You're looking for insults that aren't there. I have repeatedly said I think Nadal is a tier-1 all time great.
I said I think Djokovic has a shot at tier-1 all time great. For me, that means 10 GS. I'm not getting carried away -- I'm saying Djokovic has a shot at it. If he wins the USO, he'll have 4 and will be almost half-way there.
I don't know if Djokovic will do that. No one does. But I certainly wouldn't bet against it, given how he's been playing. To me, he looks like the next great dominating player.
I don't think Nole will be tier-1 all time great.
He will be tier-2 if he can win around 7-8 majors.
This I can respect and I admit I am extremely hard on Djokovic b/c I just don't like the guy and I KNOW he is not a better player than Nadal or Federer. That's why it's so hard for me to see him ranked as the #1 player. But yes, he does deserve to be ranked #1 this year....he's just not really the #1 player in the world if that makes any sense. Nadal is the best player in the world because Federer is out of his prime.
You're looking for insults that aren't there. I have repeatedly said I think Nadal is a tier-1 all time great.
I said I think Djokovic has a shot at tier-1 all time great. For me, that means 10 GS. I'm not getting carried away -- I'm saying Djokovic has a shot at it. If he wins the USO, he'll have 4 and will be almost half-way there.
I don't know if Djokovic will do that. No one does. But I certainly wouldn't bet against it, given how he's been playing. To me, he looks like the next great dominating player.
Federer was not playing at the level he used to play and Djokovic was darn lucky that Federer started showing signs of that . After viewing the Nadal /Murray game today which I recorded I was very impressed to see that the play was more impressive with both Murray and Nadal - a far more exciting match in fact
I'm just disappointed in his 5 set record.
Sampras was an inferior player. But ONE THING he did better was win in 5 sets.
Federer, we are discovering, is a great front-runner but an average come-from-behind player.
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I agree, there is no legitimate argument whatsoever that Djokovic isn't the best player in the world. Anyone trying to say he isn't the best player in the world right now has no credibility.
That is so not how I saw it. The Federer/Djokovic match was a much better match overall even though Federer blew it. The Nadal/Murray match was basically a slaughter. Murray never had a chance.
This I can respect and I admit I am extremely hard on Djokovic b/c I just don't like the guy and I KNOW he is not a better player than Nadal or Federer. That's why it's so hard for me to see him ranked as the #1 player. But yes, he does deserve to be ranked #1 this year....he's just not really the #1 player in the world if that makes any sense. Nadal is the best player in the world because Federer is out of his prime.
If it was a slaughter as you put it then Murray was putting up a very good opposition. He was clearly exhausted after the Isner match - never had much time for rest . Imagine trying to return the sort of serves that Isner repeatedly sent him? Every bone in his body must have been aching
Slam count alone is useless and narrow minded. It's like hey, that player has got 8 slams and the other one 5 so the one with 11 is better. Not taking into account the field he played against, other tournaments, the way he won.
To me Mc Enroe was a greater player than Borg, though he has 4 majors less.
When Djokovic wins this USO and the Year End Masters or World tour finals or whatever it's named , and has another year like this, beating Fedal time after time and then retires for whatever reason for me he's the GOAT (Wel, maybe tied with Sampras). It means more than winning all those slams with the Roddicks and Hewitt's of this world as your main opponents. Ok, and a Spanish teenager who Fed could't beat anymore after Nadal reached his full potential. Yeah, the *******s call it weak era crap of course, but it's so true when you put things in the right perspective.
This is why I believe Del Potro is GOAT. He won against all odds against a prime Nadal giving him the worst slam loss of his career then beat a Federer in the final who held 2 slams on the year and also had another final with a narrow loss.
Slam count doesn't matter, I've never seen Federer beat both Nadal and Federer in a slam as impressively as that which tips the scale in DelPo's favour.
Murray was putting up a good opposition? LOL. You and I were clearly watching different matches because Nadal was in control in my eyes the entire match. I did not think for a minute that Murray would win that match, tired or not.
