ATP500 Barcelona 2024 - NADAL vs DE MINAUR
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Znak
Hall of Fame
Likewise. They've done so much for the sport and yet they get spat on on their way out. People projecting their insecurities. And then they whine about tennis having no competitors.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Just changed my vote to ADM in 2.
Dominic & Andrey
Legend
Mr Boulter won in the end.
RS
Bionic Poster
That return game at 4-5 in the first was key
mike danny
Bionic Poster
messiahrobins
Hall of Fame
2nd set was a car crash and will be interesting to hear why, was that deliberate to ease off or did he feel something.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Thought Nadal would try to push things, but looked a bit more reserved and Alex was giving no slack. Again, Nadal and his team looked like this was in line for where they think Nadal is at, so that bodes well for RG. I do worry that Nadal is a very big confidence player, and I do think Barcelona was supposed to boost that, so a better showing and those issues are probably more than they hoped, or at least more than I thought we would see. But again, Alex is a BIG ask physically, which is the albatross around Nads neck right now.
I had Ruud in the finals in any case, so still plenty of good tennis to come.
RG will be one of the most unpredictable in a long while.
I had Ruud in the finals in any case, so still plenty of good tennis to come.
RG will be one of the most unpredictable in a long while.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Unforced errors was his biggest weakness in the match by a mile.
Phenomenal
Professional
Rafa is not in his desirable schedule. He and his team was expecting him to be reaching close to his best possible level by this time at the start of year in Brisbane.
He needs to fix few things and it's not easy to do that.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Not unexpected, he’s barely played in the last year and a half and it’s been 2 years since last played on clay. He just needs matches to get back into rhythm. I expect his form will improve over the coming weeks.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Why are we including Murray
RS
Bionic Poster
Makes Nadal look worse than he actually has he his moments in the first.
messiahrobins
Hall of Fame
He only decided Barcelona like 2 days ago lol.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
So somebody has done to Nadal what Nadal had been doing to everyone else for 2 decades.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
It's clay.
Nadal won 14 RGs, and De Minaur is pretty much a nothingburger player on the surface.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
I don't think you will ever hear Nadal say he deliberately held back, even if he was trying to manage himself a bit.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
Because Murray is an ATG.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
That's very unrealistic and unreasonable. I don't know why on god's green earth he played Brisbane. Should have directly started playing post AO.
albertobra
Hall of Fame
Alex fiz those teeth please.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Don't be obtuse, Murray has been a below average player for 7 years
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
1. It beefs up the stats for ADM a bit
2. Let's be honest, in the "if, if, if" universe of hypotheticals Murray pre-surgery would have also annihilated the dude on most surfaces
mike danny
Bionic Poster
RS
Bionic Poster
Not comparing to when he was young of course looks bad compared to just talking about the match progression in this match.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Nadal made a lot of UEs from balls he didn’t even have to move to reach. it’s not like he only lost hard to get balls that required a lot of movement.
messiahrobins
Hall of Fame
No he wont, but he may say he had a niggle, thats what im waiting to hear. If he says he feels good and no pain, this is all positive .
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I'd replace beef with inflate.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
Mustard
Bionic Poster
That's forced errors. Unforced errors you do yourself.
Bubcay
Legend
Yes, but after such a long break, what can one expect... He played better than I expected..
Spin Diesel
Hall of Fame
He should have ripped his shirt and shouted "who's the king of clay now"
messiahrobins
Hall of Fame
On BH side yes. Which is why i wonder if he felt something
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Not just BH. But maybe he did feel something. Only the team knows that
mike danny
Bionic Poster
To me there will always be a fine line between forced and unforced errors. Is an error extracted from insane defense unforced or forced? Hard to tell.
GodlessEndeavor
Semi-Pro
Nadal winners: 5 FH, 6 BH.
Nadal unforced errors: 20 FH, 21 BH.
Pretty balanced performance between forehand and backhand
Nadal unforced errors: 20 FH, 21 BH.
Pretty balanced performance between forehand and backhand
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
To be honest he kind of had that worried look on his face instead of the usual game face that he has.
PSNELKE
Legend
It's very positive that he feels good and has no pain. He's just old and washed
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
We were waiting for you! Somehow the party just isn’t the same when you aren’t around
Phenomenal
Professional
It was expected. I wouldn't have surprised any result today. I don't think we will see Rafa close to his possible best before RG.
But Rafa is trying and slowly improving. Being able to play and increasing intensity is positive thing.
De minaur is nightmare with this type of Rafa whose only chance is being super agressive with his movement. Actually i thought he started well in second but Demon kept defending well.
But Rafa is trying and slowly improving. Being able to play and increasing intensity is positive thing.
De minaur is nightmare with this type of Rafa whose only chance is being super agressive with his movement. Actually i thought he started well in second but Demon kept defending well.
messiahrobins
Hall of Fame
FH looked pretty good cross court and inside out, although DTLFH was way off. The BH and drop off in serve speed though is a concern for me as was De Minaur's body language at the end as he looked like an opponent who realised his opponent did something.
Be interesting to see what happens next.
messiahrobins
Hall of Fame
Lets see lol. Time will tell, until then stay pressed.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
Yeah, he should win every tournament he plays after almost not playing for 2 years and a half. Give me a break.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Not even close
Mustard
Bionic Poster
There can be a fine line. Forced errors are definitely caused by the opponent forcing pressure on you into making a mistake, while unforced errors are when the player makes an unexpected error.
NaDjoFed
Rookie
before the match started, more votes for Nadal winning. So yes, many people expected Nadal to win.
ojo rojo
Legend
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GabeT
G.O.A.T.
When he hit the FH well you could see traces of the Nadal beast. But I also noticed too many UEs from the FH, particularly from balls that landed close to his feet. and other FHs were slower than usual, giving AdM time to reach them, which would not have happened with prior versions of Rafa.
We will have to wait and see. May be just the process of getting rid of the rust and gearing back up. Or maybe there‘s injury issues that won’t go away
Phenomenal
Professional
Actually it was very positive just some bad luck.
Now of course It's positive that he played the event and he is on right track could have been worse too. But i'm saying that his team and he was not expecting to not play any tournaments after Brisbane. So againt it was setback. Don't think he played better than Brisbane now but he had countless issues.
I don't think he is worried at all by this match but overall we will see how fast or when he can improve his movement and other things.
GodlessEndeavor
Semi-Pro
There's also the element of a player feeling forced to go for winners , which ironically results in an "unforced" error.
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