Danielle Collins sets Djokovic straight over US Open concerns

big ted said:
shouldnt these lower players NOT want the top players to show up?
i dont understand why theyre upset about it.. are they afraid the USO will
be cancelled if djoko doesnt show up?
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thank you! exactly what i was saying, if they want money and wins you better play a grand slam where the best players are sitting out. id be thrilled. the USO will go on with joker showing up. what if he was hurt? they’d cancel it? get real. 1/500 new yorkers even knows who novak is. Collins a brat she always sounds like a brat, this is no different. shes in cozy florida hitting on a nice groomed court, just do your job and show up if the tourney is on


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skaj said:
Although I agree that most wealthy people are pathologically selfish, that is how most of them got their wealth, I think it is rigid, limiting and too pessimistic to think that they are all the same. Not to mention thinking that "We would think the same way if we had their money and security.", what a horrible statement.
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I think you are naive. Of course not all people in any financial bracket are exactly the same, but you're missing the point. When you spend your life making the acquisition of wealth your main goal, your main goal is also not going to be changing the world for the better. There are people like Bill Gates who appear to change goals after acquiring huge wealth, so maybe you think he is now a wonderful guy. I don't.

For every rich guy "with a heart" there are many more who mostly concentrate on becoming filthy rich and then just pass that wealth on to families. As for how you would think if you had their money, what connection would you have to people who have nothing if you were born with so much money that you never had to worry about anything one day of your life? So you think you would empathize with people who have to struggle to get anything at all?

Or even if you started out that way, by the time you had countess millions of dollars, do you really think you always spend most of your time reaching out to others who have nothing? Or would you just enjoy the wealth you know have and pass it on to your family?
 
zagor said:
What progress are we talking about here exactly? These are not normal circumstances. There's not a clear right or wrong answer on whether a massive event like USO should take place.

I watched the whole of Novak's interview in Serbian, it was not nearly as elitistic as portrayed here, was pretty measured on the whole actually. He even ended it with basically saying that if majority of players want the tourney to be held on so they can earn their livelihood, he'll go along with it.
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No need to rehash Novak's interview, @beard basically told me the same thing and I was already sold on his explanation.

I do, however, find it irksome that Collins is being dismissed as a naive nobody who mainly wants attention while Novak is portrayed by the same detractors of hers as someone who was merely expressing an ill-formulated opinion or behaving like any zillionaire would. That's very much "normal" with or without a pandemic. People like to rail against the rich, famous and powerful, but their own actions tell a different story. One could say their bark is worse than their bite.
 
I watched an episode of magnum pi the other night. It was about tennis. There was an absolute female brat of a player that through fits in court and marched around like she was gods gift to tennis. It reminded me of Collins.
 
Going all that way, and staying all that time, when your disrupted routine may mean you're dumped out in the first round.

You'd avoid it if you were a top player.
 
Gary Duane said:
I think you are naive. Of course not all people in any financial bracket are exactly the same, but you're missing the point. When you spend your life making the acquisition of wealth your main goal, your main goal is also not going to be changing the world for the better. There are people like Bill Gates who appear to change goals after acquiring huge wealth, so maybe you think he is now a wonderful guy. I don't.

For every rich guy "with a heart" there are many more who mostly concentrate on becoming filthy rich and then just pass that wealth on to families. As for how you would think if you had their money, what connection would you have to people who have nothing if you were born with so much money that you never had to worry about anything one day of your life? So you think you would empathize with people who have to struggle to get anything at all?

Or even if you started out that way, by the time you had countess millions of dollars, do you really think you always spend most of your time reaching out to others who have nothing? Or would you just enjoy the wealth you know have and pass it on to your family?
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I don't know how am I missing the point. I just think you should speak for yourself, when you say that we would be doing the same in their place. If I had billions of euros I would leave a couple of millions for myself, which is more than enough for security and independence, and give all of the rest to those who really need it. I enjoy spending time with friends, travelling, novels, films, art, nature, sex, cakes, tennis... I don't enjoy wealth, I am not interested in living in a palace, or driving a Ferrari, or shopping in Dior etc. And of course I would empathize with people who struggle with their finances, just like I now empathize with people who don't have what I have, whether it is freedom, roof above their heads, health...
I do not think Gates is a wonderful guy at all, I don't know why would you say that; and I already said here somewhere, there were people born into money who became fighters for equality later in life.
 
NonP said:
No need to rehash Novak's interview, @beard basically told me the same thing and I was already sold on his explanation.