This is why I believe Del Potro is GOAT. He won against all odds against a prime Nadal giving him the worst slam loss of his career then beat a Federer in the final who held 2 slams on the year and also had another final with a narrow loss.
To my fellow Federer fans, don't be depressed! I fully understand that it does hurt when your favorite player loses, I was sad also, but it is important to always keep things in perspective.
Federer is STILL playing great, and is still in the mix. Despite having played and won so much, to still be competing when that passion could have fizzled out after 09 is a credit to the man.
Slam count alone is useless and narrow minded. It's like hey, that player has got 8 slams and the other one 5 so the one with 11 is better. Not taking into account the field he played against, other tournaments, the way he won.
To me Mc Enroe was a greater player than Borg, though he has 4 majors less.
When Djokovic wins this USO and the Year End Masters or World tour finals or whatever it's named , and has another year like this, beating Fedal time after time and then retires for whatever reason for me he's the GOAT (Wel, maybe tied with Sampras). It means more than winning all those slams with the Roddicks and Hewitt's of this world as your main opponents. Ok, and a Spanish teenager who Fed could't beat anymore after Nadal reached his full potential. Yeah, the *******s call it weak era crap of course, but it's so true when you put things in the right perspective.
Sure, there was a time when WTF was way more important than AO but currently that simply doesn't apply anymore. WTF is a nice bonus but it's nowhere near as relevant as slams, whether you consider coverage, impact, records, etc. Djoko has already won WTF but I think the 3 slams and breaking master record for a season were more important than winning WTF again.
Ask Davydenko if he would exchange his WTF title for a slam. I bet I know the answer.
It's also difficult to take WTF too seriously nowadays when the top players are so washed out by the time they get there that Fed for instance managed to win the title without having to face 2 of the best 3 players of the season (Murray and Djoko). That would be highly unlikely in a slam (to win AO 2011, he would have had to beat Djoko and Murray, RG 2011: Djoko and Nadal, W: Djoko and Nadal, USO: Djoko and Nadal. Not a coincidence that he could win WTF but no slam last year, not the same level of competition.)
I had hopes of a Fed win *before* the game. But a little after the start and watching all the passing shots, the UFEs on the FH side, and the general panicky play, it was clear that it wasn't going to be Fed's day. It was just like any of the other Rafa-Fed GS matches where Fed just couldn't put it across.
Call it a bad matchup, Fed's refusal to adopt tactics, or whatever, there's no point in expecting that Fed will get past Rafa in a GS until he actually starts beating him consistently outdoors in best of 3. Just like there's no point in expecting that Rafa will beat Djoker in a GS.
So yeah, all said and done it was easier to take, than say the USO 2011 SF.
Why is veroniquem in this thread meant for sad and sulking Federer fans?
Does that prove troll-like behaviour? Perhaps the biggest indicator to date. There's only one reason why a Fed-hater/********* would want to enter this thread and that's to feed on our misery.
Oh sorry, I read all the threads. I just wanted to remark on the specific subject of WTF. It is kind of off topic though. I won't disturb your mourning anymore, no problem.
Why is veroniquem in this thread meant for sad and sulking Federer fans?
I am depressed and need a shoulder to cry on. I can't take watching such a great player get old.
Slam count alone is useless and narrow minded. It's like hey, that player has got 8 slams and the other one 5 so the one with 11 is better. Not taking into account the field he played against, other tournaments, the way he won.
To me Mc Enroe was a greater player than Borg, though he has 4 majors less.
When Djokovic wins this USO and the Year End Masters or World tour finals or whatever it's named , and has another year like this, beating Fedal time after time and then retires for whatever reason for me he's the GOAT (Wel, maybe tied with Sampras). It means more than winning all those slams with the Roddicks and Hewitt's of this world as your main opponents. Ok, and a Spanish teenager who Fed could't beat anymore after Nadal reached his full potential. Yeah, the *******s call it weak era crap of course, but it's so true when you put things in the right perspective.
Lets talk again in six months!!!!!!!!!! Fed 4 Life.
Here is a picture of me yesterday.