TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Now that I think about it, a Nadal-Djokovic final being winner take all is possible! Nadal just needs to lose a RR match but still win the group.
Race to YE#1 2019
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beard
Legend
Even if that's true, you forgot Federer who is Rafa's nemesis lately off clay...Djokovic isn't good enough to beat Medvedev of late, whereas Rafa has never lost to Medvedev.
That is the deciding factor at London
Nadal_King
Hall of Fame
Yes that is possible but if there is a nadal in group then it's possible nadal losing a group match and federer winning all 3.
TripleATeam
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Yeah, that's the hard part there. Nadal has to lose a match but still be 1st in the group, which means someone goes 0-3 and everyone else goes 2-1 in the group.
Nadal_King
Hall of Fame
But still tomorrow a final has to be played and if shapo wins which is unlikely then it will get hugely in nadal's favour
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Denis has been utterly destroyed the last two times he played Djoker and won a total of 9 games in two matches. Djokovic also bageled in at the AO this year. His prospects don't look promising, but KK pulled off the stunner in last year's final, so stranger things have happened in tennis.
TripleATeam
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TripleATeam
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Assuming Djokovic beats Shapovalov:
| Nadal\Djokovic | RR (3 losses) | SF (2 losses) | RR (1 loss) | SF (1 loss) | SF (0 loss) | F (1 loss) | F (0 loss) | W (1 loss) | W (0 loss) |
| RR (3 losses) | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Djokovic | Djokovic | Djokovic | Djokovic |
| SF (2 losses) | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Djokovic | Djokovic | Djokovic |
| RR (1 loss) | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Djokovic | Djokovic |
| SF (1 loss) | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Djokovic | Djokovic |
| SF (0 loss) | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Djokovic | Djokovic |
| F (1 loss) | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Djokovic |
| F (0 loss) | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal |
| W (1 loss) | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | X | X |
| W (0 loss) | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | Nadal | X | X |
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
I can't believe people who think Denis will beat Novak. You only need to watch their previous matches to know why Novak is a bad matchup for the Canadian.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Excellent post. I doubt Nadal cares about #1.
He's weird though. He still might play Davis cup for his country.
All in all, he needs to be ready for 2020 AO.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Great Summary. Appreciate all the work with the different scenarios.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Excellent. This is every possible scenario.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Huh? Decipher these Heiroglyphics.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Horizontally are Djokovic's hypothetical results.
Vertically are Nadal's hypothetical results.
You can see at each stage where both results cross what is the outcome for the final YE#1
For example, take the second horizontal position for Djokovic (SF 2 losses): it means that Djokovic will reach the SF and will post 2 losses (one in the RR stage, one in the SF). In that case there is no scenario where Nadal isn't an YE #1, which is why everywhere "Nadal" is listed in the column.
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Sentinel
Bionic Poster
So Nole has to reach the final at the very least.
And since Nadal is bound to win at least one match, so Nole has to win WTF to have a chance of #1.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Well we know Imhotep will be in the final, so....... lol
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
That is something that gives me hope - Nole has to make final at least....Might have a difficult semi final...
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
Nadal is bound to win or loss any only if he plays WTF.
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Rafa would have played today if there was no London to prepare for.
Believe me he's played with far worse pain than a minor stomach strain.
In fact, Rafa was far more injured in the 2017 World Tour Finals, and still played and fought like crazy!
Rafa only withdrew yesterday because he has to play London shortly, so he doesn't want the strain to get any worse before London.
I bet you your/my TalkTennis account that Rafa will play London
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
More or less. He can reach the final without a RR loss if Nadal ends up winning just 1 match, but yeah - any less than a win and Djokovic's chances go down drastically.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa would have played today if there was no London to prepare for.
Believe me he's played with far worse pain than a minor stomach strain.
In fact, Rafa was far more injured in the 2017 World Tour Finals, and still played and fought like crazy!
Rafa only withdrew yesterday because he has to play London shortly, so he doesn't want the strain to get any worse before London.
I bet you your/my TalkTennis account that Rafa will play London
Rafa's withdrawal is not about playing through pain, it's about being fresh as a daisy for Australia.
TripleATeam
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Many twists and turns have led to this! The final ascent to the throne for either Rafa or Nole!
If Djokovic wins each of his remaining 3 matches, he ends the year as #1.
If Djokovic fails to win one, Nadal stays #1 to the end of the year.
If Djokovic wins each of his remaining 3 matches, he ends the year as #1.
If Djokovic fails to win one, Nadal stays #1 to the end of the year.
Yugram
Legend
That was on point.
Weird, I remember replying to @TripleATeam on YE#1 topic back in September, but I guess it was some other thread. My take was, that considering how unstable Djokovic was all season, there is no sense to assume he can win everything during the Fall season. For a moment we got glimpse of Ultron, but then it faded.
Controversial season for Novak. Apart from 2 monumental Slam wins (each in a bit different way) he wasn’t that much of a threat and lost to the likes of Kohlschreiber and Bautista Agut. And what was that today from Novak? He was playing like against Londero at USO when he was, well, injured.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
It wasn't even that monstrous - all he really had to do was to win 3 more matches
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Nothing to say but great job on a race well run! Congrats to Nadal and his fans - 5 YE#1s to tie the rest of the big 3, as well as 10 years being #1 sometime during the year! Well done to both players, and I look forward to a similar thread next year.
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