Monte Carlo Masters 2013 - General Discussion Thread
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Murrayfan31
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It will probably end in Madrid if not sooner.
Its obviously not going to end sooner than Madrid but its true that Nadal has only won Madrid twice (and one of those was when Madrid was Indoor Hardcourt). Other than that, it will be difficult for anyone to take a set from Nadal at Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome, Roland Garros. And Wimbledon is a huge opportunity for Nadal, considering his constant ownership of Murray, Federer's poor form, and the streak Nadal has vs Djokovic. Nadal has won his last 3 meetings vs Djokovic, and will probably have the streak at 6 before Wimbledon begins.
forzamilan90
Legend
Brace yourselves...an armada of troll posts are coming
NSK to have a field day during clay season
NSK to have a field day during clay season
malbaker86
Hall of Fame
If the draw is based off last year, wouldn't it be Nadal-Djoker in the Quarters?
1) The draw is never "based off last year", it's based on random chance (or possibly rigged according to some), but either way how the seeds were aligned last year has no bearing on how the seeds will be aligned this year
2) Notwithstanding the above, Nadal will be the 4th seed at MC because of Federer's absence, meaning he couldn't possibly face Djokovic until the Semis at the earliest. There will be a 50/50 chance he's drawn in Djoker's half and Murray/Ferrer will be the other potential Semi, and a 50/50 chance Nadal is in Murray's half and Djoker/Ferrer would be the other potential Semi.
For tournaments like RG and probably the other clay M1000s where Fed will play and Nadal will most likely be seeded 5th, there will be a 25% chance that Nadal will be drawn in Djoker's quarter for a potential QF match-up (assuming no rigging), and a 25% chance he'll be drawn in either of Fed, Murray's or Ferrer's quarter.
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Murrayfan31
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Hope to see Nadal/Djokovic Quarters. WIll be entertaining to see.
I hope so, because that's the only way Nadal gets close to the number one ranking. Nadal-Djokovic QFs at all the masters and Roland Garros and Wimbledon is the best scenario for Nadal, and the worst scenario for Djokovic.
malbaker86
Hall of Fame
Just was told in the other thread Nadal will be 4th since Fed isn't playing. Doesn't matter, a focused Nadal should win this event
The weather right now is really bad in Monte Carlo, hope it will get better:
http://www.worldweatheronline.com/Monte-Carlo-weather/MC.aspx
http://www.worldweatheronline.com/Monte-Carlo-weather/MC.aspx
Just was told in the other thread Nadal will be 4th since Fed isn't playing. Doesn't matter, a focused Nadal should win this event
An unfocused Nadal will also win it. He is 2 whole notches above Djokovic/Murray right now.
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Nope. Monte-Carlo is as slow as you get. Perfectly suited to moonballing tennis.
moonballs
Hall of Fame
No. If their points are close then you are right. With such a big lead Djokovich has, it only hurts Nadal's climb to no1 by meeting the strongest opponent. I have a feeling the more they play against each other the more likely Djokovich is going to start beating him on clay.
Backbored
Hall of Fame
About as close to the ocean as you can get, without getting wet.
I did not know this....
Beginning in 2009, Monte Carlo became the only ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournament to not have a mandatory player commitment but most of the top players still elect to play the event.
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Blinkism
Legend
After a good week of rain like Monaco's getting right now, no. No, there is not.
Djokovic has nothing to hurt Nadal with, now that Nadal is slamming the backhand with such ferocity. And Nadal has won their last 3 meetings, and that will be about 7 in a row by June. The more Nadal meets Djokovic the worse it is for Djokovic's ranking points and the sooner Nadal can overtake him (whether that is this year or next year).
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Rafa has won it like 8 straight time. I would bet on Rafa again.
Nadal this year has had much better preparation than last year - that damaging 6 hour AO final, and withdrew from Miami semis in pain, and he still only lost at Madrid last year (and that was blue clay which is now extinct).
Relinquis
Hall of Fame
He's certainly the man to beat, but i think someone will be able to come up with the goods.
