Davy to beat Fed???

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seestern

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IF and only IF:
- Davydenko is 100% fit
- He does not lose to Fed before stepping on the court.

He will have a shot certainly. See what he did with Fed in FO 2006 semis and his form till now in USO07. He just look unbeatable.
The first condition is realistic but the second is a doubt.

Your ideas ?
 
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gametime21

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Davy only will beat Fed like any other player will only beat Fed if and only IF.

Fed breaks a bone in his leg during the match and is not allowed to play with a wheel chair. Even then I dont know. HaH =)
 
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gametime21

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Davy has to play masterful tennis.. he has to hit the lines like no other.. Serve like a beast.. return with killer winners.. and some how get into Feds head that he might loose.

Chances.. I wouldn't bet a dollar on Davy.
 
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seestern

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i wonder whether you guys did watch Davy in this USO.
I personally used to hate his grinding game in the past, but now he look like adding some other things else.
But again, he need to improve mentality against Fed as well.
 
ninman

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Honestly, taking two tiebreakers off of Federer in a MS final is one thing, especially when he held six set points in the first set. However this would be a GS final, and he'd need to take three sets off of him. In reality he barely scraped a win against Federer in Canada, in the USO final he'll be humped like a little *****.
 
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Federafa

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Remember their match at the FO.
During a set Davydenko was early on every ball. He played a extraordinary tennis. The problem (as he showed it in Paris) is that he can't maintain that level of play very long, especially against Fed.
 
West Coast Ace

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pow said:
I think his chances to win against Fed are slimmer than Roddick's.
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Amen. Tenacity and grit are great - but hardly a weapon to win enough points in a 3 out of 5 against the best in the game.

tennis_hand said:
Fed will revenge his loss in Canada and Novak will be smoked in the final.
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I tend to agree. People who freak out about Canada seem to forget it was two tiebreak sets ND won - Fed won his set decisively. I think ND has to get to the semis this year, take his whooping, and then somewhere in the future, come back and beat Fed and take #1.
 
crazylevity

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West Coast Ace said:
Amen. Tenacity and grit are great - but hardly a weapon to win enough points in a 3 out of 5 against the best in the game.

I tend to agree. People who freak out about Canada seem to forget it was two tiebreak sets ND won - Fed won his set decisively. I think ND has to get to the semis this year, take his whooping, and then somewhere in the future, come back and beat Fed and take #1.
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I agree with this as well. Djokovic will win a USO eventually; but not this year. The Mighty Fed still reigns.
 
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urban

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On form and game, Davydenko is in with a veritable chance. His relentless pressure game from near the baseline reminds me of Agassi, and he can - as proved at the RG - press Federer behind his own baseline, where he must run more and can get quite defensive, even with his forehand, when forced wide. But a good bullfighter is not necessarily a good matador. He has to go in and put on the finishing touch.
 
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joebicko

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The only player, beside Nadal, able to beat Federer is Djokovic.
It will be close match, Davy is definately much stronger oponent than Roddick.
Federer in 4 sets.
 
ninman

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joebicko said:
The only player, beside Nadal, able to beat Federer is Djokovic.
It will be close match, Davy is definately much stronger oponent than Roddick.
Federer in 4 sets.
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So Djokovic beats Federer ONCE in a third set tiebreaker and suddenly he's the only player who can "beat Federer". What about Andy Murray last year, he did Federer in, in straight sets, or Canas, or Volandri. The last two are pathetic nobodies who got lucky, but it just proves my point.
 
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fps

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ninman said:
So Djokovic beats Federer ONCE in a third set tiebreaker and suddenly he's the only player who can "beat Federer". What about Andy Murray last year, he did Federer in, in straight sets, or Canas, or Volandri. The last two are pathetic nobodies who got lucky, but it just proves my point.
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Bit harsh to call men who have beaten federer "pathetic nobodies", in fact it's harsh to call anyone that. It's not blackjack, it's tennis, they clearly did something right.
 
ninman

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fps said:
Bit harsh to call men who have beaten federer "pathetic nobodies", in fact it's harsh to call anyone that. It's not blackjack, it's tennis, they clearly did something right.
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Caught him when he was in the middle of a slump you mean? Yep that's called being there at the right time, or lucky in other words.
 
