Federer > Djokovic prime to prime at slams except on plexi AO

[blablavla]

blah blah arguing about a bunch of nothing.

Username checks out.

what happened with your request of freezing account?
need attention so desperately that decided that you're not going to freeze it?

 

[NoleFam]

yes I responded to yourself, to the post #161:


but this post, #161 wasn't the result of me inviting you in this thread because of Lew activity.
you decided to post it
you decided to take Lew side, because "At least Lew cherry picks with stats and facts..."
and there I questioned your statement and the rant began
and just like I was ranting about Lew, you and Nole Slam started to rant about USO and TMF

so, if you're fine with Lew, then you should be fine with me and with USO and TMF

it looks like there is no way for us to agree on this topic

It's not even your thread so why would you be inviting anyone in here? @Nole Slam and I aren't tagging you though complaining about USO and TMF, probably because we don't care enough. For someone who is supposedly not a Fed fan, you sure are going hard defending Fed trolls.

 

[BackhandDTL]

what happened with your request of freezing account?
need attention so desperately that decided that you're not going to freeze it?

Nah. I thought Sabratha wasn’t going to get banned.

Nice red herring though. Doesn’t change the fact that you are a hypocritical troll that likes to argue about a bunch of nothing.

“Let’s respect everybody”

*Proceeds to like USO’s posts and sh!ts on Djokovic ad inifinitim*

Bahaha

 

[blablavla]

It's not even your thread so why would you be inviting anyone in here? @Nole Slam and I aren't tagging you though complaining about USO and TMF though, probably because we don't care enough. For someone who is supposedly not a Fed fan, you sure are going hard defending Fed trolls.

and here we go circles again.
I'm done with this discussion.

let's agree to disagree
or not
I don't care to be honest with you

 

[blablavla]

Nah. I thought Sabratha wasn’t going to get banned.

Nice red herring though. Doesn’t change the fact that you are a hypocritical troll that likes to argue about a bunch of nothing.

“Let’s respect everybody”

*Proceeds to like USO’s posts and sh!ts on Djokovic ad inifinitim*

Bahaha

ok, now I know that you're my follower

 

[RS]

Don't know.
Anecdotal evidence is that Fed is undefeated at fantasy tennis.
Since I'm here, Nadal has yet to lose once when fully fit & injured. He has such an impressive cabinet full of TTW Moral Champions trophies that it's difficult to describe. Only WTF sits there at an impressive 15 trophies.

Djokovic as well has to lose one match when focused.

Actually it's the Fed that suffers the most fantasy defeats since I'm browsing here

Not as much as Federer in my view.

 

[NoleFam]

and here we go circles again.
I'm done with this discussion.

let's agree to disagree
or not
I don't care to be honest with you

Yes let's end this discussion please.

 

[RS]

Nah. I thought Sabratha wasn’t going to get banned.

Nice red herring though. Doesn’t change the fact that you are a hypocritical troll that likes to argue about a bunch of nothing.

“Let’s respect everybody”

*Proceeds to like USO’s posts and sh!ts on Djokovic ad inifinitim*

Bahaha

Yeah this thread has exposed a fair bit in posters.

 

[BackhandDTL]

Yes let's end this discussion please.

Meh. Don’t get your hopes up too much about that

 

[RS]

9 pages. Imagine the big 3 reading all this crap and finding out how many rabid fans they have

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

9 pages. Imagine the big 3 reading all this crap and finding out how many rabid fans they have

I'm sure they're aware but would obviously never dream of engaging, hooh. This bickering means nothing to them. Public opinion does, but TTW holds no sway as it's just about two hundred of us among millions of tennis fans worldwide.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

It's worse, since it also implies that prime Djok would suck on RA compared to Fed. Which is false, and based on absolutely nothing.

But it's fine, as it is in accordance with the rest/most of OP's clueless assumptions which he tries so hard to present as proof, so people should be used to it by now.

Abmk may take these boards and himself way too seriously but his assumptions are hardly worse than your own, oho. This thread is a trollish exaggeration btw.

 

[RS]

I'm sure they're aware but would obviously never dream of engaging, hooh. This bickering means nothing to them. Public opinion does, but TTW holds no sway as it's just about two hundred of us among millions of tennis fans worldwide.

Imagine all 3 reacting together to a lone thread

 

[RS]

apart from Wimbledon finals of 2007 and 2008, I can’t think of any version of Nadal that played better on grass than 2006. That semifinal against baghdatis was ridiculously good. Nadal was ultra agressive off both wings and his movement was surreal. IMO, Nadal in 2006, on grass, was peakdal.

2018 SF?

 

[Incognito]

2018 SF?

lol No.

