Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
Hehe I love that song too
2015 Bercy semifinals - Djokovic (1) vs Wawrinka (4)
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flyingboris
Legend
OK, this kind of hurts... 
Good thing I was flying out of frame in my avatar.
Good thing I was flying out of frame in my avatar.
MaiDee
Professional
Novak and his luck when it comes to scheduling and draws is very good
Nobody likes Nole as usual
So to those Rafa fans yesterday that freaked out.... Chill out, Rafa better than Novak last 2 days
Maybe www steam train goes out soon cause of scheduling. But hey!
and novak lucky w the scheduling for the final as well
boohoo and everyone is so scared of novaks furious anger
Lol, when a challenger match is more interesting than a tour-level match, you know it's time to move on to another sport.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
What a funny drawing!
Another off topic:
Another off topic:
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yes that is true and he should have ended it in 3 sets. However, the French Open is still in the dark ages and should have lights or a roof like all the other Grand Slams. It's ridiculous to have to wait until the next day to complete a match.
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
You just know they'll all still be watching it though.Oh dear, I just remembered something... MURROVIC FINAL!
Fedal fanatics be like
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Nachiket Nolefam
Guest
Its french open. It has to be played under the sun. I don't understand why they couldn't start the matches early though. Start them mid afternoon and then last guy has disadvantage.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
I never got that. Why on earth not start the matches earlier. WHY?
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
And cry about how boring it is but still won't try to do or watch something less boring for their tastes.You just know they'll all still be watching it though.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
And cry about how boring it is but still won't try to do or watch something less boring for their tastes.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
It doesn't really have to be though. Rome has lights and play at night so I never understood it really. From what I heard, they are supposed to be getting a roof and lights in a few years. Long overdue
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Nachiket Nolefam
Guest
That's why Rome is not Roland Garros. The sun is what makes it Roland Garros. Otherwise, Novak would have beaten Rafa at least twice, case in point RG2012 when he won 6 straight games when Sun was out.
Even with or without Sun, I feel it should be outdoor tournament. The ball jumps higher, more topspin.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
We disagree there. Wimbledon used to be played only in daylight, no lights, etc. It has a roof now and can play at night. Roland Garros should be the same. Its not 1978 anymore and it's time to modernize the game. These are Grand Slams and there is a lot at stake and it should be accomodating for the players. You mean he won 6 straight games when there was no sun and it was muggy, and then they postponed the match. Nadal benefits from sun and dry courts so he can use his topspin to push opponents back.
torpantennis
Legend
It's all on Murray if Murrovic is boring or not. If Andy goes for that BH DTL then it can be entertaining, but probability is high that he doesn't have guts for it. If Andy goes for endless CC drills it will be boring because Djokovic has no reasons to get out of that pattern of play. He and the whole world bar Andy knows he will beat Murray 95% of time in a CC drill match.
The only interest for the match is whether Andy finally has guts or not. Madrid was a rare occurence of that.
The only interest for the match is whether Andy finally has guts or not. Madrid was a rare occurence of that.
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VexlanderPrime
Guest
Your tears make this forum so much fun! 2015 was awesome watching you cry all year. Week after Week. Tourney after Tourney!
2016 gonna be fun too!
Meles
Bionic Poster
You better watch and don't say you're playing tennis at 6 am Caly time!
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Hopefully sleeping at that time and ready to hit some balls later on.
Wake up 6am on sunday morning and be tired rest of the day after watching them is madness !
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I was at work for most of the match. Is there any reason for me to watch the match? The 3rd set most have been a complete disaster...
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Nachiket Nolefam
Guest
Okay we disagree here. The ball jumps higher and spin is higher when sun is there and that's natural conditions. For me, that is very important to be preserved. Even I agree with Federer that Australian Open final should be day match. The semis and finals are played at night when conditions are slower. But at least its hard court, with truest bounce.
