Race to YE#1 2023 - Djokovic v. Alcaraz

[TripleATeam]

Just today, we finished the final slam on tour! You know what that means! The final stretch is upon us!

Up until now, these two have assembled the most points on tour. But let's be kind and include the USO finalist as well.

	Race to Turin	Likely points left to play
Djokovic	8945	3500
Alcaraz	8175	4000
Medvedev	6590	4250 (if #1 seems in reach)

There are 4 weeks of 250s left, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo, Vienna/Basel, Paris, then the ATP Finals.

Chengdu/Zhuhai	250
Astana	250
Beijing	500
Shanghai	1000
Tokyo	500
Stockholm/Antwerp	250
Vienna/Basel	500
Paris	1000
Metz/Tel Aviv	250
ATP Finals	1500

Djokovic is unlikely to play anything except the 1000+ level tournaments, so 3500. Alcaraz is likely to play 1 of the 3 remaining 500s, and I could see Medvedev playing his heart out to be YE#1 if he had the chance in his grasp (something like Metz/Tel Aviv right before the ATP Finals).

It's difficult to project anything into the future, but if my assumption that Alcaraz plays a 500 and Djokovic doesn't, the Race should really come down to whomever plays better in this part of the season. A large point total of that will be accumulated in the ATP Finals. I'll keep this thread up to date from tournament to tournament to see how it's shaping up - let's hope it's an interesting race!

 

[mahatma]

Djokovic should get the YE #1 this year. Will probably require him to win one more big title and one deep run in any other + few points in ATP finals etc.

I see him winning either one of Paris / Shanghai.

Not so sure about ATP finals.

A 4 slam finalist and 3 slam winner not being YE#1 would be a shame

 

[Biotic]

I think Ivanisevic said Djoko may not go to China this year.

 

[mahatma]

I think Ivanisevic said Djoko may not go to China this year.

Has he. Well he deserves his break.

What do you do when so much history is on the line.

He can break the record of YE#1s this year. Also if he doesn’t get YE#1, mostly Alcaraz gets it - and will have 2 YE#1s at such a young age and will be in pole position to break this record during his career

 

[fafa]

Díd Tiny grow an inch of two this last year? He looks short in that pic next to Novak.

 

[fafa]

He shouldn't gift an YE#1. He already did that in 2016. If he's not playing in Asia then vulture the necessary points in Europe. He probably won't get 1500 points playing WTF.

 

[Unseeded Player]

I think Ivanisevic said Djoko may not go to China this year.

I also think that I read China is not in the schdule this year.

 

[One]

Novak will not play in Beijing, while Carlos will play it alonside Basel. I still think Carlos is the favorite to get YEN1.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Just today, we finished the final slam on tour! You know what that means! The final stretch is upon us!

Up until now, these two have assembled the most points on tour. But let's be kind and include the USO finalist as well.

	Race to Turin	Likely points left to play
Djokovic	8945	3500
Alcaraz	8175	4000
Medvedev	6590	4250 (if #1 seems in reach)

There are 4 weeks of 250s left, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo, Vienna/Basel, Paris, then the ATP Finals.

Chengdu/Zhuhai	250
Astana	250
Beijing	500
Shanghai	1000
Tokyo	500
Stockholm/Antwerp	250
Vienna/Basel	500
Paris	1000
Metz/Tel Aviv	250
ATP Finals	1500

Djokovic is unlikely to play anything except the 1000+ level tournaments, so 3500. Alcaraz is likely to play 1 of the 3 remaining 500s, and I could see Medvedev playing his heart out to be YE#1 if he had the chance in his grasp (something like Metz/Tel Aviv right before the ATP Finals).

It's difficult to project anything into the future, but if my assumption that Alcaraz plays a 500 and Djokovic doesn't, the Race should really come down to whomever plays better in this part of the season. A large point total of that will be accumulated in the ATP Finals. I'll keep this thread up to date from tournament to tournament to see how it's shaping up - let's hope it's an interesting race!

Djokovic is much better indoors so I expect him to capture the YE#1.

