Medvedev continue proving completely useless outside of any faster HC

[InsideOut900]

Having a look at Daniil's career, he has been very underwhelming outside of a specific subset of conditions.
Going through his biggest results at M1000 level and above:

• MC semi in 2019, lost badly to Lajovic -> clay
• Canada / Cinci / USO 19 F -> medium-fast HC
• Shanghai 19 F -> medium-fast HC
• USO 20 SF -> medium-fast HC
• Paris/ATP Finals 20 wins -> both medium-fast HC
• AO 21 F -> one of the fastest HC in the last 15 years
• FO 21 QF -> clay
• Canada and USO win -> medium/medium-fast HC
• Paris 21 F -> medium HC
• ATP finals 21 F -> medium-fast HC
• AO 22 F -> medium HC

To make a breakdown, Medevdev never had a good run on a slower HC, had 2 deeper runs on clay, lost badly both times, lost to Djokovic and Nadal in medium conditions, the latter being a really bad loss from many angles. Should I even list his results on grass?

Medvedev has never won a single big tournament outside of HCs playing at least as fast as Canada and not only that, he never had any nothworthy run at M1000 or above on anything slower than Paris 21 or AO 22.

Unfortunately, even if he is my favourite Next Genner, he proves time and time again that this gen is simply very limited, even when it comes to the very best of this group.

 

[tennisandtennis]

Yeah, and also he won a Slam against Novak Djokovic. So, like... okay.

 

[Krish0608]

The most one dimensional #1 in recent times. Useless on clay, Poor on grass, mediocre on slow HCs.

 

[Nadal_King]

Medvedev is superb where his game is suited for the conditions, his clay results show he is not much a great player on slower courts. If he played in early 2010s, he would have struggled in Aus open as well which was quite slow but now he has 2 good hardcourt majors which suit his game

 

[Richard Linden]

Medvedev only has a Slam because of the biggest choke in the Open era...

 

[Dead Mosquito]

Nole's back No.1 without dropping a sweat.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

He is useless, period.

 

[Mike Sams]

4 Slam finals.
Won 1.
Took the other two finals to 5 sets.
Not fair to call him useless.

 

[intrepidish]

He is useless, period.

For your purposes, sure. But otherwise not in the slightest.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

For your purposes, sure. But otherwise not in the slightest.

Overranked and overrated. Moral failure not to admit it. That's what you are though.

 

[Kralingen]

Monfils used the USO 16 SF 'softballing' technique perfected in that beautiful rally vs. Gilles Simon below.

Given that Medvedev and Simon have a fair amount in common, this worked pretty well. Remember, Gael also beat Medvedev in early 2019.

Med needs his serve to be firing to have confidence imo. When he doesn't get free aces/putaway points his engagement can be seriously lacking.

 

[AgassiSuperSlam11]

Med will always be competitive on indoor HC since his ball is very flat and does damage without requiring the spin. I still think the jury is out if he is going down as one of the lower accomplished #1's.

 

[intrepidish]

Overranked and overrated. Moral failure not to admit it. That's what you are though.

Nah. You're just pining for someone to beat Nadal like you have for years. You're the same bitter old Federer fan.

Otherwise you'd appreciate the fact that Med's made the finals of the last 3 hard court slams, beat Novak 4 of the last 7 and 2 of those were in straight sets including one of those slam finals.

It's ok though Mr. 'Moral Failure' lol

 

[Aabye5]

Monfils used the USO 16 SF 'softballing' technique perfected in that beautiful rally vs. Gilles Simon below.

Given that Medvedev and Simon have a fair amount in common, this worked pretty well. Remember, Gael also beat Medvedev in early 2019.

Med needs his serve to be firing to have confidence imo. When he doesn't get free aces/putaway points his engagement can be seriously lacking.

That's what is amazing about the original Sliderman. He can hit a ball almost as feathery as Gilles, but also go super sonic almost as well as Tsonga.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Nah. You're just pining for someone to beat Nadal like you have for years. You're the same bitter old Federer fan.

Otherwise you'd appreciate the fact that Med's made the finals of the last 3 hard court slams, beat Novak 4 of the last 7 and 2 of those were in straight sets including one of those slam finals.

It's ok though Mr. 'Moral Failure' lol

Weak player beating weak-playing opponents, such glory. Wilfully blinding yourself to the truth =poor behaviour.

 

[Apun94]

Having a look at Daniil's career, he has been very underwhelming outside of a specific subset of conditions.
Going through his biggest results at M1000 level and above:

• MC semi in 2019, lost badly to Lajovic -> clay
• Canada / Cinci / USO 19 F -> medium-fast HC
• Shanghai 19 F -> medium-fast HC
• USO 20 SF -> medium-fast HC
• Paris/ATP Finals 20 wins -> both medium-fast HC
• AO 21 F -> one of the fastest HC in the last 15 years
• FO 21 QF -> clay
• Canada and USO win -> medium/medium-fast HC
• Paris 21 F -> medium HC
• ATP finals 21 F -> medium-fast HC
• AO 22 F -> medium HC

To make a breakdown, Medevdev never had a good run on a slower HC, had 2 deeper runs on clay, lost badly both times, lost to Djokovic and Nadal in medium conditions, the latter being a really bad loss from many angles. Should I even list his results on grass?

