Origin/Velocity
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liftordie
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Did you tried HDX/Cream or not?
Better spin/control than V/Cream?
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
No ... by the time I tried hdx I had dropped poly including cream (which is ironic because poly in hdx). I found fb hdx a little more spin than fb v, and hdx/v a little more spin then origin/v. Based on that, I would expect hdx/cream to also have more spin than v/cream ... but you never know for sure how two strings work with each other until you try it.
You have asked a lot of questions at this point. What strings have you tried at this point?
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Many!!
Actually I'm playing and loving VS Touch 16/Max Power Rough 17 but it will break pretty soon only after 3hours of play... And it is still a little bit too stiff...
So I'm still searching a great arm friendly combo with good spin and control..... Like so many other players here...
Next I will try (already ordered) :
Velocity/Cream
Tecnifibre Multifeel (2018 version)/Cream
Maybe HDX/Cream or fb HDX...
Will see what happen...
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
If you break gut in 3 hours you should be on the ATP tour, and are wasting your time with nylon strings. Do you have your own stringing machine?
liftordie
Hall of Fame
It is not broken but I can see one main starting to fray... And yes after only 3hours on clay...
But maybe it will last much longer!? I hope so!!!
Don't have stringing machine.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
If you like gut/poly then I'd suggest Babolat tonic for longevity or Klip legend for value. Both will likely cost the same per hour on court. VS is overpriced.
If you want a softer poly than Max Power, try either 18g or swapping to Cream. I've been playing some with Legend/Cream and its quite a soft experience. Not O/V soft, but pretty good for a poly.
I used to get 15-20h easily with Tonic/4G in the old days of healthy tendons. It was my most durable setup.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Yes I plan to try Tonic longevity/Cream
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Yes I plan to try Tonic longevity/Cream
And if your arm can't handle that, then time to move away from polys entirely. Or get into an arm friendly racquet.
Same experience with the black V 16g crosses. Does the Natural V do this as well?Strings after 30 minute of playing freshly strung Origin/Velocity. Velocity is a slick string, but after a few hits it seems to get kind of textured or sticky, picking up the yellow fuss from the balls. Anyone experiencing this ?
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I find the natural V does less of this as the coating seems more abrasion resistant.
As much as I love the look of Black V, I've totally switched over to Natural V. Stays slippery longer, less string movement.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Mine (o natural 16/v natural 16) @55/52 never move that much ... even at 20 hours. I get some movement outside the middle 8 mains, but not bad. I get more movement with fb v ... but nothing like your pic. I changed fb v from fb 52 to 54/52 and it helped. I don’t mind my level of string straightening... but yours would drive me nuts. Does fb poly stay straight for you?
What tension was your o/v strung at?
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Natural is much better in that regard IMO, and strings move less. I have same experience as @Dartagnan64
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
My only feedback is origin 16 is POWERFUL ... fb o 16 red @55 was a rocket launcher ... but o/v @55/52 about right. So if I was trying o 16/cream 1.28 @55/50 probably. Sorry ... never played 17g origin or 1.23 cream.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
I don't think O/C is a good choice, personally... No spin and too much power... V/C is not too powerful, great control and spin.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Did you play it ... I haven't. FB origin 16 red @55 was very little spin for me, but o/v @55/52 tamed the power, and is actually good spin (more than fb v). Seems cream would do the same adding spin to origin and taming it, but you never know until you try it. But yes ... v/c was great spin for me, more than o/v. I just remember an elbow twinge after some hours ... didn't stick with it. Origin is just about as arm friendly as v, probably best tension maintenance other than gut, doesn't fray, nice feel/sound ... checks off a lot of boxes.
liftordie
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Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Crank up the Origin to 58 and run Cream at 50.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
@Dartagnan64 do you play with Phantom Pro 100 or Phantom 100?
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I play with Phantom 100 and a Phantom Pro 93P. And when the mood suits me, a POG 107. The 93P is what I use mostly.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
What big differences between Pro 100 and 100? Where is the best spin and control?
Automatix
Legend
Are you saying Cyclone Tour doesn't go dead on you or you simply snap it before it can?
g4driver
Legend
It goes dead about the same time it snaps for me and several 4.0 / 4.5 male clients who it. Sometimes it snaps, other times I cut it out and restring it. Same for multiple clients. Several guys play till it breaks, and one of the "play till it breaks" guy goes through 3 frames a month.
Been using it for 5+ years now At less than $7 per frame, it is a great string.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Phantom 100 - best spin
Phantom Pro 100 - better control
Phantom Pro 93P - Best control
Been experimenting with Velocity crosses and a number of different mains, it’s almost like sweep the shop and any qualify multi or syn gut is going in the mains.
