Martina doesn't believe Serena's withdrawal from double match was due to viral illness, and find it distressing to default a match.
Navratilova on Serena: 'It's not right'
Navratilova on Serena: 'It's not right'
Navratilova on Serena: "It's Not Right"
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Richie Rich
Legend
i would bet on a nervous breakdown or something like that. but we'll never know the real reason anyway.
Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
must be mono or something like that, what do you think, FTM?
why should she stfu? because she is correct? People pay to see them perform and her and her sister looked like they couldn't care less about the whole situation. Selfish and non professional are the words that come to mind. You step on the court you play.
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
Also:
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“It’s the most inexplicable thing of all that she was clearly in no state to play a match and that with all the people around her, that they didn’t stop her from getting on the court,” Navratilova said.
“The coach said he hadn’t seen her for two days. He didn’t know anything. How can you be a coach and not know anything? That’s wrong. And Venus was just kind of there. You don’t know what’s going on, but virus was not it, that much is clear.”
http://nypost.com/2014/07/03/navratilova-rejects-serenas-virus-excuse-for-wimbledon-meltdown/
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“It’s the most inexplicable thing of all that she was clearly in no state to play a match and that with all the people around her, that they didn’t stop her from getting on the court,” Navratilova said.
“The coach said he hadn’t seen her for two days. He didn’t know anything. How can you be a coach and not know anything? That’s wrong. And Venus was just kind of there. You don’t know what’s going on, but virus was not it, that much is clear.”
http://nypost.com/2014/07/03/navratilova-rejects-serenas-virus-excuse-for-wimbledon-meltdown/
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heftylefty
Hall of Fame
"So damned if you do, damned if you don't." Remember the last time the Williams sisters played Indian Wells and the "warm receiption they got?
The debate between IW and the WS is a different topic.
However, All England Club has been good to the WS for over a decade. Why screw it up ?
winstonplum
Hall of Fame
MN is 100% spot on. What a joke and an embarrassment that was for Serena. Just don't go out there. Total drama silliness. Serena has the mentality of a six year old sometimes.
Down_the_line
Legend
I'm Serena's biggest fan and I have to agree with Martina.
Something tells me Serena was just putting on a show to justify her loss to the world (By putting on a show I don't mean she was faking necessarily, just that she was willing to go out and show the world that she's not well). This is also made evident by the fact she tweeted a photo of herself passed out in front of her laptop.
Serena, I love you, but you're trying too hard.
Something tells me Serena was just putting on a show to justify her loss to the world (By putting on a show I don't mean she was faking necessarily, just that she was willing to go out and show the world that she's not well). This is also made evident by the fact she tweeted a photo of herself passed out in front of her laptop.
Serena, I love you, but you're trying too hard.
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Narcissist
Semi-Pro
Pretty much matches my reaction any time she comments. She has not been relevent for decades.
Down_the_line
Legend
Not relevant? She's one of the greatest players of all time. She's no less relevant than Rod Laver, Pete Sampras, Bjorn Borg, Steffi Graf or Chris Evert.
What she has to say is certainly more relevant than what some joe blow on this message board has to say.
No retired player is "relevant" as a player, but that's irrelevant here.
Navratilova is a professional tennis commentator (e.g., for the Tennis Channel). Her addressing this issue is perfectly appropriate.
heftylefty
Hall of Fame
Ralph
Hall of Fame
She tweeted what? Pictures of herself passed out?
Er..... Why would you do that? Attention seeking, is probably an understatement. Ridiculous. If you're truly ill you're not going to waste energy and time spreading that via social media. Unless you're not ill.
and what did they have to say about it?
Down_the_line
Legend
They weren't asked.
Down_the_line
Legend
Nope, I'm not that serious about my beliefs and I definitely think some people take it too seriously, but I won't judge them for it.
It's a non issue, really, and it's peculiar that it seems to rouse so much vitriol in people. Conviction? Insecurity? Who knows. Anyway, this isn't a topic for a tennis message board.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Not really. It's a common mistake to make a call to authority and say "Well she has 18 GS so obviously she knows more than anybody here", but sometimes it's the other way around.