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tuk

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I think Davydenko has a chance against Federer...I wouldn't put money on him but he's playing really well and you never know....
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So Djokovic beats Federer ONCE in a third set tiebreaker and suddenly he's the only player who can "beat Federer". What about Andy Murray last year, he did Federer in, in straight sets, or Canas, or Volandri. The last two are pathetic nobodies who got lucky, but it just proves my point.
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You are right about Djokovic, he barely beat Federer in a third set tiebreaker...and besides he still has to beat Moya first....Which I don't think he will....
And by the way do you really consider Cañas (number 14 in the world and former top ten) and Volandri (number 29 in the world) pathetic nobodies?...WOW :sad: ...I know it is not fair to campare regular people to pros but...how many times have you beaten Federer?...'cause if your answer is "0" and Cañas and Volandri are nobody, what that does make you?....
as I see it you must really be somebody important to consider them nobodies.....well either that or a really pathetic envious nobody ;).....
 
Andres

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tuk said:
I think Davydenko has a chance against Federer...I wouldn't put money on him but he's playing really well and you never know....

You are right about Djokovic, he barely beat Federer in a third set tiebreaker...and besides he still has to beat Moya first....Which I don't think he will....
And by the way do you really consider Cañas (number 14 in the world and former top ten) and Volandri (number 29 in the world) pathetic nobodies?...WOW :sad: ...I know it is not fair to campare regular people to pros but...how many times have you beaten Federer?...'cause if your answer is "0" and Cañas and Volandri are nobody, what that does make you?....
as I see it you must really be somebody important to consider them nobodies.....well either that or a really pathetic envious nobody ;).....
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And adding some spice to the mix: Cañas defeated Federer in 3 out of 4 times they plated.
 
0d1n

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ninman said:
So Djokovic beats Federer ONCE in a third set tiebreaker and suddenly he's the only player who can "beat Federer". What about Andy Murray last year, he did Federer in, in straight sets, or Canas, or Volandri. The last two are pathetic nobodies who got lucky, but it just proves my point.
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How long have you been in the ATP top 10 then ???!?!? Thought so ! Anybody who calls a person that's in the top 50 or even top 200 in the world at ANYTHING not only tennis "a pathetic nobody" is a freaking moron.
Are you top 100 in the world @ performing your job (i.e cleaning toilets in restaurants or whatever you do for a living ??!)

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On topic, I don't think that Davy has much of a chance unfortunately, I like his game and he deserves to be in slam finals. Unfortunately his chances to get to the final were against Fedster :|. I guess Davy has the same problem that everybody else has when it comes to competing / winning slam finals, Roger F. exists :).
 
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seestern

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I wish Davy some how win the first set, then he will get a little bit belief, then the match will be tight.
But only "if .. will be"
 
ninman

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0d1n said:
How long have you been in the ATP top 10 then ???!?!? Thought so ! Anybody who calls a person that's in the top 50 or even top 200 in the world at ANYTHING not only tennis "a pathetic nobody" is a freaking moron.
Are you top 100 in the world @ performing your job (i.e cleaning toilets in restaurants or whatever you do for a living ??!)

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On topic, I don't think that Davy has much of a chance unfortunately, I like his game and he deserves to be in slam finals. Unfortunately his chances to get to the final were against Fedster :|. I guess Davy has the same problem that everybody else has when it comes to competing / winning slam finals, Roger F. exists :).
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Since Canas reached the miami final have you heard about him in relation to tennis at all, this year? What about Volandri? Thought not. Unless you're a regular contender in tournaments and not a one hit wonder as Canas and Volandri were, you're a pathetic nobody.

Besides Federer will be remembered as the greatest player that's ever lived, Canas will be remembered as a juicer for all time, Volandri had one good tournament his whole life.

Just so you know, I'm a PhD student in Mathematics, and will probably end up being one of the foremost experts in my field. So I'm afraid you won't be challenging me at the next GS for toilet cleaners.
 
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Rhino

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Davydenko is 0-9 against Federer so his chances look slim.
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True but there have been some tight matches.

I remember that AO 2006 semi well. In the 3rd set Federer incredibly saved six set points before Davydenko choked at 7-6 in the tie-break with a double fault. One of those points would've given Davy a 2 sets to 1 lead, and may have altered the outcome of the 4th set tiebreak, who knows.

I doubt Federer will lose but Davy can be really dangerous sometimes.
 
ninman

ninman

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Can we please get back on topic. The answer to this thread is no Davydenko will not beat Federer. The reason is as Mark Petchy pointed out, he does not change his playing style or tactics against someone who he has a losing record against. He won't try anything new, that's what he did against Blake at Cincy and he lost again. Mark said he was really dissapointed, if that's what he's like then he will not win against Federer either.
 
diggler

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I haven't seen a Davydenko match during the open so I speak with absolutely no authority on this.

