesnaked!!!!!!!!!
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Injured Again
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I have a set of that Prototype to try but I really can't imagine that it could grab the ball as the Neon Dust hybrid did....
I'm insanely in love with that hybrid!!!!!!!
And I tried SO MANY strings to find THAT feeling and performance!!!!!!!!
I'm totally grapplesnaked!!!!!!!!!
It doesn't create as much spin as a new stringbed of Neon Dust hybrid, but it isn't too far off. Launch angle is a bit lower as well. But at first, the prototype string would let the ball slide off the strings on a skimming type hit, and the ball would end up in the net. After about an hour, it grabs the ball much better and those same shots now clear the net. I could possibly be something I'm doing subconsciously but it doesn't feel like I'm swinging any differently. It definitely also has a bit more pop after that first hour.
In all honesty, the Neon Dust hybrid produces balls pretty similar to Hyper-G. Compared to Hyper-G, Neon Dust is a bit more powerful and definitely more muted and comfortable when mis-hitting. Neon Dust was capable of generating more spin when it was new, but it didn't seem to age as well over time and by the time I cut out the Neon Dust, I was getting more spin out of the Hyper-G stringbed that had about the same or maybe a bit more hours of play in it. Some of this may have been that I need to string the Neon Dust a bit tighter, since I tend to prefer low powered, high control stringbeds but that can still grip the ball well. I'm asking for a lot.
On a slightly different note, testing the lightweight prototype string has confirmed to me that I prefer the way my racquet plays when I use a lighter string and add the weight back at 3 and 9 o'clock. The SW104 doesn't have a particularly large sweetspot considering its weight and head size, so the added twistweight helps with that. I've got 6 inches of lead tape now and it feels great.
liftordie
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Exactly!!! And I strictly don't want to!!!!!!You are not allowed to switch strings for one year.
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Neon Dust hybrid is a diabolic weapon for red clay spin player!!!!!!!
Especially now that I start to play outdoor with higher temperatures!!!!!!!
I will DESTROY THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!
liftordie
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I'm not agree with all your analysis.It doesn't create as much spin as a new stringbed of Neon Dust hybrid, but it isn't too far off. Launch angle is a bit lower as well. But at first, the prototype string would let the ball slide off the strings on a skimming type hit, and the ball would end up in the net. After about an hour, it grabs the ball much better and those same shots now clear the net. I could possibly be something I'm doing subconsciously but it doesn't feel like I'm swinging any differently. It definitely also has a bit more pop after that first hour.
In all honesty, the Neon Dust hybrid produces balls pretty similar to Hyper-G. Compared to Hyper-G, Neon Dust is a bit more powerful and definitely more muted and comfortable when mis-hitting. Neon Dust was capable of generating more spin when it was new, but it didn't seem to age as well over time and by the time I cut out the Neon Dust, I was getting more spin out of the Hyper-G stringbed that had about the same or maybe a bit more hours of play in it. Some of this may have been that I need to string the Neon Dust a bit tighter, since I tend to prefer low powered, high control stringbeds but that can still grip the ball well. I'm asking for a lot.
On a slightly different note, testing the lightweight prototype string has confirmed to me that I prefer the way my racquet plays when I use a lighter string and add the weight back at 3 and 9 o'clock. The SW104 doesn't have a particularly large sweetspot considering its weight and head size, so the added twistweight helps with that. I've got 6 inches of lead tape now and it feels great.
For me, Neon Dust plays pretty similar for 8/9 hours before I break it.
I'm agree with you when you said it plays better at higher tension, 24/25kg for me. It provides perfect mix of spin/power/control/comfort.
That hybrid is a pure win.
Injured Again
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I ordered a set of Neon Dust and have strung it up for someone else to try. They were looking for a very spin-capable string but wanted more power than they were getting from Volkl V-Torque. This guy is a pretty high level player but doesn't hit the ball as hard as I do, so it'll be interesting to see what he thinks of the durability and playability as the string ages.
It is interesting that I felt kind of the same way about the regular Cube. It felt great for about six hours and then playability seemed to change in the same way. I also ordered some sets of Cube and will retry it at a higher tension to see if the qualities of the fresh stringbed last longer. Much of the time, I'm hitting the ball harder and flatter - I only try to put on enough spin to shape the trajectory into the court. I'd rather use ball speed rather than ball spin to win points, but when I do try to spin it hard, I want that grip too. Possibly because I'm hitting flatter and harder than you, I'm relying on a different aspect of the elasticity of the stringbed than you do because you hit a lot of spin. In your case, you're displacing specific strings sideways more than I do, whereas I displace the entire stringbed more from the flatter hit.
