UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
So...
Your stubbornness to accept facts is in no way related to your fandom of Federer?
Just asking.
"Today's 33 is our 27." - Ivan Lendl explaining the Great Age Shift in tennis.
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Your stubbornness to accept facts is in no way related to your fandom of Federer?
Just asking.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
I didn't make up these numbers.
over28 in the top100:
1990 - 15
1991 - 11
1992 - 11
1993 - 17
1994 - 23
1995 - 19
1996 - 22
1997 - 18
1998 - 24
1999 - 23
2000 - 26
2001 - 24
2002 - 27
2003 - 26
2004 - 28
2005 - 23
2006 - 27
2007 - 27
2008 - 30
2009 - 40
2010 - 37
2011 - 43
2012 - 43
2013 - 49
2014 - 51
2015 - 55
2016 - 56
2017 - 58
2018 - 52
current - 53
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
I asked you specific questions and I don’t see a reply to that . This has nothing to do with Fed fans .
Berdych , Ferrer , Tsonga have gone down and Anderson , Isner , Stan , Cilic , Murray and others are quickly following
FiReFTW
Legend
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
What's the point here? That players are able to maintain a high level much later than they used to?
I think this is clear. But it does not mean you should at 38. So, not relevant to the Fed discussion.
I think this is clear. But it does not mean you should at 38. So, not relevant to the Fed discussion.
Winners or Errors
Legend
Are we sure it's not just a function of a decade of players lacking talent? I mean, what if the current generation ends up dominating the lost gen and we end up with fewer 30+ year olds in the top 100 ten years from now? How will people spin that one?
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
They went down way after the 26 age mark.
Here... Explain this...
over28 in the top100:
1990 - 15
1991 - 11
1992 - 11
1993 - 17
1994 - 23
1995 - 19
1996 - 22
1997 - 18
1998 - 24
1999 - 23
2000 - 26
2001 - 24
2002 - 27
2003 - 26
2004 - 28
2005 - 23
2006 - 27
2007 - 27
2008 - 30
2009 - 40
2010 - 37
2011 - 43
2012 - 43
2013 - 49
2014 - 51
2015 - 55
2016 - 56
2017 - 58
2018 - 52
current - 53
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Dude, we have all seen the numbers. You have posted it like 10 times. They clearly show that ages don't mean the same. We get it, the game in which the quality decreases has increased significantly over the years.
Now, like many others have said, how many over 35? How many are still making slam finals at 38?
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Funny, coming from a Fognini avatar...
The irony, he won his biggest title aged 32 and reached top 10,
People are so in denial over GAS... just because of RF.
Let go of the RF worship and you'll all understand things a lot better. He is a great player but only human.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Fognini isn't better than ever lol. His stats are dogshit this year
He just got a worst Nadal he ever got at MC
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
I repeat things because clearly half of you are not reading the numbers, or fail to understand them.
38 is HUGE if prime is 20.
38 is great if prime is 25.
38 is pretty solid if prime is 30.
38 is nothing if prime is 38.
Capiche?
As the prime goes up, the number 38 becomes less impressive.
This is literally Maths 101. I can't make it any simpler.
I am not saying 38 isn't impressive, just saying it's LESS impressive.
Make an effort to understand what I just posted.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Desperation.
Should we ask Fognini on this? Gilbert? Mac? Lendl?
Ah yes... they are all clueless. You know better.
Fognini winning his first M1000 and reaching top 10 is clearly inferior to his years ranked 30...
coolboarder
Rookie
Honestly, with the way this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if Federer wins a GS title at age of 44, 6 years later, that is if he doesn't retire.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Me neither. I predicted his career going to early 40s a decade ago. Nobody believed me.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, it is less impressive, yet still impressive as no one has yet to do it. Just like 14 slams was impressive, now it is less impressive. But still impressive nonetheless.
So until I see others doing what Fed has done, it is still very impressive. I mean, who before Fed was doing this? Where is the guys before him that played late at a high level?
It will be even less impressive if Rafa and Djoker do it at 38 as it will be 5 years further on this "new age" path, and they won't have any ATG's to deal with.
Capiche?
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
I can't capiche bad logic. Call it a character flaw.
No one has done it because NOBODY EVER was 38 in an era when prime was so high up as now.
Capiche?
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
You're right... Tennis isn't about big titles and ranking, it's about reaching 3 QFs in a row at 500/250 events.
You are so correct.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
At least tennis in 2019 is doing better than your reasoning skills
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
The young gen is incredible s**t hence one off runs like Isner Miami, Fognini MC, Anderson USO and Wimb , lopez Queens are seen as a paradigm shift
However the truth is Big 3 are different league than other tennis players and the rest all stink so badly
The younger gens stink like pigs while the next gen is only like horse poop
However the truth is Big 3 are different league than other tennis players and the rest all stink so badly
The younger gens stink like pigs while the next gen is only like horse poop
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Problem is, certain people think these players are better. They think Isner, Fognini, and Anderson are much better all of the sudden...
Oh and Fed has reached his prime...
