Roger Federer: ‘People still ask me about that Novak Djokovic defeat at Wimbledon’

I Am Finnish

Bionic Poster
This picture tells a story. Federer is going down. The finger ladies know it. All the smug wiped off their faces. The crowd know it. Look at their expressions. That's what Novak had to endure for 5 hours. Wimbledon's darkest day. The British reputation for fair play shredded.

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The finger lady was like damn you Djokovic
 

Thriller

Hall of Fame
The finger lady was like damn you Djokovic
She looks like she is chewing a wasp. :-D
I like the lady sitting in front of her who looks like the only Djokovic fan in the frame. Had to listen to that awful crowd for 5 hours and her boy is about to pull through. Good for her.
What's the betting that the saddo in the second row wearing a white shirt that seems to be made of Federer photos is a forum member? I should have run a poll.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
This picture tells a story. Federer is going down. The finger ladies know it. All the smug wiped off their faces. The crowd know it. Look at their expressions. That's what Novak had to endure for 5 hours. Wimbledon's darkest day. The British reputation for fair play shredded.

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Well spotted.
I wonder if anyone has managed to find the lady (or any of them) online.
It would be cool if she knew what a meme she became.
 

Mediterranean Might

Professional
You have to admit there's a lot of symbolic stuff going on in that picture - the fact she's a fan of the "establishment" player, her Ralph Lauren shirt, the fact she's watching a Wimbledon final live, the way she makes the gesture - which, while in reality she could indeed be the sweetest and most humble person in the world, do not work in her favour in this specific context. It's just one of those things: while it might be true that she's just "a tennis fan excited that her idol is close to winning a big match", it is also true that most people (even Federer fans) understand exactly what the picture conveys and represents without having to think too much about it. It's one of those things you can't really fight, like the fact Federer is beloved around the world - not because you can prove certain things about him, but because he's perceived in a way that, frankly, goes beyond the man. The photograph also goes beyond the lady herself.
Eloquently said - great post. You put into words better than anyone else I've seen what makes that image so memorable
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Well, the thing is that you don't know him, nor do I. Nor does anyone else not in his family, his training group or part of his group of personal friends. We only know what the press tells us, or what he allows us to know.
Good point. I only know the image of Federer that he allows the public to see.
 

Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
Good point. I only know the image of Federer that he allows the public to see.
He is very carefully managed, including by his wife. There is nothing wrong with that, but what we see and hear is very carefully controlled. Nadal is by nature careful. He says nothing controversial. Novak, for better or worse, seems to be more candid.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
He is very carefully managed, including by his wife. There is nothing wrong with that, but what we see and hear is very carefully controlled. Nadal is by nature careful. He says nothing controversial. Novak, for better or worse, seems to be more candid.
Based on what Fed used to say and do before he was big (when presumably he didn't need to carefully control his image), I'm pretty sure his actual personality off the court is just as PR-friendly as we see on camera.
 

Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
Based on what Fed used to say and do before he was big (when presumably he didn't need to carefully control his image), I'm pretty sure his actual personality off the court is just as PR-friendly as we see on camera.
When he was still winning big he always seemed relaxed and friendly when interviewed. But that's still a public mask. He could be a lot like that in private, but maybe not.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
When he was still winning big he always seemed relaxed and friendly when interviewed. But that's still a public mask. He could be a lot like that in private, but maybe not.

Read what his juniors trainer, Paul Dorochenko, said about about him; "He's a manufactured champion; he's not like that in real life".
 

Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
Read what his juniors trainer, Paul Dorochenko, said about about him; "He's a manufactured champion; he's not like that in real life".
I don't trust that guy because he's talking about an almost 40 year old father of children and comparing him to what he was like as a young guy. Don't know how old you are, but at 40 I was not much like the person I was at 20.
 
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terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
I don't trust that guy because he's talking about an almost 40 year old father of of children and comparing him to what he as like as a young guy. Don't know how old you are, but at 40 I was not much like the person I was at 20.

"- The truth is that he was a very complicated boy, with character, hyperactive, he was half crazy and he is still private. "
 

ChrisRF

Legend
I don't trust that guy because he's talking about an almost 40 year old father of of children and comparing him to what he as like as a young guy. Don't know how old you are, but at 40 I was not much like the person I was at 20.
But isn’t that often rather due to being being tired of having stress with the surroundings who have certain expectations for behaviour/style at a certain age?