2018 version wouldn’t be able to compete physically.

 

[RS]

lol No.

2018 version wouldn’t be able to compete physically.

I do not rate 2006 Nadal on gras as high as you in that case.

 

[The Guru]

Of course you can, but is it true really?

I'm not qualified to say. I don't know enough about old tennis and even if I did the game has changed so much that it's just tough to say. I will say I think that clayovic (and clayerer too honestly) gets underrated quite a bit. Djokovic had more of a natural clay game/style when he was younger and Nadal's insane greatness caused him to change styles to suit more fast surfaces. In a world without Nadal we probably talk about Djokovic as up there with Borg on the dirt instead of on grass.

 

[TMF]

Hypothetical Novak always loses. Luckily for him real life Novak does better

False.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

I'm not qualified to say. I don't know enough about old tennis and even if I did the game has changed so much that it's just tough to say. I will say I think that clayovic (and clayerer too honestly) gets underrated quite a bit. Djokovic had more of a natural clay game/style when he was younger and Nadal's insane greatness caused him to change styles to suit more fast surfaces. In a world without Nadal we probably talk about Djokovic as up there with Borg on the dirt instead of on grass.

Djokovic's 2007 results make it strikingly obvious he's much more naturally suited to hardcourt than clay or grass.
Good thing the longevity hoarding logic can't apply here at least. Disgusting to see former champs underrated just because they lacked longevity in an era where attaining it was clearly more difficult.

 

[metsman]

Djokovic's 2007 results make it strikingly obvious he's much more naturally suited to hardcourt than clay or grass.

Yes, it's clear he doesn't like slippery surfaces. He worked very hard I think on his comfort level on grass, and on clay his strokes are so good for the surface he was always going to be good, but I don't think he's a natural sliding on the surface either.

 

[GabeT]

False.

 

[TMF]

The most dominant tennis player in his respective era is Roger Federer.

From 2004 - 2009, prime/peak Federer amazes us by winning a staggering 14 out of 24 slams !

He made 20 slam final appearances:

reaches 10 consecutive finals​

reaches 4 finals in a season 3 times​

won 3 out of 4 slams in a season 3 times​

reaches 23 out of 24 slam semifinals​

He accumulated 240 weeks at the top of the ATP rankings including an astonishing 237 consecutive weeks.
5 out of 6 years he ended the YE #1.

Prime Federer's dominance and consistency is off the charts !

Nadal, Nole, Borg or Sampras are great in their respective era, but they are in a debate for a distant second.

 

[GabeT]

 

[The Guru]

Djokovic's 2007 results make it strikingly obvious he's much more naturally suited to hardcourt than clay or grass.
Good thing the longevity hoarding logic can't apply here at least. Disgusting to see former champs underrated just because they lacked longevity in an era where attaining it was clearly more difficult.

I agree with that too an extent but as much as Novak's a better mover on HC his swings were definitely more a clay court type of technique. His first title and his first slam match win QF/SF were all on the dirt. As much as I generally agree with your second sentence it's hard to cut Borg that slack when it was clearly his fault.

 

[NoleFam]

Djokovic's 2007 results make it strikingly obvious he's much more naturally suited to hardcourt than clay or grass.
Good thing the longevity hoarding logic can't apply here at least. Disgusting to see former champs underrated just because they lacked longevity in an era where attaining it was clearly more difficult.

If anything, 2007 showed Djokovic was going to be good on all surfaces but more dangerous on hardcourt and grass. His 2007 Wimbledon run is highly underrated and he got to the SF over some pretty good players. That match against Baghdatis was a thriller and that's when Baggy could still bring the goods. That was one of the best matches of Baggy's career but Djokovic edged him. Too bad the schedule did him in and he got bad blisters from playing so many matches in a row because in that form, he had a real chance to beat Nadal and make the final. His 2007 RG draw was pretty easy to get to the SF.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

I agree with that too an extent but as much as Novak's a better mover on HC his swings were definitely more a clay court type of technique. His first title and his first slam match win QF/SF were all on the dirt. As much as I generally agree with your second sentence it's hard to cut Borg that slack when it was clearly his fault.

Idiotic decision to ban him from slams because he didn't sign up for the required number of season events wasn't his fault. The way tennis authorities basically told Borg good riddance for daring defy them was nothing short of appalling. Nothing like today when top stars are brutally catered to. Put Djokovic in that situation and watch him explode lel.

