ATP or WTA-style forehand better for rec players?

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Yes, hit like a girl when returning serves, hit like a man when you have more time, hit like a girl for more control, hit like a man if you want more power/spin in your stroke.
Hit like a HUMAN?
 

BMC9670

Hall of Fame
Yes, hit like a girl when returning serves, hit like a man when you have more time, hit like a girl for more control, hit like a man if you want more power/spin in your stroke.
Hit like a HUMAN?

Why would you want to use a longer stroke when returning serve?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Why would you think automatically that WTA stroke needs to be long?
WTA can be short direct takeback, SHORT, like ROS.
Like ATP can be two handed loop takeback, long or short.
 

BMC9670

Hall of Fame
Why would you think automatically that WTA stroke needs to be long?
WTA can be short direct takeback, SHORT, like ROS.
Like ATP can be two handed loop takeback, long or short.

As usual, you use an exception. WTA stroke is generally a longer stroke.
 
Why would you want to use a longer stroke when returning serve?
There is more "arming" of the shot in a good return of serve. I emphasize that I am talking about a good return of serve - arming is allowed more so than in a regular ground stroke. Maybe that's what LeeD had in mind, because WTA forehand seems to have a stronger arming component, then an ATP forehand properly executed.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
YOUR perception of WTA forehand is a long stroke.
MY perception of a WTA forehand is a direct non looping takeback, followed by a direct forward swing, long to high, often with a LONG takeback, but in some cases, not so long.
To me, an ATP forehand needs to do too much for return of serves, so a WTA direct quicker loops works much better.
 

BMC9670

Hall of Fame
YOUR perception of WTA forehand is a long stroke.
MY perception of a WTA forehand is a direct non looping takeback, followed by a direct forward swing, long to high, often with a LONG takeback, but in some cases, not so long.
To me, an ATP forehand needs to do too much for return of serves, so a WTA direct quicker loops works much better.

Not really, look at where the racquet head is on WTA vs ATP, that's what makes it a longer stroke.
 

GuyClinch

Legend
So this concept has already devolved into "WTA forehand = hit like a girl" vs "ATP forehand = hit like a man". That is essentially what is going on in this discussion.

Maybe if you are not reading the discussion.

ATP - racquet goes into the slot after the start of the forward swing - it lays back and drops to hand level (and often below).
WTA - racquet is looped into the slot. It does not suddenly flip with the start of the forward swing. It can be hit with a firm solid wrist position.

I do agree with LeeD that swing length - that is typical - it is not essential. WTA use longer swings because they don't get the spring from the 'flip' that the ATP guys do. Rec players I think can kind of split the difference - some flip - but not a ton..(they won't hit like Sock or Fed - but like the lock and roll guy)..

I think that LeeD's idea is that on the ROS you can use a short stiff kinda swing - a push essentially and do really well with return of serve. A volley is another short kinda stiff shot. If you want to understand this idea..

I am not sure we should call that ROS a WTA forehand or just a ROS..
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
Maybe if you are not reading the discussion.

ATP - racquet goes into the slot after the start of the forward swing - it lays back and drops to hand level (and often below).
WTA - racquet is looped into the slot. It does not suddenly flip with the start of the forward swing. It can be hit with a firm solid wrist position.
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Guy, this is a really important point that I don't see discussed. I was looking for the right post to bring this up and you have stated it very clearly here. Imo the importance is that the ATP can be quicker due to how a player can already start his path to find the ball for contact before even hitting the slot, which means before dealing with the loading that happens in the slot, but yet still have the loading in place at the critical time for the swing. Imo this is part of why the ATP has advantages for timing and taking fast balls on the rise. thanks Guy.
 
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