 

[FeroBango]

The three slam winner of the year is the best on earth. No one else deserves to finish #1, and I say this as someone who genuinely backs Carlos unlike the bandwagoners who hop and jump as per convenience.

 

[ImmorTAL Big 3]

He shouldn't gift an YE#1. He already did that in 2016. If he's not playing in Asia then vulture the necessary points in Europe. He probably won't get 1500 points playing WTF.

Well to be honest he don't give it away just Murray break his body to earned it.5 consecutive titles post US Open without loosing a match.

 

[James_Bolt]

Just today, we finished the final slam on tour! You know what that means! The final stretch is upon us!

Up until now, these two have assembled the most points on tour. But let's be kind and include the USO finalist as well.

	Race to Turin	Likely points left to play
Djokovic	8945	3500
Alcaraz	8175	4000
Medvedev	6590	4250 (if #1 seems in reach)

There are 4 weeks of 250s left, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo, Vienna/Basel, Paris, then the ATP Finals.

Chengdu/Zhuhai	250
Astana	250
Beijing	500
Shanghai	1000
Tokyo	500
Stockholm/Antwerp	250
Vienna/Basel	500
Paris	1000
Metz/Tel Aviv	250
ATP Finals	1500

Djokovic is unlikely to play anything except the 1000+ level tournaments, so 3500. Alcaraz is likely to play 1 of the 3 remaining 500s, and I could see Medvedev playing his heart out to be YE#1 if he had the chance in his grasp (something like Metz/Tel Aviv right before the ATP Finals).

It's difficult to project anything into the future, but if my assumption that Alcaraz plays a 500 and Djokovic doesn't, the Race should really come down to whomever plays better in this part of the season. A large point total of that will be accumulated in the ATP Finals. I'll keep this thread up to date from tournament to tournament to see how it's shaping up - let's hope it's an interesting race!

Djokovic is ahead with 770 points.
Alcaraz is on the entry list of China Open [ATP 500] and Basel [ATP500]

Djokovic has to do as much as Alcaraz, or better, at Shanghai, Paris and ATP Finals combined.

 

[messiahrobins]

Just today, we finished the final slam on tour! You know what that means! The final stretch is upon us!

Up until now, these two have assembled the most points on tour. But let's be kind and include the USO finalist as well.

	Race to Turin	Likely points left to play
Djokovic	8945	3500
Alcaraz	8175	4000
Medvedev	6590	4250 (if #1 seems in reach)

There are 4 weeks of 250s left, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo, Vienna/Basel, Paris, then the ATP Finals.

Chengdu/Zhuhai	250
Astana	250
Beijing	500
Shanghai	1000
Tokyo	500
Stockholm/Antwerp	250
Vienna/Basel	500
Paris	1000
Metz/Tel Aviv	250
ATP Finals	1500

Djokovic is unlikely to play anything except the 1000+ level tournaments, so 3500. Alcaraz is likely to play 1 of the 3 remaining 500s, and I could see Medvedev playing his heart out to be YE#1 if he had the chance in his grasp (something like Metz/Tel Aviv right before the ATP Finals).

It's difficult to project anything into the future, but if my assumption that Alcaraz plays a 500 and Djokovic doesn't, the Race should really come down to whomever plays better in this part of the season. A large point total of that will be accumulated in the ATP Finals. I'll keep this thread up to date from tournament to tournament to see how it's shaping up - let's hope it's an interesting race!

Its meaningless now. Djokoviv 3-1 Alcaraz this season. Thats all that matters.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I want Djokovic to stop the kid's momentum now. It's enough. The kid is celebrated while our guy is reigning the sport. The history should forever remember Nole, not the kid, to be the GOAT. Yes. Play 500s in Europe.

 

[messiahrobins]

I want Djokovic to stop the kid's momentum now. It's enough. The kid is celebrated while our guy is reigning the sport. The history should forever remember Nole, not the kid, to be the GOAT. Yes. Play 500s in Europe.

What happens if alcaraz beats him lets say at bercy shanghai and yec? Does it really matter?