Medvedev has never won a single big tournament outside of HCs playing at least as fast as Canada and not only that, he never had any nothworthy run at M1000 or above on anything slower than Paris 21 or AO 22.

Unfortunately, even if he is my favourite Next Genner, he proves time and time again that this gen is simply very limited, even when it comes to the very best of this group.

I feel like we are being too hard on all the players not named Fedalovic. The Big 3 are a rare species. Let's not compare this gen to the big 3, otherwise we will never be able to appreciate any other players. Not everyone generation has to have GOATs like Fedalovic

 

[intrepidish]

Weak player beating weak-playing opponents, such glory. Wilfully blinding yourself to the truth =poor behaviour.

Same old boring Octorok crying about Nadal but this time indirectly through Medvedev and the dreaded 'weak era'

Very transparent.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Same old boring Octorok crying about Nadal but this time indirectly through Medvedev and the dreaded 'weak era'

Very transparent.

I know strong from weak, thanks. I can even know right from wrong, something you can only pretend to.

 

[InsideOut900]

I feel like we are being too hard on all the players not named Fedalovic. The Big 3 are a rare species. Let's not compare this gen to the big 3, otherwise we will never be able to appreciate any other players. Not everyone generation has to have GOATs like Fedalovic

Oh c'mon, every generation since the dawn of time had at least 2 ATG level players every 5-10 years.

And I am not comparing them to Big 3, I am comparing them to Lost Gen and Ferrer or at most the other worst gen in history (Moya, Corretja, Kafelnikov, Rios, Rafter, Kuerten).

They aren't anywhere near Hewitt, Roddick, Murray, Del Potro or even peak Berdych/Tsonga.

 

[intrepidish]

I know strong from weak, thanks. I can even know right from wrong, something you can only pretend to.

Yes I know your criteria. You work backwards from the results you want to talk up or deride depending on whether it's Federer doing the winning or Nadal.

If Federer is winning, everything is great, tennis is healthy. If it's Nadal, the era has to be weak and so does Medvedev.

 

[Tennis Aloha]

4 Slam finals.
Won 1.
Took the other two finals to 5 sets.
Not fair to call him useless.

Agree. So much potential still. I can see him getting used to bigger and bigger arenas and also imrpoving on clay and grass. I think he's going to grow as a player in the next 3-6 years.

 

[NatF]

Med needs to dream again.

 

[nam416]

Yeah, the guy only was *this close* to straight-setting two GOATs in back-to-back major finals - useless, indeed.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Yes I know your criteria. You work backwards from the results you want to talk up or deride depending on whether it's Federer doing the winning or Nadal.

If Federer is winning, everything is great, tennis is healthy. If it's Nadal, the era has to be weak and so does Medvedev.

Complete untruth here lol.

 

[intrepidish]

Yeah, the guy only was *this close* to straight-setting two GOATs in back-to-back major finals - useless, indeed.

You hit on the best rebuttal but crucially, also the real reason for the bitter dismissals of Medvedev in the first place.

 

[intrepidish]

Complete untruth here lol.

Nah, it's spot on. You've been doing this inane and boring routine for years with 2017 being the obvious big exception (gee, I wonder why that is...)

 

[InsideOut900]

Yeah, the guy only was *this close* to straight-setting two GOATs in back-to-back major finals - useless, indeed.

You will read the title again hopefully.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Nah, it's spot on. You've been doing this inane and boring routine for years with 2017 being the obvious big exception (gee, I wonder why that is...)

Complete untruth continues.
2017 actually started well but then rapidly died at Wimbledon and the second half was peak weak (Shanghai the only bright spot, yeahlol). Been weak since then with some glimmers of strength here and there at best.

 

[intrepidish]

Complete untruth continues.
2017 actually started well but then rapidly died at Wimbledon and the second half was peak weak (Shanghai the only bright spot, yeahlol). Been weak since then with some glimmers of strength here and there at best.

Complete truth. You're like a robot programmed to sh-t on anyone who doesn't beat Nadal when it matters most and the slam situation with Roger has you completely unhinged. It's all about 'worst ever, worst era, worst this, worst that'

I'd advise you to find a new hobby.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Inbefore is Medvedev the worst #1 ever topic

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Complete truth. You're like a robot programmed to sh-t on anyone who doesn't beat Nadal when it matters most and the slam situation with Roger has you completely unhinged. It's all about 'worst ever, worst era, worst this, worst that'

I'd advise you to find a new hobby.

Repeat propaganda until it start sounding like truth = what you do

 

[Kralingen]

Inbefore is Medvedev the worst #1 ever topic

Nah, he at least has a Slam.