I did see Fed v Davydenko at the French and it went to 3 tights sets. A similar result would not surprise me. Davcydenko plays aggressive from the baseline taking it on the rise like Agassi. He is suited to the surface. I think he is mentally a bit flaky when the pressure is on.
 
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motrengaw

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Although Davydenko is a very good player he just doesn't have any real weapons to hurt Federer. It should be a straight set victory. The other men's match is much more interesting to me.
 
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ninman said:
Since Canas reached the miami final have you heard about him in relation to tennis at all, this year? What about Volandri? Thought not. Unless you're a regular contender in tournaments and not a one hit wonder as Canas and Volandri were, you're a pathetic nobody.

Besides Federer will be remembered as the greatest player that's ever lived, Canas will be remembered as a juicer for all time, Volandri had one good tournament his whole life.

Just so you know, I'm a PhD student in Mathematics, and will probably end up being one of the foremost experts in my field. So I'm afraid you won't be challenging me at the next GS for toilet cleaners.
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Canas has had some pretty good results this year. He lost to Nadal in the finals in Barcelona and went to the QF at the French. It takes a lot more than one tournament to go from unranked to 14th in the world in less than a year. Volandri got Fed on a bad day, but he's been a top 50 guy for a number of years with several good results in Clay events.

You have room for only about 6 non-pathetic nobodies in the world. It's very impressive that you can extrapolate being in a phD program to becoming a foremost expert in the field. By your own standards though, unless you're in serious contention for a Nobel Prize, you're a pathetic nobody. Good luck.
 
Fearsome Forehand

Fearsome Forehand

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Davy is a great baseline palyer. If he is on and Fed has a bad day anything can happen. But as the poster above so aptly pointed out, Davy is 0-9 against Fed so it would be a huge upset.

If Fed brings his A game like he did against Roddick theo other night, Davy is going home early. If Fed has his B or C game, maybe a different outcome.
 
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fps

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ninman said:
Since Canas reached the miami final have you heard about him in relation to tennis at all, this year? What about Volandri? Thought not. Unless you're a regular contender in tournaments and not a one hit wonder as Canas and Volandri were, you're a pathetic nobody.

Besides Federer will be remembered as the greatest player that's ever lived, Canas will be remembered as a juicer for all time, Volandri had one good tournament his whole life.

Just so you know, I'm a PhD student in Mathematics, and will probably end up being one of the foremost experts in my field. So I'm afraid you won't be challenging me at the next GS for toilet cleaners.
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Sorry mate, "probably" doesn't cut it, it's baseless boasting, do it then tell us. Example, I would probably have beaten Federer by now if ONLY i'd been spotted at our local welcome to tennis course when i was 8. In ten years I'll probably be an internationally famous rock star because I play a mean guitar. See how easy it is to talk crap on the internet?!
 
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fps

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Davydenko isn't going to beat Federer. He's good but not that good. Straight sets 6-3 6-4 6-3
 
drgnpride

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too much bad karma on the whole gambling thing, hate to say it but where there's smoke there's fire. davy goes down in straights.
 
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flying24

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If Federer plays like he did vs Roddick he will lose in 4 sets. However Federer is very good at raising his game for the stronger players. So I think he will raise his game for Davydenko recognizing the threat of a stronger opponent and prevail in 4 sets.
 
0d1n

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ninman said:
Since Canas reached the miami final have you heard about him in relation to tennis at all, this year? What about Volandri? Thought not. Unless you're a regular contender in tournaments and not a one hit wonder as Canas and Volandri were, you're a pathetic nobody.

Besides Federer will be remembered as the greatest player that's ever lived, Canas will be remembered as a juicer for all time, Volandri had one good tournament his whole life.