 

[RS]

If anything, 2007 showed Djokovic was going to be good on all surfaces but more dangerous on hardcourt and grass. His 2007 Wimbledon run is highly underrated and he got to the SF over some pretty good players. That match against Baghdatis was a thriller and that's when Baggy could still bring the goods. That was one of the best matches of Baggy's career but Djokovic edged him. Too bad the schedule did him in and he got bad blisters from playing so many matches in a row because in that form, he had a real chance to beat Nadal and make the final. His 2007 RG draw was pretty easy to get to the SF.

Baggy peaked was AO 06 he gave a peaking Federer a tough match for a while.

 

[NoleFam]

Baggy peaked was AO 06 he gave a peaking Federer a tough match for a while.

Baggy was actually really good in AO 2006. He kind of gets a bad rap but he played damn good that tournament. I watched most of his run. His 3rd best Slam run was definitely 2007 Wimbledon, after 2006 W. 2007 might even be a higher level. I thought for a while he was making the SF. I'll never forget that match. That's how good it was and that was really when Djokovic caught my eye and appeared to be more than a flash in a pan Masters champ.

 

[The Guru]

Idiotic decision to ban him from slams because he didn't sign up for the required number of season events wasn't his fault. The way tennis authorities basically told Borg good riddance for daring defy them was nothing short of appalling. Nothing like today when top stars are brutally catered to. Put Djokovic in that situation and watch him explode lel.

Well the only reason he was in that position in the first place was because he wasn't focused on tennis and was partying so much and what not. It's not like had they let Borg play he would've lasted like Connors did. Mentally he was pretty toast. At least that's my impression.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

If anything, 2007 showed Djokovic was going to be good on all surfaces but more dangerous on hardcourt and grass. His 2007 Wimbledon run is highly underrated and he got to the SF over some pretty good players. That match against Baghdatis was a thriller and that's when Baggy could still bring the goods. That was one of the best matches of Baggy's career but Djokovic edged him. Too bad the schedule did him in and he got bad blisters from playing so many matches in a row because in that form, he had a real chance to beat Nadal and make the final. His 2007 RG draw was pretty easy to get to the SF.

Djokovic played four straight close matches to get to WB SF and heavily relied on his youthful TBGOATness winning 8 of 10 TBs he contested along the way. A very hard-fought path to the semifinal. He was obviously not quite attuned to the surface and had to use a lot of grit to get through.

 

[RS]

Baggy was actually really good in AO 2006. He kind of gets a bad rap but he played damn good that tournament. I watched most of his run. His 3rd best Slam run was definitely 2007 Wimbledon, after 2006 W. I thought for a while he was making the SF. I'll never forget that match. That's how good it was and that was really when Djokovic caught my eye and appeared to be more than a flash in a pan Masters champ.

Shame Baggy gassed out in the end he beat 3 top 10s to reach the final.

Djokovic was very good in 2007 indeed. He was on fire in Miami 2007.

 

[The Guru]

Djokovic played four straight close matches to get to WB SF and heavily relied on his youthful TBGOATness winning 8 of 10 TBs he contested along the way. A very hard-fought path to the semifinal. He was obviously not quite attuned to the surface and had to use a lot of grit to get through.

Strange that Novak was able to take a set of Rafa before his body gave. Rafa was quite **** before the final wasn't he. Does make you wonder if that final is a bit overrated? Might have to give it a rewatch.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Well the only reason he was in that position in the first place was because he wasn't focused on tennis and was partying so much and what not. It's not like had they let Borg play he would've lasted like Connors did. Mentally he was pretty toast. At least that's my impression.

Much easier to keep going these days for a top player, with a sizeable entourage, exorbitant cheques and receiving due preferences in tournaments. Borg wouldn't persist to the extreme like Connors but surely in a friendlier environment he could've done damage for a couple more years.

 

[NoleFam]

Djokovic played four straight close matches to get to WB SF and heavily relied on his youthful TBGOATness winning 8 of 10 TBs he contested along the way. A very hard-fought path to the semifinal. He was obviously not quite attuned to the surface and had to use a lot of grit to get through.

Of course he had to use grit. You just don't step on the grass and start mastering it. Ask Sampras and Federer. But Djokovic took to it faster than they did and getting to the SF at barely 20 and beating two top 20 players in a row, with both being good on grass, in back to back days is impressive.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Strange that Novak was able to take a set of Rafa before his body gave. Rafa was quite **** before the final wasn't he. Does make you wonder if that final is a bit overrated? Might have to give it a rewatch.

I guess Novak was quite shyt before the 2011 final too then, what was his scoreline against teenage qualifier Tomic again...

Nadal was thrown off by rain delays in the Söderling match and was sloppy after that against Youzhny but Colonel's back failing him mid-match gave Nadal a much needed reprieve and he was good afterwards, dropping one set won't change that.

