Matches that ruined players

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Zverev AO 2024 looks like a candidate

Tbh I was gonna mention Zverev US2020. Cemented his reputation as a choker

Murray v Wawrinka RG 2017 semi. That match killed them both off for good.

The thing about that match is that it really didn't alter their careers much IMO. All of their Slams and Murray's time at #1 came before that

Yeah, that match really ruined Carlos. It's a miracle he won Wimbledon just three weeks later.

Jury is still out but that's why I mentioned the Cincy match too. He looked lost until his IW title defense.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Tbh I was gonna mention Zverev US2020. Cemented his reputation as a choker



The thing about that match is that it really didn't alter their careers much IMO. All of their Slams and Murray's time at #1 came before that



Jury is still out but that's why I mentioned the Cincy match too. He looked lost until his IW title defense.

Yes, all of their slams and Murray's time at number one came before that, which is the point...they were slam contenders. One was holding the W title, the other the USO title. They were wiped out after that match.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
RG 21 didn't affect Tsitsipas at all. He in fact went on to win MC in 22, he beat Medvedev time and again on HC in 22 and also reached AO 23 final. He was very good in 22.

But the Barcelona 23 final really killed him as a top player. Thoroughly overshadowed and never been even a fraction of a threat he was before. Then RG 23 he was shamed again. Alcaraz is his bully
 

Fabresque

Legend
Medvedev still bounced back to make 2 slam finals since losing to Rafa at the AO. Shapo’s loss to Rafa fully finished him though.

Tsitsipas bounced back from RG21 to make the AO 23 final, but similarly got beat again. I think that match was the final straw, seeing his dad not even acknowledge him post match must’ve been a gut punch.
 
I am a big Shapo fan also, its about his head.

Musetti has outside distractions imo.

Agassi USO 95 is a famous example of a player losing confidence and taking years to truly believe again.
While his mentality and confidence hAve a big thing to do with it, he has huge holes in his game that easily exploited by all the best players over and over again.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
While his mentality and confidence hAve a big thing to do with it, he has huge holes in his game that easily exploited by all the best players over and over again.

Sure, I am not saying if he gets his head together that he will dominate. But he has top ten talent in him, he should be in the converstion week in week out imo.
 

Impetus

Semi-Pro
I'm a big believer in the power of one match to make or break a career. The TPas RG collapse vs Djoko, the Medvedev collapse at AO22 vs Rafa, the Shapo collapse at AO22 vs Rafa, the Alcaraz collapses against Djoko at RG and Cincinnati...but here's one I hadn't considered. Those stats...woof. And Tiafoe looks totally lost and checked out now.

I gave you a like because I do believe the mind is fragile at times and a win or loss in a certain situation can have a huge impact.

I just don't think one match will ever be determining for a career. I think a guy like Sharpo could have had a very different career if he didn't stop believing in himself.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
I gave you a like because I do believe the mind is fragile at times and a win or loss in a certain situation can have a huge impact.

I just don't think one match will ever be determining for a career. I think a guy like Sharpo could have had a very different career if he didn't stop believing in himself.

The matches I am thinking of are usually momentous ones, where there's a lot on the line and/or uncharted territory for one player.

Shapo v Nadal at 2022 AO was his match to lose, ditto Medvedev at same event and neither has been the same since. Tpas v Djoko, Musetti v Djoko...those would have been the biggest wins of their careers and would have been regarded as proper ascendancies for players we mostly think are potential greats...like Federer taking out Sampras, as opposed to flukes like Nardi's comical upset of Djoko...and they crumbled under the pressure

This Tiafoe match, in retrospect, was even bigger than it seemed at the time. Tiafoe at that time had an argument for being the great American hope after his huge win over Rafa at USO. And was pretty much the only young American black player that had captured our imagination since Blake. He lost both of those belts to Shelton that day
 
Neither ever went deep in a Slam again.

That's what the Wiki page on the 2017 RG always says. To my mind, making the QFs isn't bad and both did make GS QFs again later - Wawrinka actually made three within the space of a year from RG 2019 through AO 2020 - but it was the last GS SF for either of them.
 
The matches I am thinking of are usually momentous ones, where there's a lot on the line and/or uncharted territory for one player.

Shapo v Nadal at 2022 AO was his match to lose, ditto Medvedev at same event and neither has been the same since. Tpas v Djoko, Musetti v Djoko...those would have been the biggest wins of their careers and would have been regarded as proper ascendancies for players we mostly think are potential greats...like Federer taking out Sampras, as opposed to flukes like Nardi's comical upset of Djoko...and they crumbled under the pressure

This Tiafoe match, in retrospect, was even bigger than it seemed at the time. Tiafoe at that time had an argument for being the great American hope after his huge win over Rafa at USO. And was pretty much the only young American black player that had captured our imagination since Blake. He lost both of those belts to Shelton that day

To be fair, Shapo's drop off since them has been much greater than Meddy's, and, until recently, much greater than Tsitsipas's, too. It's a good point you make about loss of confidence v injury, because it might explain why Meddy seems to have bounced back from this year's AO defeat more quickly than he did from the 2022 one. This time, I think he knows he was gassed and that he didn't really blow the match in the way that he must feel he blew the 2022 one.

I would say it was a good win for Shapo today, because for the #126 an easy win against the #11 should be a very satisfying one. But given who the #11 is and what poor form he's been on, Shapo will probably want to take it with a grain of salt. He does have a decent shot at making the Miami quarters, if he can keep his head together.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Medvedev still bounced back to make 2 slam finals since losing to Rafa at the AO. Shapo’s loss to Rafa fully finished him though.

Tsitsipas bounced back from RG21 to make the AO 23 final, but similarly got beat again. I think that match was the final straw, seeing his dad not even acknowledge him post match must’ve been a gut punch.
Medvedev went on tear after AO23. He has many chances to win his second slam.
 

MrFlip

Professional
I'm a big believer in the power of one match to make or break a career. The TPas RG collapse vs Djoko, the Medvedev collapse at AO22 vs Rafa, the Shapo collapse at AO22 vs Rafa, the Alcaraz collapses against Djoko at RG and Cincinnati...but here's one I hadn't considered. Those stats...woof. And Tiafoe looks totally lost and checked out now.

Great post....
Tiafoe is Clown Tier player though. Same as Bublik
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Great post....
Tiafoe is Clown Tier player though. Same as Bublik

No one is on Bublik's level, no one. Tiafoe is really somewhat unique. Walks funny, swings funny, but runs fast and hits a big ball.

Bublik is an artiste, a Slavic Kyrgios
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
He became a choker after that AO disaster.
And he wasn't before? He lost USO 2019 as well similarly. While he beat zverev just this January coming from 2 sets down so I don't know if choker is right term. The guy had surgery post AO during clay season in 22. Give him a break.
 

mavsman149

Hall of Fame
I don't think Medvedev was ever ruined, he's made slam finals and semis like normal. Great hard court player but mentally weak in finals, his one slam would've been a loss if Djokovic didn't have the pressure of the Grand Slam.
 
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dking68

Legend
FAA did pick up steam and ran Nadal close in 2022. Also won a few titles in the fall.

He didn't get finished post AO22.
Oh yes that’s true.

Another I would say is Tsitsipas vs Djokovic 2021 RG

Cilic vs Rublev and Tiafoe vs Rublev 2022. Rublev cried after the tiafoe match.
 
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