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
Clarky21
Banned
Who do you have in mind ? Want to share ?
Well, Cvac comes to mind. Delpo and Murray too. Maybe even Gulbis. There are several guys who can trouble or even beat Nadal on clay.
M
monfed
Guest
8 years have passed and Clarky21 still hasn't learnt. :lol:
Clarky21
Banned
We will see, but I know that Nadal will not be sweeping the clay season; Cvac will.
TheF1Bob
Banned
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
I guess Clarky's anti-jinxing powers are better than yours............
Relinquis
Hall of Fame
There are good candidates to pull a surprise* upset:Who do you have in mind ? Want to share ?
- Gulbis
- Gasquet
- and...
- ... Federer!**
Everybody C H I L L A X! I can explain, please bear with me...
Gulbis and Gasquet have been in form:
- Gulbis has probably the best chance of hitting through a clay court, while showing some finesse with drop shots. His movement lately has been explosive for big guy.
- Gasquet hasn't beaten Nadal since his pre-teens, i.e. before turning pro, but I think that he has finally crossed the 'mental' hurdle that has plagued him and has the capacity to pull an upset in a best of three sets match, he's angry... even argued with the umpire in his last match. Maybe he'll get lucky with some rain...
Both these guys have the 'fight' as Rafa would say. That's why they make my list.
Why Federer? Am I mad?
I can feel it...
All of the ingredients are there... this is going to be epic!
First the calm before the storm...
- Roger's epic 2012, during Rafa's injury and absence...
Then... choppy waters... - Roger's failure to win a title in 2013 so far...
- the losses to lesser adversaries old and new...
- even stanislas isn't afraid of him anymore...
The storm! - The drama and violence of Rafa's comeback over the past couple of months...
- the mercilessness of their match at IW...
- Murray at #2...
The wake... - Federer a broken legend, taking a time out to nurse his wounds, training, preparing...
- written off by everyone... commentators, fans reminiscing about primes... people are talking about a new era, Nadalurry, Djokodal, Nadelpo, etc...
BUT... .
AmIRight?!
* sur·prise /sə(r)ˈprīz/ Noun. An unexpected or astonishing event, fact, or thing. Therefore, this list is based entirely on 'gut' feel and is not based on an analysis of historical match data.
** If not now, when?!
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librarysteg
Hall of Fame
I wonder if Djokovic will have to pull out of Monte Carlo with the ankle? A week isn't a lot of time to recover.
kishnabe
Talk Tennis Guru
Don't worry he will play MC....that Hoax injury is to cover up his Miami loss to Haas. Learnt from the best.
Clarky21
Banned
Why would he have to pull out of MC? There is nothing wrong with him. I'm sure he will be there and will also win the title.
librarysteg
Hall of Fame
I can't think of any logical reason to believe he would fake an injury to help him win against Sam Querrey in Davis Cup. I mean, it's just silly. I've never had a serious ankle sprain, but I'm thinking it takes more than a week to feel 100%. I think I'll be surprised if he's able to play.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
trouble and beat are two different things (though in the case of Djokovic apparently no one troubles him even when they beat him :lol: )
Gulbis couldn't beat Nadal on HC. Zero chance on clay. Djokovic or Delpo might get the better of Nadal at one clay event coming up, but anything more than that is highly unlikely. 2011 was a one off.
Clarky21
Banned
He didn't look injured to me. It's also funny how when he started winning he stopped the faking. He's fine. He will be in MC and will win it.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
wait, what happened with his ankle? Stupid DC. Should have never played that thing. On the plus side though, maybe this will prevent another meeting with Nadal and he can go to Madrid without another loss to him. Madrid he's got a chance vs Nadal, but losing to him at MC won't help.
Clarky21
Banned
No one does really trouble Cvac. He's impossible to beat, especially in best of 5.
And Gulbis has really pushed Nadal hard on clay before in Rome 2010. And that was when Nadal was a much better player than he is now. He has the goods to beat him without a doubt.