I would love Wimbledon to be outdoor as well whenever possible especially in finals, but Roland Garros I don't know, seems premetive which I like a lot.
mattosgrant
Banned
It was like when Stan got down early in the 3rd he just gave up. That is one thing I dont like about him much.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Australia is a different case because it is so damn hot so I don't agree with Federer either. They used to have to have 10 minute breaks in between sets because players were getting sick. They still struggle there. Federer likes it hot because the court is faster. He prefers faster courts so he can have an advantage. I like for the game to be modern. I feel every sport has to evolve, tennis included. Roland Garros needs to upgrade. The tournament is already so small compared to the others and it's like a box with no room.
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Meles
Bionic Poster
Absolutely watch the first two sets and the beginning of the third if you wish.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Stan played at close to midnight the night before, literally drinking a cup of coffee courtside. He was a bit tired after two long and late sets with Rafa. Pretty amazing what he did in the second set and competed very well with lackluster serving (2nd set was good despite not having great speed of serve.) Looked like he was trying plenty hard.
Meles
Bionic Poster
So not a Murray fan? Don't watch the whole thing then, just catch as early as you can. Stan was drinking coffee on the court, you can too!
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
I know why don't they watch a movie if its that boring.And cry about how boring it is but still won't try to do or watch something less boring for their tastes.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I did. I don't see that he gave up. He got broken early in the 3rd set after playing an amazing 2nd set. Novak went to another level. He is scary this year.
I liked the respect he gives Wawrinka. Contrast their exchange at the net and compare with the way Nadal almost ignored Stan the day before.
Novak may be a hot head ON court, but I think he is admirable after matches and gives full credit even when he loses.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
20/28 at the net vs 5/9
21-20 in winners (excluding aces)
Do you even watch his matches, or do you just copy and paste the ******** and moaning every time?
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torpantennis
Legend
Do you even watch the matches?? Wawa was forcing way more rallies than Djoko, but human backboard just kept on getting balls back. Sure, he can switch defense into attack with just one counterpunching get, but that in itself is still defensive game and the major of his shots were defensive. Looking just W/UEs says what happened with the LAST SHOT of the rally, not what happened on many shots before that.
20/28 at the net vs 5/9
21-20 in winners (excluding aces)
Do you even watch his matches, or do you just copy and paste the ******** and moaning every time?
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Is the willingness to go to the net 3 times more than Wawrinka also borne of a defensive mindset?
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torpantennis
Legend
2nd set was crazy good!
torpantennis
Legend
Sure, he eventually gets a short ball with his defense. Willingness to come to net on those short balls I do admit is one good effect of Boris. But still, he doesn't play a forcing game straight from the get go of rallies, Stan does.Is the willingness to go to the net 3 times more than Wawrinka also borne of a defensive mindset?
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Wawrinka is a baseline ballbasher. He's always trying to force the rallies. Djokovic plays with controlled aggression.
Also, interesting how Djokovic won more short and medium rallies than Wawrinka and also ran less over the course of the match while playing a defensive game.
torpantennis
Legend
That is the problem. That "controlled aggression" might be great winning formula, but it lacks real excitement. He doesn't go for exciting risky shots, so most all his errors are real errors on footwork etc. That total lack of risk is what makes his game dull if you're not a fan.Wawrinka is a baseline ballbasher. He's always trying to force the rallies. Djokovic plays with controlled aggression.
Also, interesting how Djokovic won more short and medium rallies than Wawrinka and also ran less over the course of the match while playing a defensive game.
Djokovic won more of everything because of that 3rd set. See the stats after two sets.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I agree with you about "controlled aggression" and not going for "risky shots", but several decades ago Borg did the same thing, and so have others.
There reason there is no "excitement" is that there is no one who can compete with that style.
Wawrinka may hit the ball a bit harder, but he is not a constant threat on return. This year he has won 21% of his return games on HC, and that means we do not expect him to break in more than 1/4 games. More like 1/5 games. And that is 2% below his career average.
