Should Djokovic AO Win have asterisk?

Should Nole’s AO win have an asterisk?

  • Yes, draw ridiculously easy, no ATG oppo

    Votes: 10 17.9%

  • No, slams are slams.

    Votes: 46 82.1%
  • Total voters
    56
Nadalgaenger

Nadalgaenger

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Obviously it shouldn’t, BUT many Thiem haters trashed Thiem’s USO even when Nole’s draw at this AO is easier than Thiem’s USO. They will likely have had two common opponents (assuming Medvedev takes care of business). Thiem struggled more with Zverev BUT dominated the rest of his opponents (including FAA, de Minaur, and Medvedev). He also defeated a former USO champ in Cilic.


For the record, slams are slams, even if Djokovic has had a cakewalk draw. I vote no asterisk!
 
Nadalgaenger

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
steenkash said:
I don't think anyone was saying Thiem's GS has an asterisk over it. Maybe 1 in 100,000
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Have you read this forum at all over last few months? Or years?
Most common TTW argument: This early slam of Fed or this Nadal USO shouldn’t count because of weak draw...
 
The Blond Blur

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
No asterisk. It's not Joker's fault Timmy has turned into a bigger disappointment since becoming a schlem champ, or that Zedrot choked like the MUG he is.

And he still has to beat one of City Bus or Mad Lad (most likely Mad Lad) in the F.
 
PeoplesChamp

PeoplesChamp

Legend
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
He has struggled against Nadal on hard courts a lot in the last seven years so his elimination was such a huge sigh of relief.
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Everyone knows that (the h2h on HC last few years)and you'll get likes for an obvious post from the usual suspects. Anyway, Prime Novak and smiling post match interview Novak showed up as soon as Nadal hit the road. Fact.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
PeoplesChamp said:
Everyone knows that (the h2h on HC last few years)and you'll get likes for an obvious post from the usual suspects. Anyway, Prime Novak and smiling post match interview Novak showed up as soon as Nadal hit the road. Fact.
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Makes sense that a post match interview smile is more telling than pummeling someone for 19 consecutive sets straight. Ditto to how prime Novak still manages to show up to this day at nearly 34 while someone else's prime allegedly died at least 11 years ago, never to be resurrected again.
 
PeoplesChamp

PeoplesChamp

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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
Makes sense that a post match interview smile is more telling than pummeling someone for 19 consecutive sets straight. Ditto to how prime Novak still manages to show up to this day at nearly 34 while someone else's prime allegedly died at least 11 years ago, never to be resurrected again.
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All ATG's have prime performances. There's a difference ya know. Federer had prime performances like 2017 IW for example. Bottom line here is Djokovic is supposed to be home right now or barely standing. Instead, he turned back the clock and miracously healed after Nadal choked to Tsithead.
 
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njhmusicman

Semi-Pro
If you put an * on Thiem's grandslam win then I might put one on Novak's if he wins but if you don't put one on Thiem's then you shouldn't put one on Novaks
 
Beckerserve

Beckerserve

Legend
Nadalgaenger said:
Obviously it shouldn’t, BUT many Thiem haters trashed Thiem’s USO even when Nole’s draw at this AO is easier than Thiem’s USO. They will likely have had two common opponents (assuming Medvedev takes care of business). Thiem struggled more with Zverev BUT dominated the rest of his opponents (including FAA, de Minaur, and Medvedev). He also defeated a former USO champ in Cilic.


For the record, slams are slams, even if Djokovic has had a cakewalk draw. I vote no asterisk!
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Thiem is asterisked due to the final which was the worse Major final quality wise in history and just highlighted too mental midgets trying their best to choke.
 
Beckerserve

Beckerserve

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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
Makes sense that a post match interview smile is more telling than pummeling someone for 19 consecutive sets straight. Ditto to how prime Novak still manages to show up to this day at nearly 34 while someone else's prime allegedly died at least 11 years ago, never to be resurrected again.
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What happened at the FO ? And last USO meeting ? Majors and best of 3 set matches are chalk and cheese.
 
Beckerserve

Beckerserve

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PeoplesChamp said:
Everyone knows that (the h2h on HC last few years)and you'll get likes for an obvious post from the usual suspects. Anyway, Prime Novak and smiling post match interview Novak showed up as soon as Nadal hit the road. Fact.
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So is Djokovic now scared of Nadal on HC as if what u say is accurate then it suggests FO2020 did even more damage than we thought.
 