 

[nolefam_2024]

What happens if alcaraz beats him lets say at bercy shanghai and yec? Does it really matter?

No. Only thing that matters in 2023 for Nole is holding YE number 1 now. Nole shouldn't bother keeping H2H at every single small tournament. He is 36.

 

[messiahrobins]

No. Only thing that matters in 2023 for Nole is holding YE number 1 now. Nole shouldn't bother keeping H2H at every single small tournament. He is 36.

Does ye1 even matter now? Alcaraz has moee chance to get 30 majora than break novak ye1 recors as alcaraz i sense will be like nadal and tend to peak for majors then have time off tour once he ia older in mid 20s. Hard to get ye1 doing that

 

[FeroBango]

Its meaningless now. Djokoviv 3-1 Alcaraz this season. Thats all that matters.

Alcaraz missed the AO but he had a chance to equal it 2-2. He failed. Djokovic is the best player on earth regardless of who finishes 1.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Does ye1 even matter now? Alcaraz has moee chance to get 30 majora than break novak ye1 recors as alcaraz i sense will be like nadal and tend to peak for majors then have time off tour once he ia older in mid 20s. Hard to get ye1 doing that

Alcaraz at 20 has 35 weeks already. I think he has great start.

 

[James_Bolt]

If Alcaraz plays China Open and Basel, it means that he will have to play 5 weeks out 6 before going to ATP Finals.

 

[LaVie en Rose]

I think Ivanisevic said Djoko may not go to China this year.

That's true. Probably no Shanghai for Novak
Also Novak himself said after USO triumph he only thinks about playing for Serbia in DC. Damn

 

[Rattie]

Alcaraz’s schedule according to this article:

Carlos Alcaraz's final five tournaments of 2023 revealed with exciting exhibition event also confirmed

Carlos Alcaraz will play in five more official tournaments this year before bringing his 2023 campaign to an end with an exhibition event in Mexico.

www.tennis365.com

China Open – September 28 to October 4
Shanghai Masters – October 4 to 15
Swiss Indoors – October 23 to 29
Paris Masters – October 30 to November 5
ATP Finals – November 12 to 19

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I think Ivanisevic said Djoko may not go to China this year.

He might go to Shanghai. Definitely not doing Beijing though. We will see. Don’t blame him if he wants an extended rest now though. Haha

 

[TheNachoMan]

Alcaraz’s schedule according to this article:

Carlos Alcaraz's final five tournaments of 2023 revealed with exciting exhibition event also confirmed

Carlos Alcaraz will play in five more official tournaments this year before bringing his 2023 campaign to an end with an exhibition event in Mexico.

www.tennis365.com

China Open – September 28 to October 4
Shanghai Masters – October 4 to 15
Swiss Indoors – October 23 to 29
Paris Masters – October 30 to November 5
ATP Finals – November 12 to 19

Jesus, he’s gonna exhaust himself before the WTF.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

I suspect Djoker will be tired an uninterested and won't do very well for the rest of the season, he already accomplished what matters the most. Raz will be hungrier because of his recent failures.

 

[Jonesy]

Novak should just take it easy and rest.

 

[Rattie]

Jesus, he’s gonna exhaust himself before the WTF.

That depends on how deep his runs are I guess. It’s not to say he will actually play them all

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yes. Nole can just rest for now.

 

[Red Rick]

Djoko should play Europe just to not get rusty, plus sole record holder at WTF is a worthwile goal too.

Alcaraz is not gonna sweep with that schedule

 

[RS]

Jesus, he’s gonna exhaust himself before the WTF.

He will pull out of one I think.

 

[itrium84]

I seriously doubt Carlos will play Basel.
Most probably he'll play China tournaments, collect 1000+ points, covering the 770 deficit and gaining some advantage in the race.
Then, it's all about Bercy and YEC, where they'll both fight for YEno1.

 

[Biotic]

Alcaraz is going hard for that YE#1.

Doesn't matter, we all know who ends up on @NonP list of true YE#1.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djoko should play Europe just to not get rusty, plus sole record holder at WTF is a worthwile goal too.