It's like when McEnroe says Nadal has the greatest volleys in the top 100. Anybody that really watches tennis will never believe that. I don't care if that man has 7 GS or not. My opinion from watching many matches of Nadal's and then comparing him to others in volleying ability is that he's not the best vollyer in the top 100. My opinion is just as valid as McEnroe's.
You are confusing "incorrect" with "irrelevant." Mac's opinion is wrong, but relevant. Martina's is also relevant, whether it is correct or not.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Looks to me like Serena just had three glass more wine then she normally has before a match! Tipsee is the word for it!
I did that in college in a fun type match when the temperature as in the 100s and acted the same way too! Tennis was blur but I laughed out loud think this pretty cool. So I can relate! Everyone had fun!
I did that in college in a fun type match when the temperature as in the 100s and acted the same way too! Tennis was blur but I laughed out loud think this pretty cool. So I can relate! Everyone had fun!
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Nadal is the greatest volleyer in the top 4! Go Rafa!
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
I wholeheartedly agree with your post, except the sometimes part.
Taking sometimes out of the sentence, will make it more accurate.
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
I bet you never seen Johnny Mac playing.
What may or may not make Johnny Mac believable on this specific issue (the volley) is not that McEnroe won 7 GS, what gives weight to his opinion is that he had the best volley of his generation, and perhaps the best ever.
When it comes to volleys, Johnny knows better.
But then, how would you know that, if you never saw him in action.
chandler bing
Rookie
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And yet, here you are talking about her (Navratilova)MN expressed concern for Serena, and her remarks were pretty restrained.
Gurl was clearly under the influence of something stronger than a Tylenol and shouldn't have been allowed to leave her hotel room, let alone step onto a tennis court in public.
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Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
No. That doesn't mean anything either. Just because the man had great volleys does not make him a good judge of volleying talent.
I can think of a couple hockey analogies right off the top of my head. Scotty Bowman and Wayne Gretzky. One was a mediocre player who's probably the greatest head coach ever. And one was probably the greatest hockey player in history but he was a terrible coach.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
I swear to god, it seems like there is always a thread on here with Navratilova bashing or disagreeing with someone in someway.... just always negative comments from here.... why is this?....
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
It didn't look like alcohol to me (no giggling or euphoric effect or throwing up). More tranquilizers or sedatives: confusion, lack of coordination, lack of energy and loss of emotional control. It definitely looked like some drug effect. Shame she went onto the court at all. But probably no one around her knew, they were taken by surprise.
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The crowd booed Serena at IW because it was generally thought by those in the crowd that the default was because the Williams sisters didn't want to play each other. don't know if that was really the case, but the crowd had a lot of reasons to think that - not the least because of the press coverage that issue had received (possibly not fair to the Williams) before the match and because Venus had seemed perfectly healthy before the match. People had driven long distances just to watch the Williams sisters play because they were fans and were understandably upset.
The case here at Wimbledon is different. Serena tried to play, but didn't continue. I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt here unless someone has proof of some misdeeds. She went out on the court and gave it a try. If she didn't prepare herself right for the match, that is unprofessional in the larger sense, but at least she tried to give the fans something to watch. I'm disagreeing with Martina Navratilova here, if you've got a scheduled match in front of the fans, you should do whatever you can to play.
She also looked sick at Charleston. Might be a larger problem than just one match.
So, in my opinion, good if you do and bad if you don't.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
yemenmocha
Professional
Venus smiled at Serena on court there. An odd smile if an innocent, viral illness interpretation is given. remember that part?
Why?
Why?
Hmm... I'd believe what McEnroe says (unless he is motivated to lie for some reason)... Doesn't matter how many Nadal's (and others') matches you've watched. It's just there are things you can't see but McEnroe can. Also we rarely see Nadal volley, so how can you be so convinced? Finally, do you think Jonny Mac sees less tennis than you do?
