Nadal_King
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I think murray in 2013 was great, is Medvedev's level as good as that
Is currently Medvedev level hogher than all of Murray's past Aus open campaigns?
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TearTheRoofOff
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Let's wait and see what he brings to the final. If it's a big white flag, then no dice.
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Well, if Murray's peak level at the AO was really 4/10, then I believe it is higher.
mike danny
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Let's see how the final plays out first. Hasn't 2019 taught us anything?
2012-2013 Murray was very good and he was up against a better Djokovic too. So, I'm gonna say no for now.
If Meddy can replicate what 2012 Murray did, then maybe. He is up against a worse Novak too so what's stopping him?
2012-2013 Murray was very good and he was up against a better Djokovic too. So, I'm gonna say no for now.
If Meddy can replicate what 2012 Murray did, then maybe. He is up against a worse Novak too so what's stopping him?
mental midget
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not sure but his level is very high. i guess murray probably moves better but i'd give serve to medvedev and honestly game IQ is a close call.
Nadalgaenger
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Let’s judge after the final.
My two cents: Medvedev will go down as an ATG on HC. I see him winning 7-8 slams on HC.
My two cents: Medvedev will go down as an ATG on HC. I see him winning 7-8 slams on HC.
Zardoz7/12
Hall of Fame
Medvedev is currently on a 20 match winning streak, he's beaten 11 top 10 players in that run. With all due respect to Murray, who I really do respect, I can't remember Andy doing anything like this.
Daniil's level for me is very high, if he can beat the Serbian wall (always comes back) that's a whole other ballgame.
Daniil's level for me is very high, if he can beat the Serbian wall (always comes back) that's a whole other ballgame.
BGod
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He'll win 2-3, maybe.
killerboss
Professional
Lmao no. It's just weak era. Prime Murray would easily beat the mugs of today.
Julian Houston
Semi-Pro
Med level is higher with that counter punch style which hurts everyone. Murray don't have weapons to hurt any big 3.
RS
Bionic Poster
Fake Djokovic fan.
mike danny
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mike danny
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Au contraire. He had the best record against younger Big 3 before Thiem took over against the older declined Big 3. And he had a bit more firepower than Meddy too.
UnderratedSlam
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He didn't pick his opponents.
He did beat 1, 2 and 3 at WTF, and has a long winning streak...
Talent wise, Med is some way ahead.
Mentally Andy was one the toughest. Fed would've won more majors if he were as tough. Nadal's mental fragility was on display a few days ago against Tsisipas, just the latest of such displays (I might add)!
Medvedev pretty much melted down against Thiem last year at USO.
Mentally Andy was one the toughest. Fed would've won more majors if he were as tough. Nadal's mental fragility was on display a few days ago against Tsisipas, just the latest of such displays (I might add)!
Medvedev pretty much melted down against Thiem last year at USO.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
There were no crowds however... He never melted a year earlier at USO with crowds screaming.
RS
Bionic Poster
Even in the AO 12 SF?
Sport
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No, Tsitsipas played better. Nadal did not show any "mental fragility". Mental fragility is having match points or at least being leading the last set and losing it. Nadal had 0 set points in the 3th set and was never leading in the 3th, 4th or 5th sets.
How many match points did Nadal miss against Tsitsipas? Was Nadal leading Tsitsipas in the 3th set?
"The lattest of such displays" LOL. Losing a match in 5 sets is not a sign of being "mentally weak". Was Federer mentally weak for losing the Wimbledon 2014 final in 5 sets? No. Was Djokovic mentally weak for losing to Thiem the RG 2019 SF in 5 sets? No. As I said, mental fragility is choking, and to choke you need to be in a clear winning position (missing match points or losing after leading the final set).
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NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
Tennis has evolved since Murray’s time. Today’s players are stronger and faster than ever, all serve huge, hit missiles from both sides.
RS
Bionic Poster
So that hurts Djokovic because Murray was one his main rivals.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Nadal missed 2 easy overheads and an easy FH in the 3rd set TB. that's mental fragility.
Not as much fight in him in the 4th and 5th set as he could give.
Sport
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Unless you are leading the final set or you have match points, missing shots is not mental fragility, it is part of the sport. Nadal only made 1 easy error in the tie-break (the overhead), the rest were normal errors in a sport of errors like tennis.
Tsitsipas served well in the 4th and 5th. Credit to him. In these fast conditions, having a huge serve helps, and Nadal lacks such a powerful serve.
abmk
Bionic Poster
no, 3 easy errors - 2 overheads (one at the net and one from the baseline) and 1 FH. Go and check the TB again.
Tsitsipas serving well does not mean Nadal couldn't have fought better in the 4th and 5th.
NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
Nadal was playing prime tennis, he just can’t cope with the evolved nextgen of players.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Negative
NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
What's sure, Medvedev has more weapons to hurt Djokovic than Murray ever had. Will he use them is another question.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Sport
G.O.A.T.
I guess this evolved, peak version of Djokovic we saw at RG 2020 couldn't handle this evolved version of Nadal and that explains the loss in 3 sets.
NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
No shame in that. Nadal on clay is a god, he would beat anyone at RG
Djokovic is better on hard courts and grass and tennis as a whole
Sport
G.O.A.T.
First, let him reach 20 Slams.No shame in that. Nadal on clay is a god, he would beat anyone at RG
Djokovic is better on hard courts and grass and tennis as a whole
RS
Bionic Poster
So nextgen are even better than Murray and maybe 2015 Federer?
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AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
...lol. Medvedev will have to straight-set Oldovic on Sunday for me to consider this, so practically impossible.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Lol. This "Oldovic" is now serving better than ever. Stop acting like he declined.
RS
Bionic Poster
Yeah it will depend on Sunday.
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NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
Nadal needs 300 weeks and 6 YE#1 first
NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Everything else about him did, it's all about the assortment of mugs and chokers this era provides masking it.
Rebel-I.N.S
Hall of Fame
Murray’s 2016 end-of-year run was insane.
Probably the best post-USO streak the game’s ever seen. He racked up a 28 game winning streak before losing in early January.
Medvedev might well surpass him but let’s not re-write history.
RS
Bionic Poster
Ah i see.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Muzz wouldn't be troubled by his serve and he'd be slicing Med all around the court, making him get down low for everything and get even less power on his shots than he already has.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Next Gen vs Murray would have been fun just to see how they'd do.
It's already fun against Zverev.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
That Cincinnati match last year was... something.
Won't be disappointed at all if that one turns out to be his last top 10 win tbh. What better way to cap off those wins than with a classic Zverev disasterclass?
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