Just so you know, I'm a PhD student in Mathematics, and will probably end up being one of the foremost experts in my field. So I'm afraid you won't be challenging me at the next GS for toilet cleaners.
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Even IF you're telling the truth, there are thousands and thousands of PhD students in Math across the world, and I can guarantee that you're not even in the top 1000 between them. Canas, the one you're calling pathetic nobody and juicer is in the top 20 in his profession, and you will NEVER be there in yours. If you would be there, I would know your name, since I'm an Automation and Computer Science engineer currently working as a Software Engineer, and I had more than my fair share of Math in high school and the first 3 years of university. Since in my case Math wasn't THE purpose, it was just a necessary inconvenient for getting to my goal (i.e becoming a technical/ computer "geek") I can't pretend to be a math Summity but if you are/would be top 20 in math currently, I WOULD KNOW YOUR NAME. So if you care to tell me what that name is, and you are indeed a famous mathematician I will gladly eat my own words and apologize. Until then... please get some perspective on life before talking sh1t.
Thanks in advance.
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PS I'm not interested in a debate on whether math or tennis is more difficult/important. That's not the point of the discussion, and in my opinion it's much more difficult and rewarding being "number one" or "top ten" in whatever field instead of "above average" in another presumably more challenging field. Each of us is born with certain abilities, and people who are among the very best at SOMETHING (whatever that is) deserve more respect than being called "pathetic nobodies". Just my opinion...if you have a different one, that's fine by me. Peace ;)
 
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power_play21

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gametime21 said:
Davy has to play masterful tennis.. he has to hit the lines like no other.. Serve like a beast.. return with killer winners.. and some how get into Feds head that he might loose.

Chances.. I wouldn't bet a dollar on Davy.
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roddick did all that and look where he ended up

LOLOLOLOLOL
 
ninman

ninman

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fps said:
Sorry mate, "probably" doesn't cut it, it's baseless boasting, do it then tell us. Example, I would probably have beaten Federer by now if ONLY i'd been spotted at our local welcome to tennis course when i was 8. In ten years I'll probably be an internationally famous rock star because I play a mean guitar. See how easy it is to talk crap on the internet?!
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Fair enough, if you want to see a few of my publications then visit www.computing.dundee.ac.uk/staff/fraserstewart. You'll also find my CV on that site and the MSc thesis I wrote.
 
ninman

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0d1n said:
Even IF you're telling the truth, there are thousands and thousands of PhD students in Math across the world, and I can guarantee that you're not even in the top 1000 between them. Canas, the one you're calling pathetic nobody and juicer is in the top 20 in his profession, and you will NEVER be there in yours. If you would be there, I would know your name, since I'm an Automation and Computer Science engineer currently working as a Software Engineer, and I had more than my fair share of Math in high school and the first 3 years of university. Since in my case Math wasn't THE purpose, it was just a necessary inconvenient for getting to my goal (i.e becoming a technical/ computer "geek") I can't pretend to be a math Summity but if you are/would be top 20 in math currently, I WOULD KNOW YOUR NAME. So if you care to tell me what that name is, and you are indeed a famous mathematician I will gladly eat my own words and apologize. Until then... please get some perspective on life before talking sh1t.
Thanks in advance.
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PS I'm not interested in a debate on whether math or tennis is more difficult/important. That's not the point of the discussion, and in my opinion it's much more difficult and rewarding being "number one" or "top ten" in whatever field instead of "above average" in another presumably more challenging field. Each of us is born with certain abilities, and people who are among the very best at SOMETHING (whatever that is) deserve more respect than being called "pathetic nobodies". Just my opinion...if you have a different one, that's fine by me. Peace ;)
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I would try and argue with you, but I really just can't be arsed. I told you when I'VE FINISHED MY PHD I will PROBABLY be one of the foremost experts IN MY FIELD. It happens to be a fairly small field at the moment, but the guys who work in it are very, very good, and I'd rank myself amongst them.

I did manage to get two papers from a 50 page MSc thesis, which is extremely rare, even in Combinatorial Game Theory, which is a really new area and hence it's "easy" to get new results. Over all maths, it's even more rare, so I suppose I have potential, but it's very hard to become world famous after only 1 year into a PhD.

Btw, I don't study Math, I do study MathS however. If you knew anything about Mathematics then you should at least know that it's plural not singular.
 
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CyBorg

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ninman said:
I don't study Math, I do study MathS however. You're right, there are many fields and areas in mathematics and many PhD students in them, but I managed to publish two papers from a 50 page MSc thesis, and that is incredibly rare over mathematics, in my field, I'm probably one of the better ones.

Anyway this isnt about me and my achievements, this is about Canas and his achievements, and amongst Tennis players he hasn't done anything really, and that goes for Volandri as well. Apart from winning one MS can you name another significant achievement from Canas?
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A masters series crown is a significant achievement for a tennis player. Being a top 10 player in the world is pretty gosh darn elite.
 
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