For example up to 20 I was openly rebellious against society in many things, now in my mid-30s I’m the same person but more from the inside.

In terms of clothes today I would still like to go everywhere in t-shirt and shorts or jogging pants, but back then I really did it. Not because of any “style”, but because I only care for comfort.

With Federer for example I still think he doesn’t really care about clothes and fashion. He does it for sponsorship contracts, for a certain image and out of expectations when being with his celebrity “friends”. Remember back then he seemed to be a complete anti-fashion guy and was called the most "un-Hollywood-like" #1 even in the mid-2000s.
 

Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
But isn’t that often rather due to being being tired of having stress with the surroundings who have certain expectations for behaviour/style at a certain age?
That may be what you are talking about. I'm talking about flat out saying and doing stupid things at 20. Thinking I knew things but didn't. Blowing up over small things, not listening well and often being a pure jackass because I thought I knew more than I did. And at 20 I was mostly only thinking about myself. When you have kids you will sacrifice almost anything to make sure they are OK.
For example up to 20 I was openly rebellious against society in many things, now in my mid-30s I’m the same person but more from the inside.
I'm way more rebellious now at nearly age 73. I just don't talk about it except with people who are interested. :)
In terms of clothes today I would still like to go everywhere in t-shirt and shorts or jogging pants, but back then I really did it. Not because of any “style”, but because I only care for comfort.
I have not worn a suit for decades. I never wear anything other than a light shirt, jeans or shorts and running shoes, when I'm not barefoot.
With Federer for example I still think he doesn’t really care about clothes and fashion. He does it for sponsorship contracts, for a certain image and out of expectations when being with his celebrity “friends”. Remember back then he seemed to be a complete anti-fashion guy and was called the most "un-Hollywood-like" #1 even in the mid-2000s.
I don't know, although he seems pretty low key off a tennis court. In many ways he has almost seemed a bit nerdy when not playing tennis. I rather like that about him. :)
 
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Jonas78

Legend
I don't trust that guy because he's talking about an almost 40 year old father of of children and comparing him to what he as like as a young guy. Don't know how old you are, but at 40 I was not much like the person I was at 20.
Are you trying to say there are more important things in life than winning tennis tournaments?!?
 

Jonas78

Legend
But isn’t that often rather due to being being tired of having stress with the surroundings who have certain expectations for behaviour/style at a certain age?

For example up to 20 I was openly rebellious against society in many things, now in my mid-30s I’m the same person but more from the inside.

In terms of clothes today I would still like to go everywhere in t-shirt and shorts or jogging pants, but back then I really did it. Not because of any “style”, but because I only care for comfort.

With Federer for example I still think he doesn’t really care about clothes and fashion. He does it for sponsorship contracts, for a certain image and out of expectations when being with his celebrity “friends”. Remember back then he seemed to be a complete anti-fashion guy and was called the most "un-Hollywood-like" #1 even in the mid-2000s.
20 and 40 for me is totally different. I mean, the average 20y old thinks a delayed plane or a missed party is the end of the world. I get embarrassed thinking about what kind of small things could blow me up at 20. Roger is a smart man, he knows how lucky he is in life compared to 99.99% of the worlds population.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
20 and 40 for me is totally different. I mean, the average 20y old thinks a delayed plane or a missed party is the end of the world. I get embarrassed thinking about what kind of small things could blow me up at 20. Roger is a smart man, he knows how lucky he is in life compared to 99.99% of the worlds population.
Yeah, maybe I cannot talk in general here, because I never was a mainstream guy and parties never played a role in my life. I was never disappointed when I missed just “taking part” somewhere.

I was very headstrong and wanted to have my own schedule with just a few but very good friends in my free time. Therefore I also never had anything to do with short-living trends.

In my youth what happened in school and what happened in the afternoon were almost two different worlds for me. I just wasn’t into the stuff that was important for others. For example unlike most others at no age I cared about celebrating “masculinity” or such things.

However, I think I always was a good observer of everything that happened.
 
I think Roger is going to have to get used to people talking about 40-15, for ever. As the years go by, and Djokovic sweeps up all of Federer's records, it may become the thing people remember most from his time in the game. That and the 2008 defeat to Nadal.

