Final Slam count - Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas
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BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Med: 4
Zverev: 3
Greek Narcissist: 1
And that's being charitable. None are ATG material.
Zverev: 3
Greek Narcissist: 1
And that's being charitable. None are ATG material.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
People thought the same of Nadal and Djokovic, and somebody has to win the next ten years of Slams.
Personally, I am not sure. I didn't give them each 20 Slam titles, but if one of them breaks through and collects 8+, I won't be surprised.
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Medvedev 3
Zverev 21
Tsitsipas 2
Zverev 21
Tsitsipas 2
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown....and it shows. First, he needs to fix his mentality. No negativity on court. More like Rafa, less like Murray.
Also, although I think Uncle Toni helped him add some margin, Felix should stand on top of the baseline. Tee off on some of these second serves, pressure his opponent, throw in some serve-and-volley. And button up that forehand. It looked better in 2019 than it does now.
Nadal_King
Hall of Fame
Medvedev- 5 ( 3 Uo,2 Ao)
Zverev- 7 (2 Ao, 2 Rg, 1 Wimbledon, 2 Uo)
Tsitsipas- 2 ( Rg)
Zverev- 7 (2 Ao, 2 Rg, 1 Wimbledon, 2 Uo)
Tsitsipas- 2 ( Rg)
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
People might have thought that of Djokovic in 2010.
I don't think that ever was the majority opinion on Nadal.
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
I don't think anyone was quite so silly about Nadal, but lots of people said things like "he'll never win off clay" and then "he'll always struggle on hard" and then "he'll be finished by the time he's in his late 20s".
Ultimately, Nadal and Djokovic both show you how much a player can evolve and change. I think people are quite premature to assume that players in their early 20s can't change and improve a lot.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
You'd need to be kinda delusional to say that
2005: Miami F, Canada W, Madrid W
2006: Wimbledon F
2007: Indian Wells W, Wimbledon F
Unless what you meant was, "he'll never be as good as Fed off clay"
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
Nadal always was so Fierce
Tennisfan339
Professional
Medvedev: between 7 and 9 (most in AO and USO, maybe 1 Wimbledon)
Zverev: 5 or 6 (but if anyone can win the career slam, it's him...)
Tsitsipas: 1 or 2. (in RG, maybe in AO)
Zverev: 5 or 6 (but if anyone can win the career slam, it's him...)
Tsitsipas: 1 or 2. (in RG, maybe in AO)
Med - 4
Stef-1
Zverev-0
LOL @ anyone who predicts 7+ for any of these guys. I mean, that's getting into the territory of legends like Mac, Lendl, Agassi. None of these guys are or are likely to ever be close to that. Tennis is dead if any of these guys becomes as great as Agassi, that would be the saddest day in history
Stef-1
Zverev-0
LOL @ anyone who predicts 7+ for any of these guys. I mean, that's getting into the territory of legends like Mac, Lendl, Agassi. None of these guys are or are likely to ever be close to that. Tennis is dead if any of these guys becomes as great as Agassi, that would be the saddest day in history
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
There was always talk about him being great on clay, but people laughed when he said he wanted to win Wimbledon. Not that long ago there was even a lot of doubt about whether he would ever win the USO.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Sure, but the ship has sailed for Zed and Med. And especially Thiem.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
People were silly. Nadal was never just a claycourter.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
If Zed and Med become ATGs, tennis really went down the drain 
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
If Zed and Med become ATGs, tennis really went down the drain
Yes, but no one yet has stepped up to challenge them for M1000s, let alone the Slams (outside of Djokovic).
mike danny
Bionic Poster
A fair point. Maybe the gen after them will do it.
Tennisfan339
Professional
But who is going to win the Grand Slams in the upcoming 10 years, if not Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas?
Djokovic/Nadal may still win a few ones in 2022 and 2023. But what about the 28 Grand Slams in 2024-2030? If Medvedev /Zverev / Tsitsipas only win 5 slams like you say, who is gonna win the other 23 slams held between 2024 and 2030?
As of today there isn't anyone else who seems capable of taking over and winning all these Grand Slams. Alcaraz and Sinner seem like the best hopes at the moment, but it's still way too soon to predict they will be better than Medvedev and Zverev.