Here's a raw video I took of groundstrokes while testing the Pure Drive VS. I'm sure that's a lot flatter swingpath than you have. Somewhere around half way through, I step back and try to lift and spin the ball more but had little luck in timing it well with as much wrist pronation as I was trying to use. It would be interesting to know how your strokes and swingpath compare, and maybe that would help others in better figuring out what tensions and what strings to use.
It is interesting that I felt kind of the same way about the regular Cube. It felt great for about six hours and then playability seemed to change in the same way. I also ordered some sets of Cube and will retry it at a higher tension to see if the qualities of the fresh stringbed last longer. Much of the time, I'm hitting the ball harder and flatter - I only try to put on enough spin to shape the trajectory into the court. I'd rather use ball speed rather than ball spin to win points, but when I do try to spin it hard, I want that grip too. Possibly because I'm hitting flatter and harder than you, I'm relying on a different aspect of the elasticity of the stringbed than you do because you hit a lot of spin. In your case, you're displacing specific strings sideways more than I do, whereas I displace the entire stringbed more from the flatter hit.
Here's a raw video I took of groundstrokes while testing the Pure Drive VS. I'm sure that's a lot flatter swingpath than you have. Somewhere around half way through, I step back and try to lift and spin the ball more but had little luck in timing it well with as much wrist pronation as I was trying to use. It would be interesting to know how your strokes and swingpath compare, and maybe that would help others in better figuring out what tensions and what strings to use.
Holdfast44ID
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Can CES Neon Dust be ordered in single sets/reels? I have two reels of X-Perience 17 that might pair well as a cross.
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liftordie
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I think you could have some troubles on red clay against a heavy spin player.....
You have to try the Excellent Purple from Grapplesnake. Of course you have to.
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CES can't be purchased separately. The Hybrid comes in single sets (6m+6m) and 2x Half Reels (100m+100m). If you want to use a multi as a Cross along with one of our strings in the Mains, I would recommend Excellent Purple for maximum durability, Cube, or Prototype (name will be announced this week!).
Hope it helps,
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liftordie
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He means CES only...
Holdfast44ID
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Yes. That is what I meant.He means CES only...
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Erlang
Rookie
What would you recommend to a 4.0 baseliner with a topspin based game and occasional touch shots?
I'm a long time Hyper-G user who likes its tension maintenance and comfort level. Tour Bite was a tad too stiff for me.
A buddy of mine who plays a similar game and uses Poly Tour Pro also wants a recommendation
I'm a long time Hyper-G user who likes its tension maintenance and comfort level. Tour Bite was a tad too stiff for me.
A buddy of mine who plays a similar game and uses Poly Tour Pro also wants a recommendation
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Injured Again
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I think you could have some troubles on red clay against a heavy spin player.....
You have to try the Excellent Purple from Grapplesnake. Of course you have to.
I already know that is true. I've never played on red clay (it's on my bucket list) but I have hit against a guy who came to our Club from Europe and was a prospective pro player at one time before his knee just wore out on him. I'd never faced that level of topspin plus ball speed before, and he was only about 5'9" and 150 pounds. I actually did okay against him as long as I could get to the ball in time to hit it on the rise. I was able to get enough ball speed on our medium-fast hard courts to prevent him from aiming the ball into the corners with his spinniest shots, but once he got a ball on his forehand where he had some time, the point was 100% over either on that ball or on the following ball. At age 57, I can't get around the court fast enough any more to get everything on the rise, and standing 15 feet back and hitting shoulder high balls isn't my game.
I'm pretty sure the Excellent Purple isn't a good all-around string for me. I like highly shaped poly strings because when I try to hit an extremely spinny shot, I want as much spin as I can get. I was a playtester for Diadem Flash, which sounds similar to Excellent Purple, and the only time I would use something like that would be during our doubles league season, when I would actually try to play like a doubles player and use placement and direction above spin.
liftordie
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But you hit flat the most of the time.... And you never play on clay!!!.....
Sorry but I really don't understand your logic.
Have fun...
liftordie
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Neon Dust hybrid. Of course.