It's a bit like McEnroe and the 1980 tiebreak. He will forever be linked to that final, and constantly asked about it. Even though he lost it. It must be difficult for such proud champions to be chiefly remembered for matches they lost.
 

alinefx

Rookie
I remember when J. McEnroe came back from his brief "retirement," proclaiming he'd be playing a form of tennis so advanced that ordinary people won't be able to comprehend it. His return did not go well. Would not mind seeing the rebooted Federer fall flat on his iconic face either given his disdain for the hinterlands of the men's tour.

Funny then that he just got up from the couch, 2 knee surgeries and all and reached WB QF lol. Either he’s the most talented tennis player ever ( to the chagrin Of Djokovic fans) or this is the WEAKEST OF THE WEAK ERAS, 10x worse than The “2003-2007”era Djoktrolls love to crow about, but now have to face the Fact that Djokovic is just padding slams on due to this **** weak era where a grandpa can get To QFs of Wimbledon.
 

beard

Legend
20 and 40 for me is totally different. I mean, the average 20y old thinks a delayed plane or a missed party is the end of the world. I get embarrassed thinking about what kind of small things could blow me up at 20. Roger is a smart man, he knows how lucky he is in life compared to 99.99% of the worlds population.
That's probably true... But, you and me don't know how his professional life is important for him... I am sure that he is extremely competitive, same as Novak and Rafa. Without that he wouldn't be so successful... Maybe, if he finishes 3rd, that will be very devastating for him (not suicide mode). He has all money he needs, he has 4 beautiful children, but is that enought for him? I mean, there are people who's most important thing in the world is success at work (I have colleagues of this kind)...

My point... Money, family, popularity... It's not enough for some people if they think they failed at something very important to them... And yes, Fed failed at his ultimate goal, and yes tennis is extremely important for him...

I really hope it's not the case, just want to put accent to that possibility...
 

Krish0608

G.O.A.T.
I think Roger is going to have to get used to people talking about 40-15, for ever. As the years go by, and Djokovic sweeps up all of Federer's records, it may become the thing people remember most from his time in the game. That and the 2008 defeat to Nadal.

It's a bit like McEnroe and the 1980 tiebreak. He will forever be linked to that final, and constantly asked about it. Even though he lost it. It must be difficult for such proud champions to be chiefly remembered for matches they lost.
Yeah, if you’re probably talking to haters like you who probably started watching tennis from 2008.
 

Jonas78

Legend
That's probably true... But, you and me don't know how his professional life is important for him... I am sure that he is extremely competitive, same as Novak and Rafa. Without that he wouldn't be so successful... Maybe, if he finishes 3rd, that will be very devastating for him (not suicide mode). He has all money he needs, he has 4 beautiful children, but is that enought for him? I mean, there are people who's most important thing in the world is success at work (I have colleagues of this kind)...

My point... Money, family, popularity... It's not enough for some people if they think they failed at something very important to them... And yes, Fed failed at his ultimate goal, and yes tennis is extremely important for him...

I really hope it's not the case, just want to put accent to that possibility...
I doubt very much Roger is as childish as some of the posters on this forum.

I dont know where you are going but every pro tennis player is competetive (maybe except Kyrgios). So if Djokovic gets to 25 slams then every tennis player through history is a failure?? Do you think Murray considers his career a failure? Every athlete knows their records will be broken, Djokovic will too, its just a matter of time. Sampras was Federers goal as a a young player and he even reached gis goal. Sampras goal before that was to beat the existing slam record. Fed has said everything after that is a bonus, and he plays because he loves it. I believe him, and again, i dont think he would get that far if his thoughts of the matter was as childish as some of the ttw posters.
 

beard

Legend
I doubt very much Roger is as childish as some of the posters on this forum.

I dont know where you are going but every pro tennis player is competetive (maybe except Kyrgios). So if Djokovic gets to 25 slams then every tennis player through history is a failure?? Do you think Murray considers his career a failure? Every athlete knows their records will be broken, Djokovic will too, its just a matter of time. Sampras was Federers goal as a a young player and he even reached gis goal. Sampras goal before that was to beat the existing slam record. Fed has said everything after that is a bonus, and he plays because he loves it. I believe him, and again, i dont think he would get that far if his thoughts of the matter was as childish as some of the ttw posters.
You compare yourself to self equals...