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Still no top 10 players aged 35+ other than Federer. Berdych, Ferrer, Tsonga all beset with injuries and permanently declined. Murray, del Potro badly struggling with injuries, unlikely to reach the top again. Wawrinka has struggled, back to top 30 now but making the top 10 is dubious. Djokodal will likely join Fred a few years later but that's it.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
The way Goffin got mauled today was embarrassing . He has made major QF multiple times , reached finals of YEC , top 10 player and he got all of 4 games
Now what has this got to do with age shift ? How is this not a weak era ? Zverev needs 5 sets every match , Nishikori is losing to De Minaur , Thiem and Tsitsipas lose to Fabbiano
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Coming from you, a compliment.
But sucking up to me won't change the verdict regarding your "expertise"...
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Shouldn't Goffin be getting better? Not worse?
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
So you choose to focus on Goffin losing today...
... but completely ignore this?
over28 in the top100:
1990 - 15
1991 - 11
1992 - 11
1993 - 17
1994 - 23
1995 - 19
1996 - 22
1997 - 18
1998 - 24
1999 - 23
2000 - 26
2001 - 24
2002 - 27
2003 - 26
2004 - 28
2005 - 23
2006 - 27
2007 - 27
2008 - 30
2009 - 40
2010 - 37
2011 - 43
2012 - 43
2013 - 49
2014 - 51
2015 - 55
2016 - 56
2017 - 58
2018 - 52
current - 53
Because clearly Goffin's loss today trumps all these numbers.
Laughable. And I mean hilarious-guffaw laughable.
Do you understand what these numbers mean? If not, tell me, and I will TRY to explain...
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Really enjoyed the video especially as I remembered these guys playing each other.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Best 4 80s players being interviewed by each other. Awesome.
Some day we'll have the Big 4. Hope it'll be a 5-hour special. And that Rafa's English improves enough that he can keep up with Murray and RF.
Well... just RF.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Player age is a bad metric.
What you need to do is plot player careers over time and see when they have their best years. It's almost all in the 20s, and basically no absolute top players achieving career highs in their 30s, and those that do don't even improve their stats.
AceSalvo
Legend
Its easy to put the blame on 33+ Big 3 when its evident almost all of those mentioned in your post are not even active at the moment. The TV talkies don't want to put all the blame on the "I deserve everything by doing almost nothing" Next Gen. It won't look nice for the ATP. Not that it does even now.
DonPepe
Rookie
but look at the womens game
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I liked that last time you posted it, and I like it now. It's relevant!
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Good grief, whatever Roger is doing right now is a preview of what many other players will do in the future. His success right now is possible good news for Djoval, which Djokovic already acknowledged recently in public. There is no reason to mock or try to diminish what he is currently doing, but what the other two are doing is going under the wire more than a little bit. And while people try to make out that the WTA is a different thing, there is and always has been a huge difference between the time line at which a woman's and man's body develops over time. Even so, what SW is doing right now, after having a child, carrying extra weight, no longer moving her best, should also be a wake-up call.
accidental
Hall of Fame
Can someone please provide a list of the total number of top 100 players over age 28 for every year since 1990?
Can’t seem to find this info anywhere
Can’t seem to find this info anywhere
Art Vandelay
New User
I don't think such a list exists. If it did, surely someone would've posted it by now.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Ah, so you are still reading my posts - I thought you had me on ignore.
Do you concede your Godwin's Law error in the the other thread?
prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
Boy, Lendl is in really poor shape. For a former top athlete, he really stopped taking care of himself.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
Yes, I generally agree. There's definitely been an age shift. But, I think it's been magnified by the Big 3, meaning that while there's definitely a shift generally, they shift for the Big 3 is even bigger. To put it another way - I expect more players because of GAS to have their best Slam performances or win Slams later than in previous eras. But, I don't expect players generally to follow the Big 3 and still be winning Slams or having their best performances in their mid 30s. So, the average player now peaks later than previous eras, but I don't expect them to keep that up as long as the Big 3. GAS isn't universal at one level - I still think they'll still be plenty of players who "age out" around 30 (which is later than it used to be) and if they keep on playing won't ever get back to their peak level.
Did this make any sense, lol. The shift is real, but on average not as broad of a shift as it is for the Big 3.
TimeToPlaySets
Legend
To what is the GAS attributed?
Poly?
Poly?
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
OP, thanks for the video though .nice to see the champs .
D
Deleted member 307496
Guest
Didn't read most that wall of text but you're wrong. The younger generation just aren't good enough. Raonic is nearly 30... don't tell me he's "near his peak" or some stupid crap.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
The other guys look good. Mac and Wilander are pretty naturally small-framed and lithe - though they obviously take care of themselves. Boris, with his tree trunk legs and general natural thickness could have been a candidate to blow up, but he looks like he's stayed in shape.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
You already sound angry.
Do you experience tennis personally, as if rackets were part of your body?
Relax, it's just a game, not a religion.
Never said Raonic's gen wasn't weak. It is. But we've had weak generations before. Nobody born between 1961-1964 won a slam, that's a whole 4 years. The 1977-1979 gen was crap too, just one slam title there. The 1989-94 generation hasn't done anything yet but one of them might.
And you can't deny the NUMBERS. The prove that age has gone up all across the board.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
I never use the ignore button. That's for sulky children. Plus I like to be amused by foolishness and bouts of anger.Ah, so you are still reading my posts - I thought you had me on ignore.
Do you concede your Godwin's Law error in the the other thread?
Regarding Godwin, I already told you he's an idiot.
But perhaps you had me on ignore hence missed the post...
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