Head Prestige Classic - why is it special ?

SC in MA

Professional
TW is re-releasing the Head Prestige Classic, which seems to have created quite a buzz. So, having never played with the PC, I was wondering what makes this racket so special. I did a search and didn't really find a definitive answer.

Can someone summarize what makes the PC so special ?

And what kind of player would benefit from the characteristics of the PC ?
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
What made this frame special was the sheer number of pros using this frame back in the day..seemed like half of the pros back then were using this frame. Who knows if this is even the same frame the Pros were actually using.
I think the only thing special about this frame is the feel of the Twaron material in the layup. I would still like to know if the current version of this frame contains Twaron.
As to the playablity of this frame. it is for 5.0 and up precision flatter ball hitters. it's got great control (when you find the sweetspot), is low powered and has a very small sweetspot.
 

thejerk

Semi-Pro
The racket is awesome. The feel is great. The only downside is swing weight. The swing weight is also one of the things that makes it so nice. Although I have trouble winning with this racket, I still use it. If you like hitting and smashing things, this racket is the best.

The kind of player that would best benefit with this racket is a player that can smash the fuzz off the ball until their opponent can no longer return. It is also a great serving racket(if you like seeing the fuzz fly) and can be used for S&v.
 

wyutani

Hall of Fame
SC in MA said:
TW is re-releasing the Head Prestige Classic, which seems to have created quite a buzz. So, having never played with the PC, I was wondering what makes this racket so special. I did a search and didn't really find a definitive answer.

Can someone summarize what makes the PC so special ?

And what kind of player would benefit from the characteristics of the PC ?

the racquet is special beacause safin used it...period.
 

stevewcosta

Professional
One of the worst racquets FOR ME so you best demo or try a friend's before you waste money. Like any other racquet, it's not for everyone. Unless that thing makes me 15 yrs. younger and returns my afro. to all of its glory, I am staying away.
 

!Tym

Hall of Fame
Honestly, I think this frame is overrated in some ways. Is it a "classic" racket? Yes, but like the RD-7 and POG and 6.0 its NOT for everyone. The Prestige has a signature feel that is both solid, refined, and comfortable yet RAW. It's like adding some graw to a Volkl, it adds just a little of that manliness and character that Volkl rackets lack to me in terms of feel, at least the C-7, 9, 10, and 10 Pro Tour, all of which I've had AMPLE experience with. They're all nice rackets, smooth, comfy, sensitive, etc. but to me they ALL lack that rock solid to its coare feel, they just always left me feeling empty for some reason.

The Prestige Classic adds a little character to that, more of that full-bodied feel.

That's what makes it unique. The POG is unique for its RAW animalistic feel. The Pro Staff for it's dry cardboard feel (personally, I've NEVER been able to warm up to this feel). The RD-7 is unique because if you're a big hitter or take a big cut at the ball and strike it just right, the racket's string bed has this surreal feel of the ball literally sinking into the strings, and holding there for what seems like an eternity, before releasing from its pocket--"cupping" is the word I've heard used to describe it.

These rackets all have a signature feel, but ALL of them are NOT for everyone. The Pro Staff can feel too bland or stiff or boring to some. The POG to stiff and jarring, not sensititive enough. The Prestige Classic having an annoyingly dense string pattern to some, costing some spin production compared to other rackets. The RD-7's aerodynamics being too sluggish and clunky to be practical for many, i.e. to get that signature cupping feel you really need to be ON more so than any other racket I've tried. The RD-7 more than any other racket, there's a NIGHT and DAY difference in how it'll "feel" to you from your good days and your bad days. On your good days, when you're nailing the sweet spot consistently, a cupping sensation unlike any other frame I've tried to date. On bad days, one of the worst feeling, playing, frames I've tried to date. There's NO in between.

So as you can see, of these revered and much hyped up and balley-hooed rackets from major manufacturers, NONE of them are for everyone.

The Prestige gets the attention it does, more so than the others, simply because so many pros used to use this racket in its hey day and the graphics, CAP grommets, and paint job made it unmistakable.

