Danielle Collins sets Djokovic straight over US Open concerns
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LeftyMagic
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thank you! exactly what i was saying, if they want money and wins you better play a grand slam where the best players are sitting out. id be thrilled. the USO will go on with joker showing up. what if he was hurt? they’d cancel it? get real. 1/500 new yorkers even knows who novak is. Collins a brat she always sounds like a brat, this is no different. shes in cozy florida hitting on a nice groomed court, just do your job and show up if the tourney is on
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Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I think you are naive. Of course not all people in any financial bracket are exactly the same, but you're missing the point. When you spend your life making the acquisition of wealth your main goal, your main goal is also not going to be changing the world for the better. There are people like Bill Gates who appear to change goals after acquiring huge wealth, so maybe you think he is now a wonderful guy. I don't.
For every rich guy "with a heart" there are many more who mostly concentrate on becoming filthy rich and then just pass that wealth on to families. As for how you would think if you had their money, what connection would you have to people who have nothing if you were born with so much money that you never had to worry about anything one day of your life? So you think you would empathize with people who have to struggle to get anything at all?
Or even if you started out that way, by the time you had countess millions of dollars, do you really think you always spend most of your time reaching out to others who have nothing? Or would you just enjoy the wealth you know have and pass it on to your family?
NonP
Legend
No need to rehash Novak's interview, @beard basically told me the same thing and I was already sold on his explanation.
I do, however, find it irksome that Collins is being dismissed as a naive nobody who mainly wants attention while Novak is portrayed by the same detractors of hers as someone who was merely expressing an ill-formulated opinion or behaving like any zillionaire would. That's very much "normal" with or without a pandemic. People like to rail against the rich, famous and powerful, but their own actions tell a different story. One could say their bark is worse than their bite.
NonP
Legend
Just tell the "female brat" to go make you a sandwich and be done with it.
tennis tom
Legend
So she's a hot "loser" "brat"--I don't care what comes out of her mouth!--Marry me, Danielle!
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
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skaj
Legend
I don't know how am I missing the point. I just think you should speak for yourself, when you say that we would be doing the same in their place. If I had billions of euros I would leave a couple of millions for myself, which is more than enough for security and independence, and give all of the rest to those who really need it. I enjoy spending time with friends, travelling, novels, films, art, nature, sex, cakes, tennis... I don't enjoy wealth, I am not interested in living in a palace, or driving a Ferrari, or shopping in Dior etc. And of course I would empathize with people who struggle with their finances, just like I now empathize with people who don't have what I have, whether it is freedom, roof above their heads, health...
I do not think Gates is a wonderful guy at all, I don't know why would you say that; and I already said here somewhere, there were people born into money who became fighters for equality later in life.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Except Novak gets his fair share of criticism despite being rich, powerful, influential and whatnot, his slip-ups don't really go unnoticed or unopposed. Furthemore, it's nigh impossible to tell if he's wrong in this case or not at this point.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
For the reasons he mentioned. He is already wrong.
Tennease
Legend
Dan Evans says Novak Djokovic concerns over US Open restrictions only valid for top players
Britain's Dan Evans has dismissed Novak Djokovic's concerns over players having just one member of their team at the US Open as "not such a big deal".
Organisers are considering restrictions so they can stage the New York event behind closed doors from 31 August.
World number one Djokovic thinks some of the safety protocols are "extreme", and having only one person on site with him would be "really impossible".
But Evans, 30, said: "There has to be a bit of give and take from the players."
The British number one told BBC 5 Live Breakfast: "I don't think having one person of your team only allowed is such a big deal - the majority of the draw would only travel with one coach.
"Not everyone's travelling with physios and fitness trainers like Novak said, so I think his argument there is not really valid for the rest of the draw, apart from the real top guys."
Defending champion Rafael Nadal says he currently has little desire to travel to New York, and does not think tournaments should resume until all players are able to travel freely and safely.
"It's great what the ATP did with the Relief Fund but there's nothing better than the prize money of the Grand Slams for the players to be receiving," Evans continued.
"This is the point where I think the players should really come together and Novak and Rafa should really be looking to help those players with lower ranks so they get a good pay day.
"It's obviously not all about money, it's health involved here, but if it's safe enough I don't think having just a coach is a good enough reason not to be going to a tournament."
The ATP is currently seeking the views of the players, with the United States Tennis Association likely to decide in the second half of June whether the US Open can go ahead this year.
Britain's Dan Evans is ranked 28th in the world
Britain's Dan Evans has dismissed Novak Djokovic's concerns over players having just one member of their team at the US Open as "not such a big deal".
Organisers are considering restrictions so they can stage the New York event behind closed doors from 31 August.
World number one Djokovic thinks some of the safety protocols are "extreme", and having only one person on site with him would be "really impossible".
But Evans, 30, said: "There has to be a bit of give and take from the players."
The British number one told BBC 5 Live Breakfast: "I don't think having one person of your team only allowed is such a big deal - the majority of the draw would only travel with one coach.
"Not everyone's travelling with physios and fitness trainers like Novak said, so I think his argument there is not really valid for the rest of the draw, apart from the real top guys."
Defending champion Rafael Nadal says he currently has little desire to travel to New York, and does not think tournaments should resume until all players are able to travel freely and safely.
"It's great what the ATP did with the Relief Fund but there's nothing better than the prize money of the Grand Slams for the players to be receiving," Evans continued.
"This is the point where I think the players should really come together and Novak and Rafa should really be looking to help those players with lower ranks so they get a good pay day.