Unless there is new blood coming (and they need to hurry up), it's clear to me Zverev/Medvedev/Tsitsipas rack up a lot more than 0, 1 and 4.
A range of players probably like the women's for the last 5 years, there are only 5 players in the open era who have won 10+ slams so it's the exception not the norm and remember Zed and Med are still young but I'm skeptical that they have the body types to dominate for 10 years, it's not a coincidence that the 4 greatest players of the last 30 years are all more or less the same height
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Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
However, is it that common on the ATP to not have a dominant no. 1?
Depends on the definition of dominant. Federer and Djokovic reinvented it, I think it's unlikely we'd ever see a nextgen guy with a stranglehold on the #1 spot like Novak has had, especially since none of them are all surface GS contenders.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Yes, I definitely think the Big 3 are an anomaly. Still, I think someone or some subset of players will control the top positions.
Larry Duff
Legend
2/0/0
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
2 what?
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Medvedev won't win a French or Wimbledon (though he might get close). I think he gets 2 more between AO/USO.
Zverev can indeed win anywhere so simple math says he could hit 4-6 category. I personally think he gets 3.
Tsitsipas is younger with a seemingly nice trajectory. I could see 3-6 for him depending on clay field and draws at AO/USO. Going with 4.
So final:
Tsitsipas: 4
Zverev & Medvedev: 3
Zverev can indeed win anywhere so simple math says he could hit 4-6 category. I personally think he gets 3.
Tsitsipas is younger with a seemingly nice trajectory. I could see 3-6 for him depending on clay field and draws at AO/USO. Going with 4.
So final:
Tsitsipas: 4
Zverev & Medvedev: 3
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Combined, yes.
NAS
Hall of Fame
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Don't think they'll ever dominate. I think Alcaraz will reign before Djokovic retires.
Bubcay
Legend
Before the Big 3 made this possible, stating something like this would be a blasphemy
. The standards are so much different now than a decade ago.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Sure, I suspect it will be on the shorter side, but you never know. Perhaps, one player ends up with advantage over the others. Look at the players that came of age around Federer's age.
But clearly we have had a changing of the guard at the M1000s levels, and there has finally been a small breakthrough at the Slams.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Who thought that? I certainly didn't think Rafa or Djoker would win just 3-4 slams. It was obvious both would win far more than that. Nobody predicted 20 majors, but 8 slams each was a common prediction in 2006 for Rafa and in 2009 for Novak.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
I'm not talking about number of Slams or specific posters. I mentioned that there were people who doubted that they would be ATGs.
FlamingCheeto
Hall of Fame
2,0,0
Veronica245
New User
Med 2-3
Zverev 0
Stef 1-2 Prob RG
Zverev’s time is now, unfortunately for him, it’s also Meds time, and I will take him in a slam every time against “never beaten a top 10 player in a slam” Zverev. It’s going to be like the WTA no one is going to dominate and they are all mentally fragile. Each of the top ten can take one slam if they come to in in good form And get lucky draw.
This still pending not knowing what Alcaraz would be, he could be great or not…..Tsitsipas is in a way lucky because he is better on clay then them and can take RG. I also don’t think Zverev or Med will play past their very early 30s. Guys that tall, running like that … that body will break down.
Zverev 0
Stef 1-2 Prob RG
Zverev’s time is now, unfortunately for him, it’s also Meds time, and I will take him in a slam every time against “never beaten a top 10 player in a slam” Zverev. It’s going to be like the WTA no one is going to dominate and they are all mentally fragile. Each of the top ten can take one slam if they come to in in good form And get lucky draw.
This still pending not knowing what Alcaraz would be, he could be great or not…..Tsitsipas is in a way lucky because he is better on clay then them and can take RG. I also don’t think Zverev or Med will play past their very early 30s. Guys that tall, running like that … that body will break down.
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
Don't forget Thiem. I know he's been out with injury, but he's actually won a GS, and made three other GS finals. He's a bit older than the guys mentioned here, but if he is fit and healthy again he will be in the mix too.
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