Hyper G Soreness Advice

James McLennan

New User
Hi there,

I use a Pro Staff 97 Countervail (So 315g Pro Staff) with a full bed of 18G Solinco Hyper G at 52lbs. Every time I have strung up a racket with Hyper G (tried in 2017 Pure Strike 100 and Yonex DR100) I have loved how it plays, even in a hybrid with a multifilament I still find it gives the goods. I really like how I can take big cuts at the ball without over hitting and the easy access to spin. However, I always find I end up with a sore wrist and then eventually a sore elbow. I am not a heavy enough hitter to break strings quickly. So I am after some advice in response to a couple questions:

1) Could the soreness come, at least partly, from not hitting hard enough to break dead HG strings and thus not replacing them often enough? I have probably hit with my current set for about 20-30 hrs.

2) Would a change in tension help to combat the soreness?

3) What might it be worth hyrbiding HG with and at what tensions? (Thinking of trying ISOspeed cream or maybe even natural gut. Open to suggestions on multis, have tried Wilson Sensation and that didnt get rid of soreness)

4) What strings would be worth trying which are similar to HG but might not give soreness in the same way? (again thinking maybe a full bed of ISOspeed cream?)

Many thanks for any advice!
 

ls206

Hall of Fame
You could try using Velocity MLT as a cross. I’ve not used cream, but I’ve tried ghost wire as a cross and I prefer velocity.
 

mogo

Semi-Pro
Hi there,

I use a Pro Staff 97 Countervail (So 315g Pro Staff) with a full bed of 18G Solinco Hyper G at 52lbs. Every time I have strung up a racket with Hyper G (tried in 2017 Pure Strike 100 and Yonex DR100) I have loved how it plays, even in a hybrid with a multifilament I still find it gives the goods. I really like how I can take big cuts at the ball without over hitting and the easy access to spin. However, I always find I end up with a sore wrist and then eventually a sore elbow. I am not a heavy enough hitter to break strings quickly. So I am after some advice in response to a couple questions:

1) Could the soreness come, at least partly, from not hitting hard enough to break dead HG strings and thus not replacing them often enough? I have probably hit with my current set for about 20-30 hrs.

2) Would a change in tension help to combat the soreness?

3) What might it be worth hyrbiding HG with and at what tensions? (Thinking of trying ISOspeed cream or maybe even natural gut. Open to suggestions on multis, have tried Wilson Sensation and that didnt get rid of soreness)

4) What strings would be worth trying which are similar to HG but might not give soreness in the same way? (again thinking maybe a full bed of ISOspeed cream?)

Many thanks for any advice!

I would try lowering to 48 maybe even 46pds. Try a dampener out to see if that helps vibration and cut strings out after a week. Dead strings can make a difference. Just my opinion but that's what I would try. Last resort try a soft poly like Cyclone tour. A couple of guys use it that I hit with but too soft for me and I feel it drops in tension fast. I prefer Hyper G just because it feels solid overall for my game. Hope this helps and good luck on the journey.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
I'd go the hybrid route. I've been sorely impressed with how good a hybrid works (for me).
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
1) Could the soreness come, at least partly, from not hitting hard enough to break dead HG strings and thus not replacing them often enough? I have probably hit with my current set for about 20-30 hrs.
Probably IF your soreness appears at least 10 hrs into the life of the string. Hyper-G, like all polys, looses elasticity and plays stiffer. If you can't break 18g after 20-30hrs, trying going to the thinnest 19g. I play the thinnest gauge of my choice of poly so it breaks before it loses playability. If the soreness is present after the first session, then perhaps dropping tension and cutting after 15hrs may be prudent.
2) Would a change in tension help to combat the soreness?
Dropping tension will help a little but you're playing well into the 'dead' end of the life cycle, so the tension loss, so probably it'll play similarly stiff.
3) What might it be worth hyrbiding HG with and at what tensions? (Thinking of trying ISOspeed cream or maybe even natural gut. Open to suggestions on multis, have tried Wilson Sensation and that didnt get rid of soreness)
As others have said, hybrids with a softer poly cross will help with the stiffness. Going with a gut main will add a new power dynamic and also change the playing characteristics. You seem to like the lower power characteristic of HG, so it may be counter intuitive to mess with that.
 
