DjokovicForTheWin
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Interesting, so now Nadal is advocating cheating.
Rafa's response on time violations.
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DjokovicForTheWin
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What's the big deal if you get a point penalty? Just enforce the damn rule all the time no matter what the situation. Screw the damn crowd clapping
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Nathaniel_Near
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You must be the biggest Nadal nut this forum has to offer. 40 - 45 seconds? Give me a break - wait, don't!
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Nathaniel_Near
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Fair suggestion, I approve.
MichaelNadal
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LOL! I almost spit out my applesauce reading your last line
I envisioned in an instant in my head the crowd cheering after a long point and the umpire just talking loudly over them, "time violation warning Mr. Nadal" lmao.
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monfed
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Fed fans want 20 seconds(which infact is the rule). Nadal fans want 30 seconds(actually they'd prefer a whole minute but let's not go there).
So, 25 seconds it is, We've got ourselves a deal!!!
So, 25 seconds it is, We've got ourselves a deal!!!
Fate Archer
Hall of Fame
I think maybe a 3 strikes rule to be applied combined with the time between points would help umpires to strictly enforce he rules without over penalizing a player or without the need for a shot clock.
If a player goes over the time limit, whether it's 20, 25 or 30 seconds, he gets one strike. Again, second strike. If a third violation occurs, then the player receives a match violation.
Repeat the above scenario for the second time, POINT violation.
This way for a player to be point penalized for the first time he would need to violate the time constraint 6 times.
That's MORE than enough leeway for Mr Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic to play relatively pressure free AND strictly following the rules in their matches.
If a player goes over the time limit, whether it's 20, 25 or 30 seconds, he gets one strike. Again, second strike. If a third violation occurs, then the player receives a match violation.
Repeat the above scenario for the second time, POINT violation.
This way for a player to be point penalized for the first time he would need to violate the time constraint 6 times.
That's MORE than enough leeway for Mr Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic to play relatively pressure free AND strictly following the rules in their matches.
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niff
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Amazing <3
Bartelby
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A shot clock was invented to stop a team in front from endlessly passing the ball, so to use it just to make a server hurry up when there is an umpire there to do that would be bizarre.
The people who run tennis just don't care about enforcing this rule. The umpires themselves are not solely to blame.
The people who run tennis just don't care about enforcing this rule. The umpires themselves are not solely to blame.
Fate Archer
Hall of Fame
This redundancy is similar to the need of the hawkeye in a way.
I mean, why else do we have 6+ line judges in a match?
It's curious how tennis rules are evolving and could possibly evolve even more in a way where the ones responsible for enforcing the rules are delegating increasingly more their authority and responsibility to rule a tennis match.
OddJack
G.O.A.T.
Nadal made it about AO final and the " six hours" where it is almost everytime and everywhere he plays, so that was bull.
Umpires now are gonna give him more warnings.
I have to add that the time violations does not bother me at all, I barely notice them. It's actually not bad for drama if it's on the right time not when Nadal uses it on big points.
It's ok, as far as I am concerned, to take longer after long rallies.
Cheating though is quite a diff matter.
Umpires now are gonna give him more warnings.
I have to add that the time violations does not bother me at all, I barely notice them. It's actually not bad for drama if it's on the right time not when Nadal uses it on big points.
It's ok, as far as I am concerned, to take longer after long rallies.
Cheating though is quite a diff matter.
kragster
Hall of Fame
How about this. How about penalizing a player significant amount of prize money. For e.g. more than 5 violations in a match will result in 50% of money gone. If players playing slow is affecting viewership, then that affects sponsorship money and event money which is what ultimately trickles down to prize money. So it kind of makes sense that if the tournaments start to lose money, the offending player loses money.
Over the course of a year, a player will certainly learn to fix his habits unless he wants it to cost him upto 50% of his yearly earnings.
This way the umpire doesn't even need to get into a confrontation, at the end of the match, the player is simply handed a report that shows him/her how much money he/she was penalized that day.
Over the course of a year, a player will certainly learn to fix his habits unless he wants it to cost him upto 50% of his yearly earnings.
This way the umpire doesn't even need to get into a confrontation, at the end of the match, the player is simply handed a report that shows him/her how much money he/she was penalized that day.
easy for him to accept the violations hes gotten. since hes never gotten any. hes gotten warnings. "oh gee! now they gave me a warning.. that means if i go on like this then.. nothing will happen to me.. what am i gonna do now?"
seriously who cares about a warning? has a warning ever kept someone from smashing their racquet? no one cares until youre given an actual point penalty. thats just common sense.
ive said it before and ill say it again. theres exactly 2 ways of solving this endless debate:
drop the rule alltogether
or
keep it and enforce the damn thing
having it sit there as an official rule but then just ignoring it on court is simply the dumbest way of dealing with this. for as long as it remains like this people who complain will have a valid point and people who do it cant really be blamed. the discussion will never end
seriously who cares about a warning? has a warning ever kept someone from smashing their racquet? no one cares until youre given an actual point penalty. thats just common sense.
ive said it before and ill say it again. theres exactly 2 ways of solving this endless debate:
drop the rule alltogether
or
keep it and enforce the damn thing
having it sit there as an official rule but then just ignoring it on court is simply the dumbest way of dealing with this. for as long as it remains like this people who complain will have a valid point and people who do it cant really be blamed. the discussion will never end
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monfed
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LOL@prize money. These guys could probably tip their prize money away. Whatever.