"It's obviously not all about money, it's health involved here, but if it's safe enough I don't think having just a coach is a good enough reason not to be going to a tournament."
The ATP is currently seeking the views of the players, with the United States Tennis Association likely to decide in the second half of June whether the US Open can go ahead this year.
Britain's Dan Evans is ranked 28th in the world
BrokenForehand
Rookie
NonP
Legend
Not so much in this thread. And let's face it, about half the criticism thrown Novak's way among tennis circles comes from the Fedal posse who resent this former upstart for standing in their boy's way to GOAThood.
Contrast that with this snotty dismissal of Collins as an unworldly "loser" not even worth speaking of (save as a sex object, of course). And go over to the thread on Dan Evans who basically made the same point but didn't get anywhere near the same crap treatment. Maybe this visceral contempt for the lowly nonentity who dares speak out against a star player has nothing to do with her pair of boobs, but considering the similar treatment Ibbou received in response to her letter to Thiem, and given that not even a Navratilova isn't immune to said chauvinism, let's say I've got my doubts.
No question really which of the two has it worse, the ATP #1 going for his 18th-19th major or the WTA #51 who refused to stay in her lane.
Open Stance
Professional
Just rank and file tennis players who want to try to earn a living again and are probably pissed that Djokovic is using his influence to get one of the sport's major events cancelled.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Djokovic has no such power and, in any event, he is lobbying for the restrictions to be less onerous and not an outright cancellation.
Collins has no quarantine to worry about and Djokovic has no money worries, so they are coming at this from a different point of view.
Collins has no quarantine to worry about and Djokovic has no money worries, so they are coming at this from a different point of view.
D
Deleted member 768841
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Uh, wat. If there is anybody who would want it to be canceled it is Federer. Djokovic has every reason to not want it to be canceled.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
You would think... unless Djoker thinks Rafa has the advantage there and wants that double career slam more by focusing on clay.
D
Deleted member 768841
Guest
Maybe, it is possible Djoker goes for a second RG. Personally I think he should go for USO, as he seeks to be in a good hard court form.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
You would think, but he seems really keen on getting out of USO. I truly think he is scared there for some reason.
D
Deleted member 768841
Guest
I hope he starts to grind for one last USO, I want another 2010/2011 brawl with Nadal!
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
That may be an issue too, maybe he is not ready to grind right off the bat. Djoker did not do too well last big lay off he had.
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
She would triple golden bagel you without even trying.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
They play best out of three... So double bagel is the best she could ever do.
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
They play best out of three... So double bagel is the best she could ever do.
There would be time for a third set since the first two would take about 20 min total.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Name some.
Fedinkum
Legend
Glad to see some sanity still prevails here. Being a Slam Semi-Finalist is not too shabby, really.
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skaj
Legend
We have covered that, scroll up.
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
Sadly, Thiem would manage to mess it up somehow.
do you think she is ready for your tennis academy?
well, on TTW if you are not part of Big-3 -> you're a loser.
at times I think Bezos, Gates and the likes are posting their comments here.
can't explain otherwise who else on Earth could consider top pro athletes "losers", "mugs", "pigeons" and all other nice descriptions
zagor
Bionic Poster
I'm not talking about this little forum, tennis media at large, the community, players etc. have no issue criticizing Novak, they're rarely holding back. I'm not saying that he often doesn't deserve criticism, I just have a hard time believeing he's this sacred cow in tennis people are not allowed to question. Just recently, Kiki Bertens called him out because he dared to publicly shake hands with people.
Also, I don't see the response to Danielle in this thread as one-dimensional as you portray it. A number of people defended/agreed with her.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Whether a massive sport event like this should take place in the US is still quite questionable.
I mean, I'd personally like to see it happen but it's not a clear-cut scenario.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm siding with Djokovic. He needs his helpers
NonP
Legend
Never said Novak is a "sacred cow" immune to criticism, only that his star status shields him from the condescending dismissals dished out to the likes of Collins and Ibbou.
And of course a number of people have defended Collins. Rather I made two points: 1) that number is dwarfed by that of her detractors who can barely hide their contempt for this nobody going against the world's best player, and 2) age-old sexism has much to do with it.
skaj
Legend
You should see the first page. It's been done, a lot.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Glad I am not the only one...
For a moment I thought I missed on something
skaj
Legend
You're not, just another poster without any arguments.
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Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
Novak will always be himself and he never feels remorse about his own opinion. I respect that very much.
fedfan08
Professional
Of course they are. It’s the big names that drive ticket sales. The US Open wouldn’t go on if all the big names said they’re not showing up.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
What is the argument, some ball bashing bimbo is telling an ATG that is fighting to help her survive without tennis, how to attend a tournament with restricted team?
OK, good for her then...and glad that Novak did not even read her comments...
No, it is the organizers who are telling players to come with only one person, and she is just speaking out against whiners like Djokovic because their withdrawal would mean financial disaster for the tournament and lower-ranked players.
She bashes the ball much better than you and your use of bimbo shows your misogyny and fear of successful women who have achieved far more than you ever will.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
I always stood by you when others talked about your ball striking
However, if you want to play that way, we can post each other's respective videos of "ball bashing"Also, she and I chose different careers, and she still has waaaayyyss to go to catch up with what I achieved in my career (thought, I had a head start).
She is a ball bashing bimbo and no game plan. That is why she is where she is...
I always stood by you when others talked about your ball striking
Also, she and I chose different careers, and she still has waaaayyyss to go to catch up with what I achieved in my career (thought, I had a head start).
She is a ball bashing bimbo and no game plan. That is why she is where she is...
Why is she a bimbo?
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