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34n

Semi-Pro
Hi there,

I use a Pro Staff 97 Countervail (So 315g Pro Staff) with a full bed of 18G Solinco Hyper G at 52lbs. Every time I have strung up a racket with Hyper G (tried in 2017 Pure Strike 100 and Yonex DR100) I have loved how it plays, even in a hybrid with a multifilament I still find it gives the goods. I really like how I can take big cuts at the ball without over hitting and the easy access to spin. However, I always find I end up with a sore wrist and then eventually a sore elbow. I am not a heavy enough hitter to break strings quickly. So I am after some advice in response to a couple questions:

1) Could the soreness come, at least partly, from not hitting hard enough to break dead HG strings and thus not replacing them often enough? I have probably hit with my current set for about 20-30 hrs.

2) Would a change in tension help to combat the soreness?

3) What might it be worth hyrbiding HG with and at what tensions? (Thinking of trying ISOspeed cream or maybe even natural gut. Open to suggestions on multis, have tried Wilson Sensation and that didnt get rid of soreness)

4) What strings would be worth trying which are similar to HG but might not give soreness in the same way? (again thinking maybe a full bed of ISOspeed cream?)

Many thanks for any advice!
Tour bite, same gauge, same tension. It is softer but totally interchangeable with hyper G.
 

am1899

Legend
When do you feel the pain? While hitting? After? Is the pain less when the strings are fresh?

Obvious things to try with respect to the string bed:

1. Reduce the length of time you play with the racquet - before cutting out and restringing.

2. Reduce your reference tension.
 

JBH

Rookie
1. Possible but not likely. HyperG is far from a single material polyester material. It doesn’t tend to loose its inherent elasticity with use to a significant degree, particularly for ‘normal’ players.
2. possibly, but will substantially change the power to spin ratio, and it will play differently. If you’re happy with how it plays now...
3 Yes. As @Rabbit points out, a synergistic mix can in great part maintain the desired play of both components.
4. There are multiple causes for connective tissue conditions. No one here knows what yours are, and you may not either. While softer ‘poly’ strings are obviously available, using another may only delay the onset of additional pain while creating the potential for longer term injury.
 

kailash

Hall of Fame
Hi there,

I use a Pro Staff 97 Countervail (So 315g Pro Staff) with a full bed of 18G Solinco Hyper G at 52lbs. Every time I have strung up a racket with Hyper G (tried in 2017 Pure Strike 100 and Yonex DR100) I have loved how it plays, even in a hybrid with a multifilament I still find it gives the goods. I really like how I can take big cuts at the ball without over hitting and the easy access to spin. However, I always find I end up with a sore wrist and then eventually a sore elbow. I am not a heavy enough hitter to break strings quickly. So I am after some advice in response to a couple questions:

1) Could the soreness come, at least partly, from not hitting hard enough to break dead HG strings and thus not replacing them often enough? I have probably hit with my current set for about 20-30 hrs.

2) Would a change in tension help to combat the soreness?

3) What might it be worth hyrbiding HG with and at what tensions? (Thinking of trying ISOspeed cream or maybe even natural gut. Open to suggestions on multis, have tried Wilson Sensation and that didnt get rid of soreness)

4) What strings would be worth trying which are similar to HG but might not give soreness in the same way? (again thinking maybe a full bed of ISOspeed cream?)

Many thanks for any advice!
Try Volkl Cyclone Tour 17g at 52 lbs. One of the best soft polys, with good bite.
 
I second OP advice of going lower in tension. I am down to 44lbs mains and 40lbs crosses and looking to go even lower to get more comfort. Another option is go with 18G which is a bit softer but doesn't last as long.

Hyper-G is amazing on spin production but it is a bit stiffer and I have noticed that my arm and elbow gets a bit sore but so far I haven't been able to find a comparable string to this. I think Tour Bite is even stiffer than Hyper-G in my opinion.
 

guilhermefdc

Semi-Pro
I can't pinpoint why, but Hyper G is like poison to my elbow.
After using Hyper G earlier last year for about 3-4 months, I ended up with Golfer's Elbow (G360 Speed Pro might've contributed to it as well). I tried several different tensions (not low 40s, though) and was restringing at ~8hr mark if it didn't break by some miracle. Elbow was sore until the point I gave up trying to play with both the string and the frame. After healing, fixing technique issues and returning to a racquet more in line with what I was used to, I did try Hyper G once more, and again ended up with a sore elbow after a few hours.