Alcaraz is not gonna sweep with that schedule

Alcaraz will not like you said. We haven't seen him play amazing post USOpen yet. And we may not see this year as well.

 

[Hitman]

This is going to be tight, my focus has quickly shifted to this now, with the slam season finished.

It could be decided at the YEC I think. Novak probably knows this is his last reign as world number one and his last chance for a final year ending number one. I am certain he is going to push for it, but Alcaraz wants that ranking back asap and I know he is going to fight tooth and nail to lock it in.

 

[RaulRamirez]

He shouldn't gift an YE#1. He already did that in 2016. If he's not playing in Asia then vulture the necessary points in Europe. He probably won't get 1500 points playing WTF.

Well, he didn't gift 2016. He was running on fumes, and Andy played his butt off, including defeating him H2H in the ATP Finals (finals).
I really don't know how much YE#1 - and/or a possible additional ATP Finals trophy - means to him.
He's goal-oriented, for sure, but just don't know how much these are worth compared to being more rested for 2024.

 

[Cortana]

Lol imagine winning 3/4 slams with 1 runner up and not finishing the year as nr1.

 

[top10]

We should consider Medvedev in the equation also. It seems he has Carlos figured out and had gained confidence after the USO beating…

 

[ewiewp]

If I were Alcaraz, I probably don't have strong motivation to make any effort to finish YE#1.
I would know Novak is #1 this year.

 

[Razer]

Paris + WTF

Djoker can target these 2, should get the points needed.

 

[Jonesy]

Carlos is yet to prove he can keep his level for this part of the season.

 

[ND-13]

It would be a travesty if the winner of the greatest tournament of earth is not YE No 1

All jokes aside, these numbers don’t mean much and Novak is the No 1

 

[Fedeonic]

This is the first time that the winner of 3 Grand Slams in the same year has not secured the World N°1 after the US Open since Roger Federer in 2007, which eventually secured it in Basel.

 

[80s New Wave]

Lol imagine winning 3/4 slams with 1 runner up and not finishing the year as nr1.

Pretty much this. Regardless of how the numbers shake out anyone who really pays attention knows who the best player is.

 

[StannisTheMannis]

Paris + WTF

Djoker can target these 2, should get the points needed.

Needs to play Shanghai and get atleast some points.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Tennis channel discussed this as golden opportunity for Alcaraz to win 6 in a row ye. But they also said if he lost it this year it would be very difficult and pretty much impossible. Let's see. I want Nole to stop him.v

 

[CoolCoolCool]

This is going to be tight, my focus has quickly shifted to this now, with the slam season finished.

It could be decided at the YEC I think. Novak probably knows this is his last reign as world number one and his last chance for a final year ending number one. I am certain he is going to push for it, but Alcaraz wants that ranking back asap and I know he is going to fight tooth and nail to lock it in.

He made it clear slams and Olympics are the only things he cares about now. Being #1 or ending the year as #1 is not on his priority list, I think.

 

[StannisTheMannis]

He made it clear slams and Olympics are the only things he cares about now. Being #1 or ending the year as #1 is not on his priority list, I think.

There’s no way 400 weeks isn’t on his mind

 

[CoolCoolCool]

There’s no way 400 weeks isn’t on his mind

He said it himself, he stopped caring about weeks at #1 once he got the record. 400 weeks is more a fan obsession than something he wants himself, I think. It's just a nice round number, wouldn't make a big difference.

 

[fafa]

Well to be honest he don't give it away just Murray break his body to earned it.5 consecutive titles post US Open without loosing a match.

But he could've played a couple of tournaments to secure the no1 spot instead of depending only on WTF points.

 

[Biotic]

This is going to be tight, my focus has quickly shifted to this now, with the slam season finished.

It could be decided at the YEC I think. Novak probably knows this is his last reign as world number one and his last chance for a final year ending number one. I am certain he is going to push for it, but Alcaraz wants that ranking back asap and I know he is going to fight tooth and nail to lock it in.

He actually said that his season ends with DC, the job is pretty much done and everything else is just a bonus.