RF97 NXT/ Velocity 55/52
PS 97 NXT/ Velocity 57/54
6.1 95 18x20. Gosen Micro/ Velocity 54/50
It’s all playing well and a much needed break for the arm after a long season with Gut/poly and Poly/Poly. Arm feels fresh and zero pain or stiffness in the elbow.
RF97 NXT/ Velocity 55/52
PS 97 NXT/ Velocity 57/54
6.1 95 18x20. Gosen Micro/ Velocity 54/50
It’s all playing well and a much needed break for the arm after a long season with Gut/poly and Poly/Poly. Arm feels fresh and zero pain or stiffness in the elbow.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Any reason for stringing PS97s tighter than RF97s? Just curious.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Maybe because it is a more powerful frame?...
Play with the PS97 in stock form so going from the heavier frames to that frame It generates a good bit more racquet head speed. Couple of pounds tension helps to control the ball.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Thanks for clarifying; I just asked as it seemed counterintuitive that the heavier, presumably more powerful model wouldn't need to be strung more tightly.
The RF97 can tend to feel really stiff when the tension gets too high for me. Tried Velocity/ Weiss Cannon at 55/52 and it felt like a board. Have played poly in the RF97 from 50-52 for awhile and have played the PS97 at 52-54.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Just need to read RF97 to feel pain in the arm!!
That is true..the wrong string or the wrong tension and it will hurt you.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I think you are going about it right sticking with a cross, and testing different mains avoiding the infinite hybrid rabbit hole. For those of us who have to avoid all poly, velocity is a decent alternative. I found both origin/v and hdx/v to play great, and both of those mains great on tension maintenance. I keep expecting someone to try X-One/V since X-One is so popular (I have never hit with it).
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I love it when I plant a string seed and it produces. This use to work with @Traffic until he caught on.
I love it when I plant a string seed and it produces. This use to work with @Traffic until he caught on.
Thank you guys for sharing the information so that others may prosper. I am playing some decent ball and the arm feels better than ever.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Does Origin 17 is so slick as TWU mention it?
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/stringfrictiontool.php
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/stringfrictiontool.php
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Maybe fresh off the stringer. But it doesn’t stay slick for long.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
O/C better than O/V on clay?
@Dartagnan64
@Dartagnan64
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I would suspect O/C would be better on clay although i've not used it. I've used O/V and L/C on clay and L/C is better since the clay takes off V coating reasonably quickly. O/V is a really good hard court combo but I'd go with poly crosses on clay. O/C would be a really good combo which I might use in my POG 107.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Strange that you still not tried it!!
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Strange that you still not tried it!!
Hard time getting Cream so I've been mostly using my limited supply on Legend/Cream in my 93P. The POG 107 hasn't been used much lately and has some fresh O/V in it I don't want to cut out. Next stringing if I've got Cream around.
So many strings, so little time. And strings last far longer in my 93P than they ever did in my PD or Blade. 18x20 in a flexible frame makes a huge difference.
@ByeByePoly
Is there a reason you play full bed V instead of O/V?
What are the main differences?
I am guessing:
Power: O/V > V
Control: V > O/V
Comfort ?
I could use a "tad" power boost to my frame (i play with control frame) so wondering O/V maintains similar control characteristics and not a rocket launcher but provides a little bit more power boost..
thanks!
Is there a reason you play full bed V instead of O/V?
What are the main differences?
I am guessing:
Power: O/V > V
Control: V > O/V
Comfort ?
I could use a "tad" power boost to my frame (i play with control frame) so wondering O/V maintains similar control characteristics and not a rocket launcher but provides a little bit more power boost..
thanks!
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Yes ... O/V (@Dartagnan64 's great find) is a great option if you want to bump up power ... but still play fb V adjacent. I found O/V 55/52 a power boost over fb V @52 ... but still controllable. FB Origin @55 was too powerful, would have gone to @58 ... but I couldn't get good spin out of fb Origin. O/V tames the O and brings spin to pretty much fb v level ... and some days seemed like o/v had a little more. O is a little muted ... but not as much as V, so you will feel more. I found v more arm friendly of the two .. but obviously both arm friendly. What I found was a slower swing was noticeably easier on my post TE elbow with fb V than o/v ... but on full cuts both felt great. Origin is a great feeling string to me on full swings.
If you want fb v adjacent, a power boost but also more crisp less mute ... try @Znak 's AK Pro CX/V. Also played great ... crisper ... my 1hbh drop shot was lethal.
Thanks! Very helpful.
I actually have a set of AK Pro CX at home.... what a coincidence... awesome! similar tension you reckon? 55/52 for AK Pro CX/V?