I have no idea what's happening here. I have played with Alu Power for at least 15 years - never had any problems with it. Right now, it is my go-to string again.
I did not have issues with any of the following strings: 4G (one of the stiffest strings out there), Element, Tour Bite Soft, YPTP, Silverstring, Cyclone or Ice Code (also stiff).

Based on my very limited knowledge, I would suggest that maybe moving away from Hyper G and going to Tour Bite Soft would help you maintaining a setup that's close to what you're used to, while also being more arm friendly. I also agree with what everybody else is saying: if you're not breaking the string before 20-30 hours, you should cut it out earlier; lower tensions might help, just as hybrids.
 

SavvyStringer

Professional
Try Tourbite or Confidential of the same gauge. Different strings do different things for people. The ball movement should be similar as all three strings are the same extrusion shape but the feel is different between the three strings. I struggle with HyperG and having wrist pain but can play tourbite with no problems.
 

am1899

Legend
Try Tourbite or Confidential of the same gauge. Different strings do different things for people. The ball movement should be similar as all three strings are the same extrusion shape but the feel is different between the three strings. I struggle with HyperG and having wrist pain but can play tourbite with no problems.

This. The college team I coach for has most players using Solinco. Quite a few of them have had discomfort playing with either Tour Bite or Hyper G - but rarely both.
 

pico

Hall of Fame
I find Hyper G incredibly soft to the point I prefer Cyclone to it. I strung Hyper G at 56lbs in my Gravity Pro n it was fine.
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
As someone dealing with a month-long wrist injury at this moment, my first question would be how often do you mis-hit? The majority of my arm-health issues come from swinging hard and making poor contact, and I would think that would also be true for the tennis playing population in general. I'd think the second most common cause would be a technique issue. Strings or frames are often scapegoats for these two problems.

That being said, you can always try an even thinner gauge of Hyper-G, and at a lower tension in the upper 40's. A string change to some softer square string like Volkl V-Square may help. V-Square will continue to give you that amazing spin with a fair amount more cushiness and comfort. Of the 25 or so strings I've tried this last year, V-Square is at the top in spin capability but for me its main downside was durability as it notched through and broke in about four hours. Since you're not a string breaker, V-Square may last you long enough to make it worthwhile.
 

breaknhold

New User
Used Hyper G 17 for a couple of years. The inside of my elbow began to hurt on slice serves so I tried the Tour Bite Soft 17 and find that my elbow is much happier. Strings seem to last longer, too.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
I would try lowering to 48 maybe even 46pds. Try a dampener out to see if that helps vibration and cut strings out after a week. Dead strings can make a difference. Just my opinion but that's what I would try. Last resort try a soft poly like Cyclone tour. A couple of guys use it that I hit with but too soft for me and I feel it drops in tension fast. I prefer Hyper G just because it feels solid overall for my game. Hope this helps and good luck on the journey.
Yes dead poly is hard on the arm, but a dampener does nothing but change the sound of the strings. Dropping a few pounds tension does not help much. Anyone having arm pain should quit using poly strings period, it amazes me why so many don’t understand this obvious point. This advice of using a thinner poly or drop the tension some is not good advise, especially why you are experiencing arm problems.
 
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stapletonj

Hall of Fame
I have been experimenting with Babolat gut 17 ga. in the mains and hyper G 20 ga. in the crosses, I like it so far and it feels significantly easier on the elbow. (Yonex vcore 100 280 grams with a little lead at 3 and 9)
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
I have been experimenting with Babolat gut 17 ga. in the mains and hyper G 20 ga. in the crosses, I like it so far and it feels significantly easier on the elbow. (Yonex vcore 100 280 grams with a little lead at 3 and 9)

This is much better advice going with a natural gut main and a poly cross. This set up probably gives less than half the shock compared to a full poly string job. A multi main with a poly cross would also be arm friendly.
 

jered

Rookie
Arm pain is almost always technique. Poly just exposes this. Also, poly shouldn’t be used past 16 hours or so. The characteristics that make it desirable are mostly gone at this point.

