2023 Australian Open QF: [5] Andrey Rublev vs Novak Djokovic [4]

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Bhagi Katbamna

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At this point, it is up to the players playing him to expose his injury. If a player is too mentally weak to ignore the opponent's antics on or off the court, they deserve to lose. And I say this as someone who hopes we get someone new to win the title this tournament.
 
NoleFam

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Not Rublev's best match but Djokovic's serve was the biggest shot of the match and overall played well. If he can keep serving like this, he can go all the way.
 
The_Order

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Bhagi Katbamna said:
At this point, it is up to the players playing him to expose his injury. If a player is too mentally weak to ignore the opponent's antics on or off the court, they deserve to lose. And I say this as someone who hopes we get someone new to win the title this tournament.
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Yeah well he's been playing a pack of pushovers hasn't he...
 
Krish872007

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The_Order said:
LOL he literally just said he's been connected more to machines than anything or anyone else in the world .. but it's not serious :-D
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Isn't that part of the process of managing the pain and working towards a solution?
His team are erring on the side of caution here, which is to be expected given that he's not 25 anymore

None of this sounds unreasonable to me - the only thing is he tends to exaggerate his reactions on court, but that's just him as a person:

“I feel great in terms of mobility and movement on my leg, which is great news,” declared Djokovic in his post match press conference after a sparkling 6-2 6-1 6-2 win over Alex de Minaur.
“We take it day by day. We do a lot of things. It’s been honestly exhausting to be involved in a lot of treatments and machines, but it is necessary in order to get myself in a condition to play. I’m really glad my body is responding.
“Tonight, I didn’t feel any pain. I moved as well as I have the whole tournament, so we are moving in the right direction.
“Some days I feel good, some not so good. As I said on the court, I don’t want to celebrate too early, but what I felt tonight is fantastic.

“A certain movement was affected, change of directions. Maybe people watching me play don’t get to see that, but as a player on the court I can feel that.
“You have to deal with a certain amount of pain, but the concern was the next quick change of direction of movements.”
 
ForehandCross

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Djokovic is the GOAT.

There are only three active players who could have even hoped to beat this Djokovic. One is old and injured, the other is in a ever deeper Slump, the last one is never going to regain form.

Djokovic is taking the slam record, and maybe take the number and put it beyond what anyone thought was possible
 
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optic yellow

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I genuinely think there is something to Djokovic's flexibility work making it easier for him to return from muscle strain injuries. Surely someone in academia has done a study on this and found that it mattered in some way. With how the body works it makes too much sense for it not to be true. The flexibility thing I know is no lie because I saw the balls he was able to get to at Wimbledon. That tool is really is his star weapon there, where he uses it to crush the souls of less experienced grass players scared of the surface and banking on getting winners they'd get against basically any other player.
 
Bubcay

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Krish872007 said:
Maybe worth dispelling some of the myths around the injury situation:

- He has not claimed it as a serious or debilitating injury, simply that he had an issue with it and it partially impact movement
- He has worked with his team to find a solution and work 'through' the pain, and clearly whatever they are doing is having positive effect
- In the last match he said he "didn't feel anything". That doesn't necessarily mean it's healed, and if you watch enough of his matches you can work out quite quickly which aspects of his movement are slightly down from where they normally would be
- He's winning comfortably because he is that much better than the field. He has more weapons /variety than most of the tour and has proven to be extremely comfortable in these conditions, should not be a surprise. If anything, he plays much more aggressively and efficiently now, which is something NextGen is utterly clueless about anyway. They are more familiar with baseline grinding
- Overcoming injury /adversity and winning a Slam is not some alien concept, its been done before by others as well. I think about Rafa at RG last year (foot had to be numbed, still beat 4 Top 10 players) and in 2014, Roger at AO 2017 and Wimbledon 2012 (back injury sustained both times, recorded epic wins over the rest of the Big 4 and more). The greats will find a way to get it done
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Well said... (y)
 
ForehandCross

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One of the things that I have noticed is that once Novak goes on the offensive there's literally no one who can reign him in, Medvedev can frustrate and negate him to a limit but those stretches only last 4-5 games. Nadal no longer has the foot speed. There's no guy on tour like a Federer who can step in, take time away and stop Novak from being on constant aggression.
 
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optic yellow

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Krish872007 said:
Maybe worth dispelling some of the myths around the injury situation:

- He has not claimed it as a serious or debilitating injury, simply that he had an issue with it and it partially impact movement
- He has worked with his team to find a solution and work 'through' the pain, and clearly whatever they are doing is having positive effect
- In the last match he said he "didn't feel anything". That doesn't necessarily mean it's healed, and if you watch enough of his matches you can work out quite quickly which aspects of his movement are slightly down from where they normally would be
- He's winning comfortably because he is that much better than the field. He has more weapons /variety than most of the tour and has proven to be extremely comfortable in these conditions, should not be a surprise. If anything, he plays much more aggressively and efficiently now, which is something NextGen is utterly clueless about anyway. They are more familiar with baseline grinding
- Overcoming injury /adversity and winning a Slam is not some alien concept, its been done before by others as well. I think about Rafa at RG last year (foot had to be numbed, still beat 4 Top 10 players) and in 2014, Roger at AO 2017 and Wimbledon 2012 (back injury sustained both times, recorded epic wins over the rest of the Big 4 and more). The greats will find a way to get it done
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Why do we blame NextGen for the failures of their coaching? That is just a thought I had. I feel like they don't play that way because they were not taught to play that way or given the confidence to play that way.
 
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Bubcay said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618206330422177794
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Haha he admits the wind got him off his game a bit but that he was able to focus through it when it really mattered and also that Rublev was strong enough to force him to do this. It's just so direct but also honest if you assume good intentions rather than bad. I didn't get to the Federer part but I'm going to assume that answer represents how he answered about Federer too.
 
Krish872007

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optic yellow said:
Why do we blame NextGen for the failures of their coaching? That is just a thought I had. I feel like they don't play that way because they were not taught to play that way or given the confidence to play that way.
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It's a good point to be honest
Ultimately its easier to pin the blame directly on the "output" as that's what we see unfold in front of our eyes
 
zvelf

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Chanwan said:
Respectfully completely disagree. This won't be close at all. 7-11 games for Rublev
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Good call.

TripleATeam said:
Half the comments in this thread are about Djokovic's injury/"injury" (take your pick).

Can you guys just start commenting about literally anything else in a grand slam quarterfinal between the 4th and 5th seed?
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And here's the thing, a lesser hamstring injury can take from a few days to heal to a few weeks (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hamstring-injury/). It's been almost 3 weeks since Djokovic injured it, he said it felt fine last match, so in all likelihood, it's now 90%-100% healed and he just needs to take precautions with it. How does faking an injury help him? It just gives his opponents more confidence, which is not what you want. (And for the record, I don't believe Nadal fakes his injuries either.)

The_Order said:
You want to talk facts - lets... he is not well liked. He has been booed out of stadiums and even he himself has admitted he is a villain..

These things don't happen out of thin air... great character isn't someone who constantly yells at their box about a bit of wind ... especially when he's belting his opponent.
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Yes, Djokovic gets rowdy on the court in his pursuit of unreachable perfection and directs anger toward his box, but as soon as the match is over, he is always cordial to his opponents in losses and apologizes to his box. And he also does these things:

 
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