Honestly, if the graphics had stayed the silver and lime green, I HIGHLY doubt there'd be the lust over this racket that there is. The red cosmetics of it, there was just something about it that seemed so regal in the hands of pro players, "classic" as they say. No one talked about this frame when it was silver and green, but that red...then, the BRAINWASHING started setting in.

When people see the racket's cosmetics, they think I look a pro holding this.

Also, Yonex stopped pushing the RD-7 and what people did not know was that Yonex's most marketable "bad boy" player, Marcelo Rios, was actually using that racket all along through numerous paint jobs. Malivai Washington retired. BRUGUERA switched to Volkl and spent the rest of his career in the hospital closeout bin. Arantxa and Karol Kucera were never exactly the most "exciting" endorsers to really stir those male hormones into lust, etc. The Pro Staff 6.0 because of its 85 head size, that's just TOO small SOUNDING such that even the recreational player can't fool himself into thinking he's good enough for that, yet with the Prestige and its advertised 93 head (though it's actually 89.5), recreational players think hey, maybe just maybe I'm good enough for this, if not it's close enough that I can pretend, "feeling" like I'm a pro will make up the difference.

But in general, while I do love the Prestige Classic and grew up idolizing it, I do not honestly think it's like some racket that's on a completely different plain than anything else out there, and all other rackets bow down by comparison. On the contrary, I think it's a great feeling frame, but it's really NOT the be-all, end-all choice it's hyped up to be on this board. It could be to YOU, but certainly NO WAY it is to all or even 90% of this board...though with all the hype you might think otherwise.

Just try it out if you can, that's the only way. The REAL reaon for the attachment to this frame is its signature feel. Unlike the RD-7, you don't have to be having a good day to actually feel that feel. It's always there on the Prestige Classic so you know just what you're getting regardless of how well you're playing. With the RD-7, the first few times I tried I thought this racket TOTALLY BLOWS and sucks with no feel. Then, I had my first good day with it, and I remember just being speechless, absolutely speechless with my breath taken away, for days later. The cupping sensation was like nothing I had ever felt before, it was just so dynamic, and felt like I had all the time in the world to decide where to direct my shots.

See, that's the thing. No one can say for you. There is NO such thing as a so-called, "classic" racket that's for everyone. You have to try each and everyone figure it out for itself...ESPECIALLY with a "classic." Just remember, what makes a racket "classic" is often something that makes it UNIQUE. Many may LOVE this racket because of its unique qualities, yet many won't be able to touch it with a ten foot pole as a result.
 
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snoflewis

Guest
i hit pretty well w/ the PC600...but i didnt like the feel at all (soft at first, mushy later)
 

tandayu

Professional
SC in MA said:
TW is re-releasing the Head Prestige Classic, which seems to have created quite a buzz. So, having never played with the PC, I was wondering what makes this racket so special. I did a search and didn't really find a definitive answer.

Can someone summarize what makes the PC so special ?

And what kind of player would benefit from the characteristics of the PC ?

First of all, "nothing special" about PC600, so erase that from your perception.

If you want a control and feel oriented racket, PC600 is one of them but you can also find other choices.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
What makes this racquet so special?

It's got the perfect weight and balance for smashing it into the ground and breaking it into a hundred pieces. Thus, it's "smashability" is excellent! Just ask Safin. He can verify it. ;) LOL :mrgreen:
 

Galactus

Banned
Along with Safin, didn't Ivansevic and Philippoussis use a Prestige-Classic 600 at some point? Sounds like a big-serving racquet...
 

loubapache

Professional
wyutani said:
the racquet is special beacause safin used it...period.
Exactly. Many are in denial but marketing works!

Right after Safin won the 2005 AO, the interest/price/activity of the PC600 on the big auction site increased dramatically.

I agree with most, it is not that special. It is a good racquet but not as good as the other two classics (for me), the PS 85 and POG Mid. As a matter of fact, it feels no better than the PS ROK Mid (to me) so I sold it.