I do, however, find it irksome that Collins is being dismissed as a naive nobody who mainly wants attention while Novak is portrayed by the same detractors of hers as someone who was merely expressing an ill-formulated opinion or behaving like any zillionaire would. That's very much "normal" with or without a pandemic. People like to rail against the rich, famous and powerful, but their own actions tell a different story. One could say their bark is worse than their bite.
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Except Novak gets his fair share of criticism despite being rich, powerful, influential and whatnot, his slip-ups don't really go unnoticed or unopposed. Furthemore, it's nigh impossible to tell if he's wrong in this case or not at this point.
 
zagor said:
Except Novak gets his fair share of criticism despite being rich, powerful, influential and whatnot, his slip-ups don't really go unnoticed or unopposed. Furthemore, it's nigh impossible to tell if he's wrong in this case or not at this point.
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For the reasons he mentioned. He is already wrong.
 
Dan Evans says Novak Djokovic concerns over US Open restrictions only valid for top players

Britain's Dan Evans has dismissed Novak Djokovic's concerns over players having just one member of their team at the US Open as "not such a big deal".

Organisers are considering restrictions so they can stage the New York event behind closed doors from 31 August.

World number one Djokovic thinks some of the safety protocols are "extreme", and having only one person on site with him would be "really impossible".

But Evans, 30, said: "There has to be a bit of give and take from the players."

The British number one told BBC 5 Live Breakfast: "I don't think having one person of your team only allowed is such a big deal - the majority of the draw would only travel with one coach.

"Not everyone's travelling with physios and fitness trainers like Novak said, so I think his argument there is not really valid for the rest of the draw, apart from the real top guys."

Defending champion Rafael Nadal says he currently has little desire to travel to New York, and does not think tournaments should resume until all players are able to travel freely and safely.

"It's great what the ATP did with the Relief Fund but there's nothing better than the prize money of the Grand Slams for the players to be receiving," Evans continued.

"This is the point where I think the players should really come together and Novak and Rafa should really be looking to help those players with lower ranks so they get a good pay day.

"It's obviously not all about money, it's health involved here, but if it's safe enough I don't think having just a coach is a good enough reason not to be going to a tournament."

The ATP is currently seeking the views of the players, with the United States Tennis Association likely to decide in the second half of June whether the US Open can go ahead this year.


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Britain's Dan Evans is ranked 28th in the world
 
zagor said:
Except Novak gets his fair share of criticism despite being rich, powerful, influential and whatnot, his slip-ups don't really go unnoticed or unopposed. Furthemore, it's nigh impossible to tell if he's wrong in this case or not at this point.
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Not so much in this thread. And let's face it, about half the criticism thrown Novak's way among tennis circles comes from the Fedal posse who resent this former upstart for standing in their boy's way to GOAThood.

Contrast that with this snotty dismissal of Collins as an unworldly "loser" not even worth speaking of (save as a sex object, of course). And go over to the thread on Dan Evans who basically made the same point but didn't get anywhere near the same crap treatment. Maybe this visceral contempt for the lowly nonentity who dares speak out against a star player has nothing to do with her pair of boobs, but considering the similar treatment Ibbou received in response to her letter to Thiem, and given that not even a Navratilova isn't immune to said chauvinism, let's say I've got my doubts.

No question really which of the two has it worse, the ATP #1 going for his 18th-19th major or the WTA #51 who refused to stay in her lane.
 
Tennis sprew said:
Who are these random people coming out of the woodworks to come and crap on Djokovic/Thiem? Sheesh, just play some tennis and get good lol.
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Just rank and file tennis players who want to try to earn a living again and are probably pissed that Djokovic is using his influence to get one of the sport's major events cancelled.
 
Djokovic has no such power and, in any event, he is lobbying for the restrictions to be less onerous and not an outright cancellation.

Collins has no quarantine to worry about and Djokovic has no money worries, so they are coming at this from a different point of view.

Open Stance said:
Just rank and file tennis players who want to try to earn a living again and are probably pissed that Djokovic is using his influence to get one of the sport's major events cancelled.
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Open Stance said:
Just rank and file tennis players who want to try to earn a living again and are probably pissed that Djokovic is using his influence to get one of the sport's major events cancelled.
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Uh, wat. If there is anybody who would want it to be canceled it is Federer. Djokovic has every reason to not want it to be canceled.
 
Lleytonstation said:
You would think... unless Djoker thinks Rafa has the advantage there and wants that double career slam more by focusing on clay.
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Maybe, it is possible Djoker goes for a second RG. Personally I think he should go for USO, as he seeks to be in a good hard court form.
 
Odds are good that if Nadal and Djoker pull out, the Stanimal could win his 4th Slam or Thiem could win his first.
 
Fedinkum said:
Glad to see some sanity still prevails here. Being a Slam Semi-Finalist is not too shabby, really.
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well, on TTW if you are not part of Big-3 -> you're a loser.
at times I think Bezos, Gates and the likes are posting their comments here.
can't explain otherwise who else on Earth could consider top pro athletes "losers", "mugs", "pigeons" and all other nice descriptions
 
NonP said:
Not so much in this thread. And let's face it, about half the criticism thrown Novak's way among tennis circles comes from the Fedal posse who resent this former upstart for standing in their boy's way to GOAThood.