If you have a glass elbow then you shouldn’t use poly period.
 

blai212

Hall of Fame
volkl cyclone tour 16g mains
SPPP 17L crosses
super soft setup that has the comfort of natural gut but spin/control/durability of poly


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FIRETennis

Professional
As someone dealing with a month-long wrist injury at this moment, my first question would be how often do you mis-hit? The majority of my arm-health issues come from swinging hard and making poor contact, and I would think that would also be true for the tennis playing population in general. I'd think the second most common cause would be a technique issue. Strings or frames are often scapegoats for these two problems.

That being said, you can always try an even thinner gauge of Hyper-G, and at a lower tension in the upper 40's. A string change to some softer square string like Volkl V-Square may help. V-Square will continue to give you that amazing spin with a fair amount more cushiness and comfort. Of the 25 or so strings I've tried this last year, V-Square is at the top in spin capability but for me its main downside was durability as it notched through and broke in about four hours. Since you're not a string breaker, V-Square may last you long enough to make it worthwhile.

@Injured Again is right.
The indoor season is notorious for mishits where I play. The combination of terrible low quality artificial lighting and clay courts groomed comparable to cattle paths is a recipe for mishits. Even the softest polys cause arm strain after a considerable amount of mishits. If I focus on hitting the sweet spot every time, it's a lot better however this cannot always happen during fast points, return of serve, reaction volleys etc... Hyper-G is not a soft string to begin with. Try experimenting with Hyper-G in the mains and synthetic gut in the crosses or something soft like Isospeed Cream. The ideal setup would be gut mains, poly crosses for comfort but careful, Hyper-G is very sharp and will eat through the gut in no time.
 

netlets

Professional
I second OP advice of going lower in tension. I am down to 44lbs mains and 40lbs crosses and looking to go even lower to get more comfort. Another option is go with 18G which is a bit softer but doesn't last as long.

Hyper-G is amazing on spin production but it is a bit stiffer and I have noticed that my arm and elbow gets a bit sore but so far I haven't been able to find a comparable string to this. I think Tour Bite is even stiffer than Hyper-G in my opinion.

I agree - reduce your tension - maybe go from 52 to 48 and after that try 45. Hyper G is not as stiff as Tour Bite, so I wouldn’t recommend using TB.
 

James McLennan

New User
Hi all,

Thanks so much for this stream of advice, is clear that there are a lot of options. Definitely understand why some people take the approach of "just don't touch poly" but then it plays so well... I'm hooked.

Based on the above, got a few things that I'm going to try.

Full bed Hyper G at lower tension (50) and more regular restringing (about every 20 hours)

Hyper g + isospeed cream hyrbid

Hyper g + tour bite soft hyrbid

Tour bite soft full bed

Isospeed full bed

Will let you know how I get on!
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
I was going to say that you should also give Mayami Big Spin a try. It's a sharply edge, triangular, twisted string and in my testing, it responds similarly to Hyper-G in terms of launch angle, spin capability, and power, but with a softer and more comfortable impact feel. It takes more care when stringing due to the twisted nature of the string. I've strung this up for four or five players and they have all commented on spin capability and comfort.
 

sadowsk2

Rookie
As someone dealing with a month-long wrist injury at this moment, my first question would be how often do you mis-hit? The majority of my arm-health issues come from swinging hard and making poor contact, and I would think that would also be true for the tennis playing population in general. I'd think the second most common cause would be a technique issue. Strings or frames are often scapegoats for these two problems.

That being said, you can always try an even thinner gauge of Hyper-G, and at a lower tension in the upper 40's. A string change to some softer square string like Volkl V-Square may help. V-Square will continue to give you that amazing spin with a fair amount more cushiness and comfort. Of the 25 or so strings I've tried this last year, V-Square is at the top in spin capability but for me its main downside was durability as it notched through and broke in about four hours. Since you're not a string breaker, V-Square may last you long enough to make it worthwhile.
I concur with this. My daughter used Hyper G at 42lbs in a Head Radical and experienced wrist pain after a month. Switched to Volkl V-Square and she got superior spin and comfort... she doesn’t break strings, but like Hyper G I cut the strings out after 8-9 hours of play.
 