 

[Deleted member 777746]

Federer had 3 pet Slams. Nadal and Djokovic just have 1.

I think what you're trying to diplomatically hint at is that Fed played in a Vacuum Era (the Vacuum Era) whereas Nole and Nadal had a strong era, which is why he had 3 pet slams to their one. There, I said it for ya. You can still run for TTW President.

 

[RS]

Strange that Novak was able to take a set of Rafa before his body gave. Rafa was quite **** before the final wasn't he. Does make you wonder if that final is a bit overrated? Might have to give it a rewatch.

Ever wonder if Djokovic of 11/15 could keep that level up vs 07 Federer on grass?

 

[Deleted member 777746]

Ever wonder if Djokovic of 11/15 could keep that level up vs 07 Federer on grass?

No I don't. That was a year that Peak Fed was taken to 5 by the Clay GOAT...on...on grass. The two years you picked were Peak Nole, one of which he thrashed Nadal who almost beat Fed, and the other he thrashed Fed himself

 

[xFedal]

Ever wonder if Djokovic of 11/15 could keep that level up vs 07 Federer on grass?

Yes probably beat Fed in 07. Fed of 03 and 05 was the best Versions on Wimby. Choke from Roddick in 2004 and 09.

 

[InsideOut900]

Strange that Novak was able to take a set of Rafa before his body gave. Rafa was quite **** before the final wasn't he. Does make you wonder if that final is a bit overrated? Might have to give it a rewatch.

Neah, it was sort of like 2014 Novak in the sense that he played his best match in the final, but wasn't as sharp before that.
The 2007 F was there levelwise.

 

[mike danny]

If anything, 2007 showed Djokovic was going to be good on all surfaces but more dangerous on hardcourt and grass. His 2007 Wimbledon run is highly underrated and he got to the SF over some pretty good players. That match against Baghdatis was a thriller and that's when Baggy could still bring the goods. That was one of the best matches of Baggy's career but Djokovic edged him. Too bad the schedule did him in and he got bad blisters from playing so many matches in a row because in that form, he had a real chance to beat Nadal and make the final. His 2007 RG draw was pretty easy to get to the SF.

Yeah, always bwlieved his 2007 Wimb run was underrated. Beat a pretty good Hewitt and in form Baghdatis sho was still good back then.

 

[RS]

Yes probably beat Fed in 07. Fed of 03 and 05 was the best Versions on Wimby. Choke from Roddick in 2004 and 09.

Djokovic had trouble with 14/15 Fed as well so it is even.

 

[Hitman]

Laughs in Hitman.

Next time you want to mention me, tag me in properly.

 

[RS]

Neah, it was sort of like 2014 Novak in the sense that he played his best match in the final, but wasn't as sharp before that.
The 2007 F was there levelwise.

Better than the 2014 final by a mile.

 

[MeatTornado]

It's rare for fanbases to call out their own tbh. It would be nice if we there was a united front against the more toxic members of the forum but it will simply never happen.

That's how you end up labeled a traitor lol

 

[RS]

No I don't. That was a year that Peak Fed was taken to 5 by the Clay GOAT...on...on grass. The two years you picked were Peak Nole, one of which he thrashed Nadal who almost beat Fed, and the other he thrashed Fed himself

Was far from a thrashing in both matches Nole won but okay if you are confident.

 

[The Guru]

Ever wonder if Djokovic of 11/15 could keep that level up vs 07 Federer on grass?

Ever wonder if the only reason it appears Nadal kept that high of a level was that he had a matchup advantage and Fed played scared against him? That I certainly wonder.

 

[mike danny]

Baggy was actually really good in AO 2006. He kind of gets a bad rap but he played damn good that tournament. I watched most of his run. His 3rd best Slam run was definitely 2007 Wimbledon, after 2006 W. 2007 might even be a higher level. I thought for a while he was making the SF. I'll never forget that match. That's how good it was and that was really when Djokovic caught my eye and appeared to be more than a flash in a pan Masters champ.

A shame I can't find any highlights of Djokovic's matches with Hewitt and Baghdatis.

 

[RS]

Ever wonder if the only reason it appears Nadal kept that high of a level was that he had a matchup advantage and Fed played scared against him? That I certainly wonder.

Djokovic had a bigger advantage (if such a thing exists) with Federer in post 2012 matches than any Nadal had in 07 vs Federer though.

 

[mike danny]

Ever wonder if the only reason it appears Nadal kept that high of a level was that he had a matchup advantage and Fed played scared against him? That I certainly wonder.

Well, you can say the same thing about the 2011 Djokovic slam finals against Nadal or even better, Djoko's 2015 slam finals against Fed.