Contrast that with this snotty dismissal of Collins as an unworldly "loser" not even worth speaking of (save as a sex object, of course). And go over to the thread on Dan Evans who basically made the same point but didn't get anywhere near the same crap treatment. Maybe this visceral contempt for the lowly nonentity who dares speak out against a star player has nothing to do with her pair of boobs, but considering the similar treatment Ibbou received in response to her letter to Thiem, and given that not even a Navratilova isn't immune to said chauvinism, let's say I've got my doubts.

No question really which of the two has it worse, the ATP #1 going for his 18th-19th major or the WTA #51 who refused to stay in her lane.
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I'm not talking about this little forum, tennis media at large, the community, players etc. have no issue criticizing Novak, they're rarely holding back. I'm not saying that he often doesn't deserve criticism, I just have a hard time believeing he's this sacred cow in tennis people are not allowed to question. Just recently, Kiki Bertens called him out because he dared to publicly shake hands with people.

Also, I don't see the response to Danielle in this thread as one-dimensional as you portray it. A number of people defended/agreed with her.
 
zagor said:
I'm not talking about this little forum, tennis media at large, the community, players etc. have no issue criticizing Novak, they're rarely holding back. I'm not saying that he often doesn't deserve criticism, I just have a hard time believeing he's this sacred cow in tennis people are not allowed to question. Just recently, Kiki Bertens called him out because he dared to publicly shake hands with people.

Also, I don't see the response to Danielle in this thread as one-dimensional as you portray it. A number of people defended/agreed with her.
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Never said Novak is a "sacred cow" immune to criticism, only that his star status shields him from the condescending dismissals dished out to the likes of Collins and Ibbou.

And of course a number of people have defended Collins. Rather I made two points: 1) that number is dwarfed by that of her detractors who can barely hide their contempt for this nobody going against the world's best player, and 2) age-old sexism has much to do with it.
 
ZYW said:
I don't get it. She can choose to play regardless of what Djokovic said. Djokovic doesn't decide if the tournament plays or not.
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Um, if Fed, Nadal and Djokovic all decided not to play do you seriously think the US Open would go on as planned? The big names absolutely would be able to sway what a tournament does because they’re the ones that bring in all the money,
 
big ted said:
shouldnt these lower players NOT want the top players to show up?
i dont understand why theyre upset about it.. are they afraid the USO will
be cancelled if djoko doesnt show up?
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Of course they are. It’s the big names that drive ticket sales. The US Open wouldn’t go on if all the big names said they’re not showing up.
 
dr325i said:
Glad I am not the only one...
For a moment I thought I missed on something
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What is the argument, some ball bashing bimbo is telling an ATG that is fighting to help her survive without tennis, how to attend a tournament with restricted team?
OK, good for her then...and glad that Novak did not even read her comments...
 
dr325i said:
What is the argument, some ball bashing bimbo is telling an ATG that is fighting to help her survive without tennis, how to attend a tournament with restricted team?
OK, good for her then...and glad that Novak did not even read her comments...
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No, it is the organizers who are telling players to come with only one person, and she is just speaking out against whiners like Djokovic because their withdrawal would mean financial disaster for the tournament and lower-ranked players.

She bashes the ball much better than you and your use of bimbo shows your misogyny and fear of successful women who have achieved far more than you ever will.
 
sureshs said:
No, it is the organizers who are telling players to come with only one person, and she is just speaking out against whiners like Djokovic because their withdrawal would mean financial disaster for the tournament and lower-ranked players.

She bashes the ball much better than you and your use of bimbo shows your misogyny and fear of successful women who have achieved far more than you ever will.
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I always stood by you when others talked about your ball striking ;) However, if you want to play that way, we can post each other's respective videos of "ball bashing"

Also, she and I chose different careers, and she still has waaaayyyss to go to catch up with what I achieved in my career (thought, I had a head start).

She is a ball bashing bimbo and no game plan. That is why she is where she is...
 
dr325i said:
I always stood by you when others talked about your ball striking ;) However, if you want to play that way, we can post each other's respective videos of "ball bashing"

Also, she and I chose different careers, and she still has waaaayyyss to go to catch up with what I achieved in my career (thought, I had a head start).

She is a ball bashing bimbo and no game plan. That is why she is where she is...
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Why is she a bimbo?
 
She's absolutely right, most rank and file players need the players. But that doesn't mean Djokovic is wrong. He just feels the restrictions are too much for him, and he won't urge anyone to follow him, if he decides not to attend USO!
 
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