RE: big serve. There was an experiement done on Mark P (published in the Tennis mag, I believe). His serve speed with graphite and wood racquets are about the same.
 

djones

Hall of Fame
loubapache said:
It is a good racquet but not as good as the other two classics (for me), the PS 85 and POG Mid. QUOTE]

You prefer the POG!?

To me the POG feels very wippy, not stable and very stiff and doesn't plow thru the ball as nice as the Prestige does.
 

Jonas

Semi-Pro
If you are looking for Prestige Classic feel in a more modern user friendly package you should really check out the Tecnifibre t fight 315.
I am not saying this frame is identicle, but as a long time PC 600 user, the TF 315 offers the same pick-up feel and feels very similar during the swing to me.
The difference is that the 315 offers more pop and a more open string bed even though they are both 18x20 patterns.
The specs on the tf 315 would indicate that it is more along the libes of the pro tour 280/630, but it really feels much more like a Prestige 600.
It's certainly worth a demo if you are in that situation.
 

loubapache

Professional
Tennis racquet is not an exact science (although it is in terms of specs, etc.) because there is so much personal preference involved. Otherwise, we would have the best racquet and everyone will be using it.

To me, the PC600 with the 18 x 20 string pattern is much stiffer than the POG Mid with the 14 x string pattern. What one feels is the combination of the racquet and the stringbed, not just the racquet.
 

rocket

Hall of Fame
The Prestige is a great serving stick, classic or otherwise. Big servers favor this stick for obvious reason.
 

ffrpg

Professional
Very well said !Tym. I couldn't agree anymore. While I love the feel of the PC600 and PS 85, I thought the POG and RD-7 were just flat out terrible racquets. In the end, it comes down to the individual. As far as the PC600 goes, I think it really is overrated. There are definitely better racquets out there. I personally prefer the Volkl VE Tour 10 Mid over the PC600.
 

vkartikv

Hall of Fame
Compared to other classics like the 6.0 and POG, the prestige classic is a lot harder to handle. The SW is exceptionally high and its not easy to move around at the net.

Look at the pros who have been using it - Safin, Scud, Goran - all tall, well built guys. This frame really needs to be in the hands of someone big and strong. Also, its best in the hands of people who hit from bottom up.

Bottomline - its not for everybody and unless you really have a long, fast swingstyle, this is not for you. I just don't understand how it got this popular!
 

armand

Banned
vkartikv said:
Compared to other classics like the 6.0 and POG, the prestige classic is a lot harder to handle. The SW is exceptionally high and its not easy to move around at the net.

Look at the pros who have been using it - Safin, Scud, Goran - all tall, well built guys. This frame really needs to be in the hands of someone big and strong. Also, its best in the hands of people who hit from bottom up.

Bottomline - its not for everybody and unless you really have a long, fast swingstyle, this is not for you. I just don't understand how it got this popular!
The SW, 323 is lower than the 6.0 and POG. And I would argue that the actual SW is lower than 323.

I play my 6.0 stock, with no lead. But to get my PC600 to swing similarly, I have to put quite a bit of lead tape on to it.

Anyway, I still think the PC600 is more demanding because it has a smaller sweetspot than the 6.0 85 and less even string response.
 

rooski

Professional
Galactus said:
What's the most effective string type/setup for the Prestige Classic given its dense 20x18 stringbed?
I don't play an 18x20 frame anymore but I always thought 17 and 18g string played the best in a dense patterned racket. I used to use 18g poly mains and 18g syn gut in the crosses. Felt awesome. Lasted decently too. Also, tight patterned rackets like this tend to feel a little boardy if strung too tight so err down on the tension IMO.
 

djones

Hall of Fame
vkartikv said:
Compared to other classics like the 6.0 and POG, the prestige classic is a lot harder to handle. The SW is exceptionally high and its not easy to move around at the net.

Look at the pros who have been using it - Safin, Scud, Goran - all tall, well built guys. This frame really needs to be in the hands of someone big and strong. Also, its best in the hands of people who hit from bottom up.