PeoplesChamp

PeoplesChamp

Legend
Beckerserve said:
So is Djokovic now scared of Nadal on HC as if what u say is accurate then it suggests FO2020 did even more damage than we thought.
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I don't think he wanted to play Nadal fresh off a RG trouncing. Now that Djokovic is back in control of things or so it appears, that feeling has passed imo. The dynamic was there I think, but short lived because Nadal couldn't make it to him.
 
TennisManiac

TennisManiac

Hall of Fame
I voted asterisk. Novak is always given easy draws because of his #1 ranking. But I guess that's the advantage of having the #1 ranking. The ATP needs to stop handing the #1 ranked player the easiest draws in majors. Why in the hell do they do that? :confused:
 
UnderratedSlam

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Gaston Gaudio is slam-less. It's official.

We have now reached the point where we strip players of slams.

First we asterisk them, then we shame them, then we strip them officially of the titles.

Then we shame them again.

Many slam winners are such losers...
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
PeoplesChamp said:
All ATG's have prime performances. There's a difference ya know. Federer had prime performances like 2017 IW for example. Bottom line here is Djokovic is supposed to be home right now or barely standing. Instead, he turned back the clock and miracously healed after Nadal choked to Tsithead.
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Glad we agree on prime stuff.

Djokovic didn't look bothered against Zverev either. Much tighter match is no surprise since Sascha is obviously a lot more dangerous than Karatsev.
Beckerserve said:
What happened at the FO ? And last USO meeting ? Majors and best of 3 set matches are chalk and cheese.
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If you think Nadal would have beaten Djokovic in this year's AO final if he made it too, despite everything that's happened between them on hard courts in the last nine matches, I won't try to convince you otherwise.
 
Hitman

Hitman

Bionic Poster
TennisManiac said:
I voted asterisk. Novak is always given easy draws because of his #1 ranking. But I guess that's the advantage of having the #1 ranking. The ATP needs to stop handing the #1 ranked player the easiest draws in majors. Why in the hell do they do that? :confused:
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He had Wawrinka, Zverev and Thiem in a row BEFORE the final....you think that is the organizers giving him an easy draw?
 
RaulRamirez

RaulRamirez

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Hitman said:
He had Wawrinka, Zverev and Thiem in a row BEFORE the final....you think that is the organizers giving him an easy draw?
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I really don't think that many people have any sense of objectivity.
On paper, I think that Novak had, probably, the toughest draw of the Top 4 seeds.
One can debate if (going in) if Zv or Tsit was the toughest QF opponent - both are certainly tougher than Rublev or Diego.
R of 16 (whether Raonic or Stan) was as tough as any of the Top 4 seeds faced.
Even the R of 32 was no gimme.
And yes, either Med or Thiem would be a tough semi...semis are supposed to be tough, but Thiem, of course, won the last HC major and was last year's runner-up.
To some, not only was Novak given a cake draw, but he cheated by being in pain after taking a fall (after being up two sets to love) and refusing to stretch for certain balls and get any torque on his shots.

Next, I'm expecting a thread saying that Barty was given a murderous draw.
 
Hitman

Hitman

Bionic Poster
RaulRamirez said:
I really don't think that many people have any sense of objectivity.
On paper, I think that Novak had, probably, the toughest draw of the Top 4 seeds.
One can debate if (going in) if Zv or Tsit was the toughest QF opponent - both are certainly tougher than Rublev or Diego.
R of 16 (whether Raonic or Stan) was as tough as any of the Top 4 seeds faced.
Even the R of 32 was no gimme.
And yes, either Med or Thiem would be a tough semi...semis are supposed to be tough, but Thiem, of course, won the last HC major and was last year's runner-up.
To haters, not only was Novak given a cake draw, but he cheated by being in pain after taking a fall (after being up two sets to love) and refusing to stretch for certain balls and get any torque on his shots.

Next, I'm expecting a thread saying that Barty was given a murderous draw.
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Had to change one of the words.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Of course not.
Thiem's US Open was a good one, don't think the final ruins it.
 
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