(Well, Nadal is great at volley watchng his double matches.)
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
sure, keep telling yourself that
I will, because I'm right.
purple-n-gold
Hall of Fame
Who cares. Agree that it was unfortunate that Serena went out to play, but who is she to be calling someone out.
A professional tennis commentator, as I've already pointed out in this thread.
purple-n-gold
Hall of Fame
Huh? The "drama" occurred all by itself on the court, without any intervention by Navratilova. Serena gets all the credit for the bizarre incident. Navratilova merely did her job by voicing an opinion on the latest news in women's tennis.
martini1
Hall of Fame
That would be the most logical answer. If she is infected with a virus she would feel sick way before this sudden disorientation. It has to be something kicking in way stronger than she expected. But I wonder if she would even pass the drug test after the match...
Vanhool
Hall of Fame
I agree. If I booked my once in a lifetime trip to Wimbledon second week, and one of my faves was WS and they didn't show up, I would be very sad. All the talking heads would roll their eyes and say how awful it was that she faked an illness after Cornet loss and left town.
When did Martina graduate from medical school ffs? It's one thing to say it seems a little odd, but the utter certainty without evidence is asinine IMO. If she's proven wrong, I hope Dr. Crabapple apologizes for calling the entire Williams camp liars.
Barring evidence to the contrary, I will accept the doctor's opinion for just about anything/anyone. But I like to gossip and speculate as much as the next person. The explanations that I think are possible, but not probable, are mistimed sleeping pill (she often complains of insomnia), pain medication (back seems to be becoming more of an issue), coverup of a more serious illness like MS (or some other condition that's less serious but might make her seem weak to opponents). But people get sick all the time, so why not a virus?
I hope it is just a virus. I did notice at the Cornet press conference she was acting kind of strange (a little glassy eyed and slurry) and seemed to not have an accurate assessment of the match she just played (thought she was playing well and hitting hard even though she played poorly, thought Cornet was playing super awesome when it was just regular level Cornet).
Patrick also said something very cryptic in his pre wimbledon interview with Carillo about how a certain something is always going on when Serena isn't playing well but only he and Serena know what that is. What the hell is it?!!! Pms? Back pain? Gout? Moon squared mars? Something messing with her serve?
So, I am a huge Serena fan and even I am left wondering a little, but I think MN was wrong to accuse them of anything without evidence. A virus is entirely possible and plausible. And also, Serena tweeted that sleeping photo for her fans to look at (she constantly tweets pictures of herself), espn are the idiots for showing it every 2 minutes when it means nothing other than product placement for her sponsors lol.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Venus just didn't know how to react. It was clear she had no clue what was happening.
I agree with everything you said.
It is absurd for Martina to assert definitively what medical diagnosis Serena did not have.
Martina is not a medical professional.
It certainly could be a virus that caused vertigo. It could be other things as well. None of us has any idea what was going on, but it was pretty scary and looked serious.
It gives a bit of insight into Serena's camp that no one was aware of the fact that she shouldn't have been playing and stopped her before she ever got on court.
I have a feeling if her dad was there, things might have been different.
Mr.Lob
G.O.A.T.
I think older former players like Navratilova have more respect for the tradition of Wimbledon than today's players, namely Serena. Martina believes Serena purposefully disrespected the game. Serena was using Wimbledon as her private amusement park. So Martina let her have it.
This episode will either destroy Serena, or motivate her to get back on top. Serenas reaction, or nonreaction, to this event is telling.
This episode will either destroy Serena, or motivate her to get back on top. Serenas reaction, or nonreaction, to this event is telling.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Serena is making enough stories for her best seller in 2018.
Seriously, has there any other player with so much melodramatics ? Not even Connors, Agassi and McEnroe can compete.
Seriously, has there any other player with so much melodramatics ? Not even Connors, Agassi and McEnroe can compete.
Down_the_line
Legend
Scotty Bowman STILL knows how to win. I wouldn't be surprised if he's behind a lot of the good stuff his son is doing in Chicago.