2011 was not a one off. Cvac is better than Nadal these days and if he actually shows up he can beat him easily. Delpo can also beat him as well, and has also pushed Nadal hard on clay before. Murray can do some damage too as he has pushed Nadal to 3 sets in MC before.
You people thinking Nadal is just going to mop up the clay season are really getting ahead of yourselves. It's simply not going to happen.
Relinquis
Hall of Fame
so far doesn't look serious enough for him to skip the tournament next week (he finished the match), but we'll know more closer to the date. the first 24-48 hours are key i think for an ankle sprain.
Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/07/sport/tennis/serena-williams-davis-cup-tennis/?hpt=hp_t3
Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/07/sport/tennis/serena-williams-davis-cup-tennis/?hpt=hp_t3
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
How is getting beaten not being troubled? Also, please get a dictionary -impossible means it is not possible. And it obviously is possible to beat him since he lost the last 2 masters, one to a 35 year old with a career of injuries. He's impossible to beat in best of 5 which is why he lost at 3 of 4 slams last year? :lol: meanwhile Nadal wins with ease last year in the clay season and has made 4 finals with 3 wins out of 4 events playe and you're always acting like he's had it so hard
Yeah Gulbis has pushed Nadal on clay. But so what? He won't win. He couldn't even win on HC, ditto for delpo. Murray has no chance. I don' care if they pushed him once. By that logic Wawrinka, Tsonga, Seppi and a load of other people can beat Djokovic.
Yes 2011 was a one off, all years before that and the year AFTER that had Nadal dominating clay season. If djokovic was better than Nadal now, he would be IW champ and not Nadal, and he'd have also won RG last year.
You said the same crap about Nadal not mopping up clay season last year and were of course about as wrong as you could get. Thing is even if Nadal wins everything in clay season for the next 3 years and Djokovic retires tomorrow, all through that you'll still be saying Djokovic will sweep the clay season and Nadal won't win a match.
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Relinquis
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Gulbis was two points away from knocking Nadal out of IW... you guys underestimate him... Rafa doesn't.
Also, Nadal knows how dangerous Gasquet can be... he hasn't forgotten this: http://youtu.be/KzKuv4j67aw
Also, Nadal knows how dangerous Gasquet can be... he hasn't forgotten this: http://youtu.be/KzKuv4j67aw
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beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
Hahaha, that's a gold mine !!! Thank you Relinquis. never seen that one.
Cfidave
Professional
That ankle turn and subsequent injury was no hoax. All you had to do to know that was watch the replay, or expierience it yourself. I did a similar ankle turn and tore ligaments. It is the next 24-48 hours that will tell, not if he injured it, but how badly. Just hope you don't have that " hoax" happen to you.
That makes no sense, the injury happened WHILE playing today, how would that cover up the Miami loss?
Please watch what happened before you start making silly claims: http://http://bit.ly/10FNFiQ
As for MC, Novak apparently said he doesn't know what to say right now, the ankle doesn't look good but he's going to try his best to recover in time for it.
Clarky21
Banned
I don't really count IW or Miami because Cvac wasn't his usual self. He is back to playing pretty well as his 2 DC matches prove.
Nadal lost to Zeballos. On clay. No more needs to be said.
And I still think he is unbeatable in best of 5. Nobody is going to beat him again for a long while.
Why can't he? Nadal barely scraped past him in their last match, and Nadal also barely scraped past him in Rome 2010. And that was when Nadal was a much better player than he is today. Gulbis can beat him without question. I think you underestimate him, Delpo, Murray, Stan, etc... All of those guys are more than capable of beating Nadal. You, as always, underestimate these guys and give them no credit. If they bring it, Nadal is toast.
And no, 2011 was not a one off. You will see come clay season when Cvac wins everything and Nadal wins nothing.
Sorry don't think that link works, I hope this one works:
http://http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2013-04-07/12073.php
Clarky21
Banned
I didn't call it a hoax. Please at least lecture the right poster next time.
And I do not believe he is injured. He may have tweaked his ankle a bit but nothing more. He will be in MC and will win it.
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