Bottomline - its not for everybody and unless you really have a long, fast swingstyle, this is not for you. I just don't understand how it got this popular!

Check this list:

http://av.warehousesports.com/tw/Features/ATPPlayerEquip.html

This racquet has been used by Berasategui (Prestige Classic XL), Clement, Javier Sanchez, Stoltenberg and van Lottum.

Those are just a few of the whole list and they're not particular strong-built players.

I'm just 1.74m tall/short, weigh 73 kilos, and it's the best racquet I have ever played with (although I do some weighttraining).
 

armand

Banned
Lee said:
Doesn't Grosjean use PC600 too, with an LM paintjob?
Yeah, and he's so weak he doesn't even have the strength to pull the visor on his hat down! That's why it's stickin' up all the time!
 

Galactus

Banned
vkartikv said:
Compared to other classics like the 6.0 and POG, the prestige classic is a lot harder to handle. The SW is exceptionally high and its not easy to move around at the net.

Look at the pros who have been using it - Safin, Scud, Goran - all tall, well built guys. This frame really needs to be in the hands of someone big and strong. Also, its best in the hands of people who hit from bottom up.

Bottomline - its not for everybody and unless you really have a long, fast swingstyle, this is not for you. I just don't understand how it got this popular!
That's what I heard about rhe ProStaff Original - but I leaded mine up to 385g and still I can swing it around like a toy for 2 hours.
Easy.


But then, I am 6'3" and 210lb. :mrgreen:
 

vkartikv

Hall of Fame
For adely and galactus:

May be it's my reluctance to swing from bottom up that gives me problems with the prestige. I certainly felt like the racquet was a little hard to maneuver at the net, atleast compared to the 6.0 mids. And the 6.0 I use is the Taiwan version which is more even balanced than the China makes, so I think its SW might be higher than the China ones. Still, its very easy to swing - I am only 5'9 78 kilos.
 

SCSI

Semi-Pro
PC, POG, Pro Staff, etc. They are special because they do what rackets are supposed to do; they respond very consistently and predictably to your input. However, if you can't put in the right kind of input, the output won't be very pretty. On the other hand, they have the classic flex, weight and balance that should be good for your health in the long run. On the other hand, PC is pretty unique in that it is popular among S&V folks AND clay court baseliners. Pretty unique... It also means it has no weakness, like many rackets. CAP grommet, while annoying to string on, is a great feature. You can play hard on clay but it keep the frame looking like new.
 
For me it's the feel of a rock solid racket with slightly more ball feel than the 6.0.

The control is the best of any racket I've ever used. The frame has a consistent flex and the dense string pattern means the ball comes off the strings more consistently as well. I think the control is the main reason it's been so popular among pros regardless of playing style. It's not a spin machine to be sure but with good technique there is plenty of spin available, but when you want to flatten the ball out you can still hit out with lots of control.

Finally, the weight distribution just seems to be dead on and it just feels good to swing. Heavy enough that you don't feel the need to get whippy with it, but not so heavy that you feel like you're swinging an axe. You can hit with an exaggerated low to high motion for a short angled winner or just hit flat through the ball and knock the cover off it.
 

Galactus

Banned
vkartikv said:
For adely and galactus:

May be it's my reluctance to swing from bottom up that gives me problems with the prestige. I certainly felt like the racquet was a little hard to maneuver at the net, atleast compared to the 6.0 mids. And the 6.0 I use is the Taiwan version which is more even balanced than the China makes, so I think its SW might be higher than the China ones. Still, its very easy to swing - I am only 5'9 78 kilos.
I know what you mean: it's all mental.
As soon as you get into the habit of giving such a racquet a complete, full-swing within that arc, you'll see why they're such good racquets.
Using the PS 6.0 85, I always swing with that bottom-to-top motion - racquet head always ends up over my left-shoulder.
Using a Prestige Classic shouldn't pose too much of a problem if you get the swing correct...
 

tandayu

Professional
Brad Smith said:
For me it's the feel of......a short angled winner or just hit flat through the ball and knock the cover off it.