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I would give both of our Hybrids, and Cube at try. Cube has been very well evaluated by players in the 4.0 or UTR 6-7 range.
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Injured Again
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When I had the Neon Dust hybrid in one of my racquets, I had Hyper-G 1.30 in my other racquet. I did a lot of back to back comparisons.
I strung up Hyper G using 48 pounds in the center mains and 46 pounds in the center crosses. Because of the softer cross string, I strung up the Neon Dust with 48 pounds in the center mains and 49 pounds in the center crosses.
When new, the Neon Dust was more spin capable than the Hyper-G when it was new. Neon Dust generated a bit more ballspeed on spinny shots than Hyper-G, though when hitting the ball flatter, the ball speed was relatively the same. Neon Dust and Hyper-G feel pretty similar when hitting the sweetspot, but Neon Dust is less jarring and more muted when mis-hitting. Incoming ball spin sensitivity is pretty similar, and I thought control was pretty similar as well, both in terms of directional accuracy, ball speed, and on touch shots.
Hyper-G lasted longer with good playability for me, but that may be because I need to string the Neon Dust a bit tighter. A couple of pounds would probably have yielded a few more hours without trampolining, though by the 10 hour mark the Neon Dust was notched probably a third of the way through. The thicker Hyper-G is notched a bit less after about 12 or so hours.
If you like Hyper-G, I think the switch to Neon Dust would be an easy one. Same launch angle, more spin capability, a bit more ball speed, more comfort, but possibly less playability duration. However, that might just be me. When my son and I practice a couple of times every week, we open two cans of balls and hit non-stop at pretty high ballspeeds for 90 minutes, and we both take most every opportunity to try and hit winners past each other.
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True that I don't hit a ton of top - I'd estimate I'm somewhere around 1200-1500 RPMs on both forehand and backhand in normal hitting like in that groundstroke video. But there are times when I try to hit with more spin. Here's one example - this is a video again of when I was testing the Pure Drive VS and I had the ball machine set to maximum underspin. The ball bounce is maybe a foot/30 cm off the ground at contact, and I am trying to bring it up and down while hitting the ball around 70 mph/115 kph. This was my first time trying that shot with the PDVS so I figure out how to do it better after a couple of minutes. I use the maximum amount of wrist pronation I can to rotate the head of the racquet upwards through the hitting zone on this shot.
Two other times when I use the maximum spin I can generate. One is when someone puts a ball high and deep. If I have to, I'll drop back and loop it back with maximum topspin. The second time is when I get a low and short forehand. Because I'm not as fast as I used to be, I'll often try to hit a maximum topspin shot with lots of net clearance and not a whole lot of speed, looping it down the line so I can approach the net hopefully high on my opponent's backhand. The slower ball speed lets me actually get to the net. This shot requires a high launch angle for me to be effective, and again is another time when I need the string to give me the maximum spin capability. When I catch them well, I'm probably close to 3000 RPMs, which is what many pros hit as a normal rally ball.
liftordie
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ionelneica
New User
Hello. I use multi mains with co poly crosses. Tension is 23/20 in my prestige pc600. Is excellent purple ok as cross? Irukandji is too expensive for me.
Erlang
Rookie
Neon Dust hybrid. Of course.
Thanks for the responses
I'll try the hybrids and Cube.
Nostradamus
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Can you guys make something similar to RPM blast 17 or 18 G string but with more spin ? Thanks
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That would be a very good option. Don't string it too tight, since it's very low-powered and control oriented. I think it's a very good option at an excellent price.
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Did you end up liking Cube? What I can do, is place a request to Germany to produce the string in a thinner diameter. The other thing to consider is that Prototype is thinner and definitely worth a try once it becomes available. Doesn't really feel like RPM, but I am sure you will like it.
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Nostradamus
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I hit with cube and it had no feel. way too thick. 1.20 mm would have been perfect. Nice thing about RPM blast is that it has ton of power for poly but if you hybrid it with multi, it loses some spin potential
Erlang
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The package says it's 1.18 mm
But in reality it feels thicker than that, due to its Square profile, and the way string diameter is measured in Europe. That is the number, and changing it would really defeat the purpose of the standard measuring method. That is why we have this stated here and in our website, in the product description.
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I'll see if we can make it happen in a thinner gauge!
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Nostradamus
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It is in Reality about 1.30-1.32 mm in thickness. and that is the truth.The package says it's 1.18 mm