The irony of this whole thread is that we're actually discussing the pros/cons of a RULE. The rule is what it is, it's the same for every player and it must be enforced(like every other rule). The one's who want a change could always approach the concerned heads.
The irony of this whole thread is that we're actually discussing the pros/cons of a RULE. The rule is what it is, it's the same for every player and it must be enforced(like every other rule). The one's who want a change could always approach the concerned heads.
namelessone
Legend
Of course.
Most of today's tennis = LONG rallies, due to the fact that are courts mostly slow. The 20 second rule was ok for the past when courts where generally faster(or not as slow) but today it's broken so many times that it's not even funny.
It's another cause of what is written in the rulebook and what actually happens oncourt. Both the umps and the players know that players use up more energy today due to the long rally nature of modern tennis and they have a sort of "truce" if you will, you can go over the 20 sec rule, just don't push it. I've rarely seen umps give out time violations when guys stay in the 20-30 second margin. Even Nadal himself, who rarely gets time violations considering how much time wastes, only gets warned when he repeatedly goes towards the 40 second mark or more.
On the courts it's 30 seconds already, they need only make it official.
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namelessone
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A rule is nothing but empty words on a paper unless it's ENFORCED on the actual freaking court. Given the fact that umps are VERY lenient towards timewasters(not just Nadal) I doubt that the 20 second rule is an actual rule but more of a guideline for today's tennis establishment.
Sentinel
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BULLZ1LLA2.0
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It's fun to see Nadal's eccentricities getting to Federer more and more each year
zagor
Bionic Poster
Fed has every right to voice his opinion. No one is above criticism, especially not a player who routinely goes over the time limit rule on his serve.
Fed was wrong many times in his interviews but this is a legitimate criticism.
zagor
Bionic Poster
It's fun to see Nadal's eccentricities getting to Federer more and more each year
Wrong Bullzie, it's quite the opposite, Fed has been more and more complimentary of Nadal as years pass by.
BULLZ1LLA2.0
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Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Did Nadal really bring that 6 hours final into this? :shock:
Yeah, after 4 hours, or even 3 hours I'll agree with his response.
But fool goes over the time limit in the first game of the match. What, he's tired from sprinting to the back of the court for no reason during the warm up?
Yeah, after 4 hours, or even 3 hours I'll agree with his response.
But fool goes over the time limit in the first game of the match. What, he's tired from sprinting to the back of the court for no reason during the warm up?
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Deleted member 21996
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It's a pleasure. the chance to see Nadal for an extra 30 seconds just for toweling and rituals after an ace is a previlege. we should be thankfull
BULLZ1LLA2.0
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I don't like aces to be honest.
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neither do i. i rather see a 60 looping shot fest mixed in with some savage grunting and lots of time wasting between points. that would give us more time to enjoy the miraculous sight of San Rafael....
BULLZ1LLA2.0
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niff
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I will support Mustard's 45 second rule as long as the ATP hands a free iPad to every tennis fan, to dull the boredom somewhat.
Madrid 09 SF compilation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhF20UKYboA&feature=player_embedded#!
Madrid 09 SF compilation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhF20UKYboA&feature=player_embedded#!
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BULLZ1LLA2.0
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Roland Garros was faster in 2011 than it ever has been, ever. It's faster every year, and the tennis balls are. Federer got more reward for his shots at Roland Garros last year than ever. More than he gets at the AO.
TTMR
Hall of Fame
Oh but you read it a page or two ago: Laver and Rosewall used to cover every square inch of the court, front and back, and were always raring to go within 10 seconds. Players only use more energy today because they are weak nancy boys/untalented hardworking hacks afraid to go for a winner. Surfaces, racquet technology, advances in technique and fitness/nutrition are irrelevant. 20 seconds or get out. Rules are rules are rules, and they are always right because they are rules, even when they are altered or abolished. Just like every law enacted by every government in history is right, because it's the law.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
then just bring back faster surfaces... it's that simple !
every second of watching the rusty peak injured golden bull is a blessing for your eyes.
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Deleted member 21996
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That is the reaon why i would not mind San Rafael to be shot. clocked...? not so much!
tennis_pro
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We don't need to change the rules. All we need is 1 umpire to finally stand up and have the courage to hand some point penalties from time to time. I'm sure that will wake everyone up.
Sentinel
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That's so shameless of you.Are you bringing in namelessness into this?
BULLZ1LLA2.0
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SLD76
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cant see your pic my man.
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Deleted member 21996
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it's the .gif of a quick brown fox jumping over a lazy dog....
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
^^Lol I get it.
sunof tennis
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Brilliant!!!
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aprilfool
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Thank you, Rafa
For responding to my query in the Federer thread.
And kudos to your PR team as well, who have a formidable presence here and perform admirably.
The Fool
For responding to my query in the Federer thread.
And kudos to your PR team as well, who have a formidable presence here and perform admirably.
The Fool
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