Nicely put.
Feel ,control, weight distribution...it has the appropriate balance on all ingredients
 

Galactus

Banned
tandayu said:
Nicely put.
Feel ,control, weight distribution...it has the appropriate balance on all ingredients
Tandayu - you're the authority on Prestige Classics....what's the best string type/setup and tension for one of these racquets?
 

tandayu

Professional
Galactus said:
Tandayu - you're the authority on Prestige Classics....what's the best string type/setup and tension for one of these racquets?

Thank you, but actually there are several people on this board that taught me alot about the Head Prestige line.

My favourite set up at this point is the Wilson natural gut 17 (I was told same with VS natural) at 55-57 lb, which already came strung on the used frame I bought from fellow TW poster (prestigeclassic). I know in the past I prefer lower string tension with various synthetic on prestige frames, but somehow the higher string tension brings out the best feel of the gut during ball impact without the trampolin feel.

However, I am still trying different strings hoping to find something other than a $34 gut string. I try biphase X1 (too soft for me in comparison with hybrid kevlar, natural gut), NXT tour (crisp feel), ashaway monogut (very stiff in comparison with Biphase), wilson sensation, etc.

I only have time to play on weekend now, so I can afford gut that last at least for 3 months. I recommend try natural gut for once, maybe you might find similar result.
 

Galactus

Banned
tandayu said:
Thank you, but actually there are several people on this board that taught me alot about the Head Prestige line.

My favourite set up at this point is the Wilson natural gut 17 (I was told same with VS natural) at 55-57 lb, which already came strung on the used frame I bought from fellow TW poster (prestigeclassic). I know in the past I prefer lower string tension with various synthetic on prestige frames, but somehow the higher string tension brings out the best feel of the gut during ball impact without the trampolin feel.

However, I am still trying different strings hoping to find something other than a $34 gut string. I try biphase X1 (too soft for me in comparison with hybrid kevlar, natural gut), NXT tour (crisp feel), ashaway monogut (very stiff in comparison with Biphase), wilson sensation, etc.

I only have time to play on weekend now, so I can afford gut that last at least for 3 months. I recommend try natural gut for once, maybe you might find similar result.
Ahhh...ok! Thanks for that....

(and apologies for anyone else I overlooked for matters 'Prestige Classic')
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
The one that TW is bringing out now is made in Austria and Czech republic - answering the "which racquet is not made in China" question. And the material is only graphite, no mention of Zwaron.
 
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sonicyoof

Guest
For those of you that have experience with the PC600, how would you say that it compares to the LM Prestige Mid?
 
PC, POG, Pro Staff, etc. They are special because they do what rackets are supposed to do; they respond very consistently and predictably to your input. However, if you can't put in the right kind of input, the output won't be very pretty. On the other hand, they have the classic flex, weight and balance that should be good for your health in the long run. On the other hand, PC is pretty unique in that it is popular among S&V folks AND clay court baseliners. Pretty unique... It also means it has no weakness, like many rackets. CAP grommet, while annoying to string on, is a great feature. You can play hard on clay but it keep the frame looking like new.
Spot on with your comments. Like your post refer to the flex, and balance weight - no big head flapping around on the end of the handle. The thing about this racquet for me is the 'sensitive feel' of the frame in my hand. Can feel the compact profile in your hand as you setup to strike through the ball. It's the small footprint of the frame moving from forehand to backhand side that is unique for me. The frame becomes part of you in your setup preparation.
 
For those of you that have experience with the PC600, how would you say that it compares to the LM Prestige Mid?
I have played both. I play without a damper and in that config, the LM prestige mid transmits a lot of vibration to the arm, and also emits this tinny high pitched impact sound. The pc600 transmits very little vibration, and there is a very pleasing ‘thwok’ at impact, very sweet feel.
 

ChrisG

Professional
PC600 is an absolute beast yet it cut through the air like a very sharp blade (and heavy, let’s not forget).
It’s also one of the best looking racquet ever made, with sublime feel.
You need to be in good shape though, that’s the toughest part
 
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