VB123

New User
Hi all,

Thanks so much for this stream of advice, is clear that there are a lot of options. Definitely understand why some people take the approach of "just don't touch poly" but then it plays so well... I'm hooked.

Based on the above, got a few things that I'm going to try.

Full bed Hyper G at lower tension (50) and more regular restringing (about every 20 hours)

Hyper g + isospeed cream hyrbid

Hyper g + tour bite soft hyrbid

Tour bite soft full bed

Isospeed full bed

Will let you know how I get on!

Which strings did you settle with finally? I am tinkering with Hyper G 17 (50 lb) and Hyper G 18 (50 lb), both full bed. I tried Hyper G 16 + XCel hybrid, but my serve and forehands weren't the same. Curious what worked for you finally?
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Is there a poly that doesn’t cause soreness after 20 hours? It seems like they are all dead by then and if you are someone who has experienced arm/wrist issues in the past, you can feel discomfort when they go dead. Many of the stiffer ones are dead within 10-12 hours.
 

blai212

Hall of Fame
i find it amusing when people expect to get everlasting longevity from their string bed. Why do I need to change my strings if they dont break or why do my strings break so often (less than 50 hrs) ?
 
Used PS97CV with HG 16 (at 52/50) for two years. Hard hitter and never had any arm or shoulder issues.

BUT, racquets were restrung religiously after every 6 hours of hitting use.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
OP has entered the poly conundrum. Performance vs arm health.

Some arms just do not handle poly. especially when combined with a stiff frame.

If you want to take full cuts at the ball and still have it land in, then get a softer frame and put a hybrid in it. Plenty of flexible control frames back on the market these days. Phantom, Gravity, Blade lines in particular. Throw gut/cream into them and see if the arm feels better. If not go with a muted multi like velocity, RIP control, PPC, Triax, etc.
 

jdx2112

Hall of Fame
Consign this post…restring without fail after 8 hours of hitting with a poly…that dead in elastic feel after 8 hours or so can be harsh on the arm…
 
Hi there,

I use a Pro Staff 97 Countervail (So 315g Pro Staff) with a full bed of 18G Solinco Hyper G at 52lbs. Every time I have strung up a racket with Hyper G (tried in 2017 Pure Strike 100 and Yonex DR100) I have loved how it plays, even in a hybrid with a multifilament I still find it gives the goods. I really like how I can take big cuts at the ball without over hitting and the easy access to spin. However, I always find I end up with a sore wrist and then eventually a sore elbow. I am not a heavy enough hitter to break strings quickly. So I am after some advice in response to a couple questions:

1) Could the soreness come, at least partly, from not hitting hard enough to break dead HG strings and thus not replacing them often enough? I have probably hit with my current set for about 20-30 hrs.

2) Would a change in tension help to combat the soreness?

3) What might it be worth hyrbiding HG with and at what tensions? (Thinking of trying ISOspeed cream or maybe even natural gut. Open to suggestions on multis, have tried Wilson Sensation and that didnt get rid of soreness)

4) What strings would be worth trying which are similar to HG but might not give soreness in the same way? (again thinking maybe a full bed of ISOspeed cream?)

Many thanks for any advice!
Almost any poly will be long past it’s expiration date after 20-30 hours. I don’t have a recommendation specific to hyper G because I wasn’t a fan, but restringing every 6-8 hours is a good starting point for most polys.
 

Mungo

Rookie
Local stringer who owns / runs (bless him!) the local tennis shop looks at me like am crazy when I bring in my primary racket to be restrung every month or so, which for me is around 24 hours of 50-50 doubles / singles light intensity play. He goes by a “the number of times you play each week is the number of times per year you should restring”. I am not dialed in enough to feel the dramatic changes in my strings’ performance as you all do. However I will say that I developed some minor shoulder discomfort (perhaps upper deltoid) when I went from MF to HyperG (18g at 50 lbs). Of course I also gained a lot of performance. Seems better but not perfect now switching to HG Soft at 48 lbs, and doing light strength training, self massage with a ball, an occasional NSAID, and some CBD oil.
 

