RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
LOL
You are right. That was lame but it was in good fun. I believed Nole couls do it.
2021 US Open SF: [1] Novak Djokovic vs. [4] Alexander Zverev
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You are right. That was lame but it was in good fun. I believed Nole couls do it.
gogo
Legend
I guess we won't see you anymore then. Good luck in your future endeavors!
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Ok, so I exaggerated a bit. Sue me!
the point is that most of the analysis in this site (weak eras, bad next gen, domination of older players, homogenization) goes away without the big 3. it’s the Big 3 (and Novak now as the last of them still contesting slams) that skew all the results. Without them we would have long ago had an orderly succesion of generations, several other players would have been ATGs (and possibly players some here like to call mugs), Sampras would likely still have the slam record, and no one would be dominating across all surfaces
The Fedfather
Legend
Zverev's exact thoughts as he went a double break down in the 5th
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Sure, but if they need 3 guys 2-3 generations older to retire for them to win just 1 slam, it doesn't sound like they're great players.Ok, so I exaggerated a bit. Sue me!
the point is that most of the analysis in this site (weak eras, bad next gen, domination of older players, homogenization) goes away without the big 3. it’s the Big 3 (and Novak now as the last of them still contesting slams) that skew all the results. Without them we would have long ago had an orderly succesion of generations, several other players would have been ATGs (and possibly players some here like to call mugs), Sampras would likely still have the slam record, and no one would be dominating across all surfaces
FedrMatt
Professional
I love how they’re trying to inflate the competition, yet every single argument they give falls flat
Omega_7000
Legend
Djokovic had to deal with Fedal when he was young. Federer got to deal with the likes of Baghdatis Roddick Bjorkman Kiefer etc.
Using Federer as a comparison is terrible, if anything, use Nadal as a comparison would serve a better argument
Shut the front door with that nonsense.
Djokovic has a 6 year age advantage over Federer and is another goat contender. At that level a gap of 6 years is enormous.
If Federer was playing now, he would also be sweeping the next gen trash.
If Federer had to deal with a 6 year older Djokovic, he would be dominating that rivalry....Djokovic started beating Fed regularly when Fed was 32/33 and had broken all records already
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
We have a unique, dominant player who just made the USO final and going for the biggest prize in tennis. Maybe you would enjoy another sport if you don't find him or any of these other players interesting?
FedrMatt
Professional
Djokovic had to deal with Fedal when he was young. Federer got to deal with the likes of Baghdatis Roddick Bjorkman Kiefer etc.
Using Federer as a comparison is terrible, if anything, use Nadal as a comparison would serve a better argument
Djokovic would be losing regularly to prime Baghdatis, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Nalbandian, Ferrero, Kiefer and most of the top 20 from 2004-07 right now.
Man you salty. LoL
FedrMatt
Professional
a 2HBH baseline pusher is “unique”? Lol
FedrMatt
Professional
I’m literally not hahaha
I’m just correcting delusional comments. You guys love projection.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
I would enjoy a young Federer or Nalbandian. Medvedev is not an entertaining player. He’s a lanky defensive pusher. You should be jailed for comparing him to a prime Federer.
BayAreaBooster
Rookie
The Next Gen have been woeful competing in Grand Slams. What good would it be if Zverev finally gets past a limping Novak when he is 38? Legends like Sampras, Fed and Novak did it the hard way i.e. beating the top-dog of the previous Era.
Zverev is undeniably talented and phenomenally skilled. He just misses the extra 1% of self belief and mental fortitude that separates the Big 3 from the rest. He should look in the mirror and will himself to get better and work even harder.
These youngsters need to step up and prove themselves soon otherwise their victories will be hollow. Just winning in Masters 1000 or world tour finals ain't gonna fix anything.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
What a moronic argumentDjokovic had to deal with Fedal when he was young. Federer got to deal with the likes of Baghdatis Roddick Bjorkman Kiefer etc.
Using Federer as a comparison is terrible, if anything, use Nadal as a comparison would serve a better argument
And like every other Fed hating moron, you're just throwing out rabdom names like a bozo.
Djokovic has also dealt with the likes of Anderson, Berrettini and Karatsev. How come you don't mebtion them?
The Federer comparison is perfectly valid as they've both had easy and stronger periods, but Novak has had it easier for far longer than Fed, 8 years and counting now.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
There’s no need to fall apart like this man.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Dude I'm not about to argue with you on this. You're clearly salty and need to release some steam. Find another hapless victim.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I don't know, man, you're just saying this because you're a Djokovic fan. If Federer was in this position, I'm sure you'd be complaining about the tour as well, like how 2017-2018 was.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Where did I compare Medvedev to Federer? LOL.