 

[dapchai]

Inbefore is Medvedev the worst #1 ever topic

Inafter Medvedev is Finnish.

 

[intrepidish]

Repeat propaganda until it start sounding like truth = what you do

From a serial propagandist like yourself, that's high praise indeed. I'll see your bluff and raise you a 'weak era' etc.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

From a serial propagandist like yourself, that's high praise indeed. I'll see your bluff and raise you a 'weak era' etc.

Only expressing the obvious, pal.

 

[intrepidish]

Only expressing the obvious, pal.

Likewise, old buddy. We can do this as long as you like.

 

[mike danny]

4 Slam finals.
Won 1.
Took the other two finals to 5 sets.
Not fair to call him useless.

Well, considering that he played all his slam finals against guys aged 33+, I wouldn't really rate him that high.

At the end of the day, prime Medvedev has a losing record in slam finals to mid 30's Djokodal.

 

[duaneeo]

He is useless, period.

Australian Open
2019: 23 year old Med lost to 31 year old Nole in four.
2020: 24 year old Med lost to 34 year old Wawrinka in five.
2021: 25 year old Med lost to 33 year old Nole (with a muscle tear) in three.
2022: 26 year old Med lost to 35 year old Nadal in five.

This has been the problem with the LostGens: No progression.

 

[mike danny]

I feel like we are being too hard on all the players not named Fedalovic. The Big 3 are a rare species. Let's not compare this gen to the big 3, otherwise we will never be able to appreciate any other players. Not everyone generation has to have GOATs like Fedalovic

This generation doesn't even have talents like Roddick/Hewitt/Safin/Delpo/Murray/Stan.

 

[mike danny]

Yeah, the guy only was *this close* to straight-setting two GOATs in back-to-back major finals - useless, indeed.

But that didn't happen, so I don't see the point of your post.

 

[TheNachoMan]

There’s nothing really exceptional about him. Nothing about his game that makes me go “wow”. He’s just solid and consistent.

 

[Apun94]

This generation doesn't even have talents like Roddick/Hewitt/Safin/Delpo/Murray/Stan.

I agree wholeheartedly. So let's compare them to the Rod/Hew/Murray calibre players, certainly not the Big 3!

 

[InsideOut900]

I agree wholeheartedly. So let's compare them to the Rod/Hew/Murray calibre players, certainly not the Big 3!

Ok, Hewitt was a double #1, YEC winner and Slam winner while aged 19-21.
Beat that now.

 

[Milanez82]

Yeah, the guy only was *this close* to straight-setting two GOATs in back-to-back major finals - useless, indeed.

Couch potatoes have strong opinions indeed. (refeering to those posters with useless comments)

 

[Apun94]

Ok, Hewitt was a double #1, YEC winner and Slam winner while aged 19-21.
Beat that now.

Man, I'm not talking about how good this Gen is or not. Yes, they are historically weak, but in order for us to truly enjoy tennis in the present and future, let's just try to appreciate the level of the current Gen, rather than trying to awlays criticise them. Because you know who will suffer the most if we constantly just criticise them? Us tennis fans. Those guys will get their trophies and millions regardless

 

[Milanez82]

Ok, Hewitt was a double #1, YEC winner and Slam winner while aged 19-21.
Beat that now.

What did Hew manage rest of his career when Tour started exiting the Dark Ages

 

[mike danny]

What did Hew manage rest of his career when Tour started exiting the Dark Ages

I'm sure you don't even know what Hewitt went through.

And besides, pretending like 2016-present isn't the dark ages

 

[duaneeo]

I feel like we are being too hard on all the players not named Fedalovic. The Big 3 are a rare species.

You're being too soft on the CurrentGen's top dog and HC specialist.

Rafa wasn't a rare species at the AO. Look at the long list of players he lost to from 2010-2021. Even the younger players had joined in, with Thiem and Tsitsipas beating him in 2020 and 2021. Med losing to Rafa in 2022 after having a 2-0 lead is simply bad.

 

[TheNachoMan]

It’s funny that TTW experts tell me that slow courts are easy and are for baseline grinders. You’d think Medvedev would excel then.

 

[InsideOut900]

Yes, they are historically weak, but in order for us to truly enjoy tennis in the present and future, let's just try to appreciate the level of the current Gen, rather than trying to always criticise them. Because you know who will suffer the most if we constantly just criticise them? Us tennis fans. Those guys will get their trophies and millions regardless

I have seen too much to appreciate both the brand and the level of tennis produced by any of them.

You are absolutely right, but unfortunately tennis will keep losing entertainiment value if the generations keep turning out weak.

Consistency, a lot of exposure by having big wins and just not losing early very often, that's what keeps fans invested in players. And obviously rivalries. Then the subjective factor of playstyle.

It's not like a mother loving their child no matter how dumb they are, it's a bunch of people choosing how to invest their free time, some having very little to spare.