Federer, with a much better service game, has been winning 30% of his return games this year. And because he is unable to always keep up that standard throughout tournaments at age 34, that means that when he is hot he is far more explosive.
This is nothing like Agassi's HC play, where he won 32% of his return games on HC for his career and one year won 37%.
And nothing like Nadal on clay who won year won 51% of his return games.
37% of return games won is ridiculous. Who else has done that?
Answer: Novak, this year.
So how can play like that possibly be boring, when we know that he can break almost 2/5 games, which makes tennis exciting?
The other answer: he has NO competition except for 34 year-old Fed and Wawrinka playing out of his mind at RG, or Karlovic serving insanely.
What is boring about 2015 is that Novak has NO COMPETITION.
What we are seeing now is Agassi with no Sampras, Nadal with no Fed, Borg with no McEnroe, and Evert with no Navratilova.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Stan plays a forcing game because his nature it to take chances, but this is also how he loses most of the time.
I just can't get excited about Stan because he is still only a 2 slam winner at age 30. He is not consistent. He runs hot and cold, which makes him very dangerous when he is hot, but he can also fade away and get beaten in a final set 6/0, which is what happened. And it's not only being tired.
The way I see it the Novak we are seeing now would have been much more aggressive at the net with older equipment, older conditions. For the same reason all modern players except for serve-bots are forced to stay on the baseline much of the time, Novak also has to do this to win.
I think what makes tennis boring today is the insane rackets and strings that have changed the game.
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
No it really doesn't need to be played under the sun. I would love night matches at the French open
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
Not true. I joined this forum in early 2014 which was possibly the worst period for him since 2011
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
1,600 posts for 3 or so months is not a lot. I have had almost 2,000 posts in the past 1 month and a bit LOL
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Just like others said to me I will say it to you. You are wasting your time with him.
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
Thank you.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Once Novak starting GOATING in the 3rd set, it was game over for Stan. Was relatively even till then. However, Nole has that extra gear or two over all the players and when he finds it then he goes for kill in brutal fashion. Sublime from Djoko, props to Stan for giving him a fight.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
You do know that the word most doesnt mean the same as all?
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
20/28 at the net vs 5/9
21-20 in winners (excluding aces)
Do you even watch his matches, or do you just copy and paste the ******** and moaning every time?
Winnerś arent all the same. Wawrinka hits his by blasting the ball past Djokovic. Djokovic needs 10 bites at then cherry to finally get into position to hit a winner.
Also, Djokovic hits more drop shot winners which has nothing to do with aggression.
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sportsfan1
Legend
Take nothing away from Djo, but still got to say, Wawrinka's was a strangely muted performance. He was relying a lot on the slow stuff - slicing often on the BH. That's not Stan's game. There was a quote that the QF against Nadal finished really late past midnight and it was about 4 a.m (?) that Stan got back to his hotel. He was out of gas for this match. It was a similar story at the AO, where the 5th set finished 6-0 and Stan said he was physically and mentally exhausted. Of course the relentless pressure created by Djo contributes as well. That's where Djo has a real upper hand in this rivalry against Stan, where he can outlast Stan physically in matches and tournaments.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic won more short and medium rallies than Wawrinka, so you're wrong there.
Drop shots are risky low percentage shots and aggressive by definition. Just because you use finesse instead of power to hit a winner it doesn't mean you're not aggressive
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
I know how Djokovic plays and how Wawrinka plays. Djokovic's defence is miles better than Wawrinka so he has a far easier time outmanouvering him. Wawrinka has to hit lights out to get past Djokovic's defence. And even there Wawrinka hit more winners.
Stats mean nothing if you don't know how to read them. Besides, they often don't show the real story. Like Federer in the 2010 AO final against Murray, he played great there yet the stats show he hit tons of unforced errors.
syc23
Professional
Does that pic describe your weekend? Too much time on your hands bro. You should go out and socialise with real people.
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