You are projecting your subjective opinions as objective facts in order to bolster your narrative.
You act like the world just stopped producing tennis players all in an effort to inflate Dojo's stats. The current generation of players are great, but they just have a three headed buzz saw Fed, Nad, Joker to deal with. It is really unprecedented. In 5 years one of these players will have 5 plus slams on their resume and people will be talking about how great they are.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Nobody will be talking about how great they are because the new expected standard is 20 slams. Anything less is subpar.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Djokovic had to deal with Fedal when he was young. Federer got to deal with the likes of Baghdatis Roddick Bjorkman Kiefer etc.
Using Federer as a comparison is terrible, if anything, use Nadal as a comparison would serve a better argument
Federer was dealing with Agassi, Nadal(05 onwards), Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Ferrero, Nalby, Davy
Imagine the rubbish in your mind to bring up Roddick, Bjorknan, Kiefer before bringing up Agassi, Nadal, Hewit, Safin etc.
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
Yep.. They all got big slam wins and destroyed the beliefs of their predecessors directly and kicked them to the curb by and large. These last 2 gens of mugs failed to do so.. So thus when they do starting gobbling slams they will be shallow victories and no one will care. We'll just say "What the hell, you had to wait for the Big 3 to become geratric to finally win something of note?
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Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
Nadal is the only one who always had it tough. I don't remember a period when he was beating mugs for years and yearsWhat a moronic argument
And like every other Fed hating moron, you're just throwing out rabdom names like a bozo.
Djokovic has also dealt with the likes of Anderson, Berrettini and Karatsev. How come you don't mebtion them?
The Federer comparison is perfectly valid as they've both had easy and stronger periods, but Novak has had it easier for far longer than Fed, 8 years and counting now.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
This is nothing like 2017-2018 though, at least in quality. This tournament has been great. I remember hardly anything about 2017 USO besides Nadal winning. 2018 was better with the Thiem/Nadal classic and Del Potro's quality but it still wasn't on the level of this USO.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Wah, wah wahI love how they’re trying to inflate the competition, yet every single argument they give falls flat
Whitelight
New User
A prime Djokovic is 10 times better player than each of them.
abmk
Bionic Poster
ghanta great. Forget ATG level, they are not even at Hewitt/Roddick/Safin/Murray/Wawa level. (maybe Thiem might just make it)
Two gens of utter mediocrity in slams till now (Fail gen and new gen so far)
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
I hope there's some justice and Medvedev shuts Djokovic's fans mouths
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
There are two options. Either we think the Big 3 are unique, once in a lifetime type of players. Or we think hundreds, possibly thousands, of players saw their level drop relative to what was expected of them. i choose the former. Once you take out the Big 3 the whole debate changes.
caesar66
Professional
Ah yes, I forgot about Prime Jonas Bjorkman, scourge to young GOATS everywhere.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Exactly
Ignoring any debate about just how high a level Novak or his opponents have displayed in this calendar slam – what strikes me is just how monumental this has all been as a feat of mental strength. Novak’s back has been against the wall over and over, and every time he comes through. Every. Single. Time. You can tell he’s fighting his own nerves, you can see how tight he’s gotten at times, and it’s just incredible to watch the way he pushes all that aside and basically wills himself to a win. It’s gotta be a mind boggling amount of pressure he’s under, and its mind boggling that he hasn’t buckled beneath it.
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FedrMatt
Professional
What have I said that’s false?
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
If Novak plays like this in a season like 2012 he wins no slams. In 2021 he almost has 4. The weak era theory is justified.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
FedrMatt
Professional
As a previous comment said, even without the presence of Novak, the main competitors (Z, Tsitsipas etc) would all still be on 0 to 1 slam
fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
First week was great. Many enjoyable matches on mens and womens side (I've been watching a lot) . QF onward on mens side has been ****.
FedrMatt
Professional
This is 35 year old Novak, not prime.
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Deleted member 748597
Guest
Idk about him, but I wouldn't spam this forum with salty stupid posts every day.
Not talking about you.
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Deleted member 748597
Guest
He turns 35 in May.
abmk
Bionic Poster
He was talking about the years 17-18, not particular USOs.
2017 USO was weak on men's side, but it did have the delpo-Thiem thriller. Not the problem of others if you can't remember it.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
I definitely think peak Roddick, Hewitt, Safin would be able to get him once or twice, but come on. You said this:
Let’s not even get into the other names you listed lol. You’ve essentially said he would not only lose in 2004-07, he would lose regularly to the rest of the top 20, aka he would be a middling 12th ranked player or something in that era. Joking or what?
FedrMatt
Professional
The exact same people trying to inflate the credentials of Novak’s 2020-2021 competition are the same people that were complaining in 2017-18.
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