GummiiBear

Semi-Pro
I tried to play with Solinco Confidential mains (51 lbs.) in a hybrid as per my coach's recommendation; developed minor soreness in the shoulder. Asked said coach about it and he recommended ice after play, hot pack prior to (iirc). But I still opted to switch back to natural gut mains as a precaution. I want to say that helped sufficiently, but it's a little early for me to tell definitively. On the upside, I think if it was a technique issue my coach would've said something weeks ago.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Anyone have soreness with poly if they break it or cut it out within 10-15 hours and string below 50 lbs?

At my club, all the players who have pain and injuries with poly typically are low level players who neither break it nor restring it for many months and string it at the same mid-high fifties tension they used to string soft strings at. They don’t know any better and the stringers don’t educate them either.
 

jdx2112

Hall of Fame
Anyone have soreness with poly if they break it or cut it out within 10-15 hours and string below 50 lbs?

At my club, all the players who have pain and injuries with poly typically are low level players who neither break it nor restring it for many months and string it at the same mid-high fifties tension they used to string soft strings at. They don’t know any better and the stringers don’t educate them either.
I don't break many strings, but always restring around 8-10 hours. And I'm always at 48-50lbs.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Anyone have soreness with poly if they break it or cut it out within 10-15 hours and string below 50 lbs?

At my club, all the players who have pain and injuries with poly typically are low level players who neither break it nor restring it for many months and string it at the same mid-high fifties tension they used to string soft strings at. They don’t know any better and the stringers don’t educate them either.

I am definitely guilty of leaving it in too long. Definitely a low level player too, so that tracks. Been going lower on tension lately and that's helped. But I'm really considering going back to hybrids or to a full bed of multi and trying it out.
 

jdx2112

Hall of Fame
I don't break many strings, but always restring around 8-10 hours. And I'm always at 48-50lbs.
I use three racquets too, so I can always experiment. I always have one string with Volkl Cyclone Tour 18, and the other two with strings that are slightly stiffer according to TWU’s database. I never go above 190 on that meter and have found a few other strings that are as soft as VCT. I highly recommend Diadem Solstice Black.
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
Consign this post…restring without fail after 8 hours of hitting with a poly…that dead in elastic feel after 8 hours or so can be harsh on the arm…
Sorry my original post was included into the OP's post and the XenForo HTML code doesn't allow quoting of a quoted post. Fixed it now.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
OP has entered the poly conundrum. Performance vs arm health.

Some arms just do not handle poly. especially when combined with a stiff frame.

If you want to take full cuts at the ball and still have it land in, then get a softer frame and put a hybrid in it. Plenty of flexible control frames back on the market these days. Phantom, Gravity, Blade lines in particular. Throw gut/cream into them and see if the arm feels better. If not go with a muted multi like velocity, RIP control, PPC, Triax, etc.

I agree using a softer frame makes a big difference. I use a Prince Phantom and I can string full poly pretty tight and still not have arm problems.
 
I agree using a softer frame makes a big difference. I use a Prince Phantom and I can string full poly pretty tight and still not have arm problems.

Has been discussed on many occasions but often forgotten or not realised by many new to the the sport.

There are two types of vibration that can lean to tennis related arm injuries.

1/ Impact Vibration shock - The shock resulting from vibration caused by the tennis ball impacting the string bed. Stiffer racquets tend to transfer this vibration to the arm more effectively than flexible ones. Injuries resulting from this shock usually appear within months.

2/ Post Impact Vibration shock - The shock resulting from vibrations occuring in the racquet after the ball has impacted the string bed. Flexible racquets tend to transfer this vibration to the arm more effectively than stiffer ones. Injuries resulting from this shock will usually take years to appear.

It is widely accepted that Flexible racquets with softer string beds is the safest for arm health. Stiff racquets with stiff string beds is the least safe for arm health.

However it should be noted that various methods are available to mitigate the negative health effects of both types of vibration regardless of the equipment. One common method is to insulate the racquet handle with a soft material that absorbs vibration and prevent too much of it getting to the arm (eg. silicone, foam, putty). Another method is to disrupt the frame vibrations by applying additional material to the frame itself (eg. lead tape, head protection tape, poster putty).
 
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