Okay, last time through this...
This is basically nonsensical. Of course I judge the whole thing by what happens in the leagues and tournaments. The way NTRP ratings are determined is via league and tournament play. So for someone concerned with moving up a half point ranking with regards to NTRP that is what you should be concerned with. <g>
At the very least someone who claims to be a 4.0 ranking should be able to beat 3.5 league ranked players consistently - even if this is done on an informal basis.
Umm its not how the world works but its kinda how the NTRP rankings work. What's next your going to tell us the NASCAR points standing isn't about racing cars in NASCAR? Perhaps the MLB standings aren't REALLY about teams playing in the MLB?
Actually your rating is determined independently of what your thinking about yourself. <g> Think good or bad thoughts and you could move up and down the rankings. It depends on how you play - or for informal means how you do against your buddies who DO play in the leagues.
That's kinda the point of NTRP. You get this handy little label that tells you how good you are. It's established by comparing your results in playing various players to those players results of all his opponents and so on and so forth. Ideally by just playing a few matches you can compete with everyone in the leagues and tournaments - in a roundabout way. It's pretty smart - but not perfect of course.
I am saying basically its not so easy for most people to move up the rankings because it means that you have to be capable of beating most players. The rankings are relative.
The real results are rather depressing as people have indicated. Most people (though not all) get stuck around a 3.5 level. They play year after year perhaps thinking they have improved but in reality they wouldn't beat a larger percentage of the people who play tennis regularly in a match..
Most players would likely do best with consistent help from a pro or at least superior players. I have my doubts whether a large amount of the population can improve greatly via book reading or video watching. I get better results from a pro. Though perhaps very talented or young individuals don't need such help. And I haven't yet read all the books or seen all the videos to aid a tennis player..
Pete
as follows:
- NTRP definitely isn't all of tennis, and it really isn't all that accurate an indicator of how well you play or whom you can beat. In Colorado, they did away with 5.5 leagues and tournaments a few years ago...and as a result, all the former 5.5s slid down to 5.0, and all the 5.0s slid down to 4.5, and so forth.
And what about 5.5 and above? Is Federer a 6.9999? Is Nadal a 7.0? I'm sure those guys never think in those terms. One of my suggestions to the OP was "Stop playing NTRP. Go play some age group tournaments and see how that works. You won't have to fixate on whether you're a 3.5 or not, just on beating the guy on the other side of the net, which is kind of the point of tennis."
- NTRP doesn't look like a whole lot of fun to me, these days. It was originally a noble experiment by the USTA back in the 1970s, when tennis participation was waning, and the idea was to provide a fun but competitive tennis experience where people could play matches against other players with similar skills.
A nice idea, maybe, but perhaps unrealistic. On a daily basis, tour players struggle through the Futures and Challenger levels to get to the ATP, where they often get destroyed in the first round. You see lopsided tennis matches, double bagels and the like, at all levels of tennis, including the upper echelons. The news these days, on the USTA web site, in regards to NTRP is all about "dynamic NTRP" and "How you can be dynamically disqualified", which is happening because players are sandbagging their true abilities because...winning is everything, right?
Losing a tennis match is no fun, but it's a
game, for Pete's sake. If you win your next 4.0 league match, you're probably not going to get a wild card into Wimbledon, but if you lose it, they probably aren't going to take you out and shoot you, either.
- Finally, all I was saying about improvement was, regardless of whether you measure yourself by the NTRP scale or by whatever measure, if you want to get better, get going! Tennis is not really a team sport, regardless of what the NTRP would have you think, and it's really up to
you whether you get better or not. A good coach is a great help. I've been lucky enough to have, as my coaches over the last 4 years, two former Men's Assistant at Colorado University Boulder, the Head Men's Coach at CU, and the #2 player at CU. They've done a lot for me, and it cost a few bucks, but they didn't wave a magic wand over me and presto, my serve got 20 mph faster. I had to put in a lot of sweat, under their guidance, to make that happen. But I was already a 4.5/5.0 player when they got ahold of me, and getting to that level was just me figuring it out on my own, and working to be a better athlete and competitor.
Yep, it's true...lots of people get stuck at the 3.5 level. It's usually because they got wired in some bad stroke habits, poor court movement, and poor strategy on the way to 3.5. If you look at the NTRP level descriptions, it kind of implies that there is a steady continuum up through the levels. Not really, from what I've seen. Most 3.5 players are serving with a Western forehand grip, swinging at volleys, and pushing groundstrokes up the middle of the court. It's pretty easy to get to the 3.5 level with any collection of strokes. The problem is that if you get there with a bunch of fundamental problems, you have to unwire everything you have going on, and then rewire it with things that work. Not fun, but it can be done...as long as
you are willing to put in the miles...