Do you think Gates compare him self with you or me? No, no...

Fed's equals are Nadal and Novak... He competes with them, the rest are not important at all... Once he competed with Sampras, not any more... So, if you compete for years with two guys and finish 3rd, especially if you had big lead all the time, it can be quite devastating...

Murray competed with big 3 quite good, but he was below them all the time, he is in his own league and can satisfied, or maybe he isn't, we can't know...

Zverev, Med, Tsi, Sha, are in their own league and basically can compare to each other, and be successful or failure within that group...

Same for me at my job, I compare myself with about equals and have feeling of success or failure (little failure at the moment to be honest, but hope and work for better in near future)...

And at the top of my firm there are guys competing between them, and I know some that are very unhappy in life because of that "failure" although they are more successful than me.

In few words, success is relative category...
 

Jonas78

Legend
You compare yourself to self equals...

Do you think Gates compare him self with you or me? No, no...

Fed's equals are Nadal and Novak... He competes with them, the rest are not important at all... Once he competed with Sampras, not any more... So, if you compete for years with two guys and finish 3rd, especially if you had big lead all the time, it can be quite devastating...

Murray competed with big 3 quite good, but he was below them all the time, he is in his own league and can satisfied, or maybe he isn't, we can't know...

Zverev, Med, Tsi, Sha, are in their own league and basically can compare to each other, and be successful or failure within that group...

Same for me at my job, I compare myself with about equals and have feeling of success or failure (little failure at the moment to be honest, but hope and work for better in near future)...

And at the top of my firm there are guys competing between them, and I know some that are very unhappy in life because of that "failure" although they are more successful than me.

In few words, success is relative category...
Well it probably make some posters here glad to think Roger is crying himself to sleep every night. I doubt he does, but if the thought helps someone, thats fine with me. I think its a little bit (or more) childish, but ok :)

If you think Roger is lying thats ok, but its just speculation. Anyway - Djokovic hadnt won his second slam when Federer had already beaten Sampras record, so i doubt very much Djokovic was in Rogers mind back in the early 2000s when he set his goals. I do think though, as with Sampras, Roger didnt think two players would already tie him, but thats part of the game:)
 
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Terry Tibbs

Hall of Fame
So you have just served 2 aces to get to championship point. Then promptly lose 7 points in a row very tamely, 4 in a row on your own serve, (the Roger Federer serve, on grass!) ... it didn't take you an hour to get over that Rog, it took you an hour to locate total denial. lol

exactly. Absolute bull that he got over that loss in an hour. It wasn't just an ordinary loss for so many reasons. Unless he is inhuman, it would have stung for a long time.
 

beard

Legend
Well it probably make some posters here glad to think Roger is crying himself to sleep every night. I doubt he does, but if the thought helps someone, thats fine with me. I think its a little bit (or more) childish, but ok :)

If you think Roger is lying thats ok, but its just speculation. Anyway - Djokovic hadnt won his second slam when Federer had already beaten Sampras record, so i doubt very much Djokovic was in Rogers mind back in the early 2000s when he set his goals. I do think though, as with Sampras, Roger didnt think two players would already tie him, but thats part of the game:)
Why should I be glad if he is unhappy? I just pointed that money and popularity doesn't garant happiness... No way, rich and popular are as unhappy and depressed as rest of us, common people...

And money and popularity became main argument left to Fed's fans, lol...
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
I think Federer would've lost to Nadal in 2010 and 2011.

In the end, Nadal was most affected by Federer's 2011's 40-15 failure. He would've beaten Federer in the final, would be sole owner of the slam record at 21, and would be looking to become a 6-time champion at the USO.

Or Fed is on 21 with a 1-0 USO record against Nadal. I fail to see how Fed wouldn't have won that match but betting odds would have surely been 50-50 considering how Fed lost to Nadal at the French and would have beaten the YE #1 again in the semis but this time on a much favoured surface.
 

Jonas78

Legend
Why should I be glad if he is unhappy? I just pointed that money and popularity doesn't garant happiness... No way, rich and popular are as unhappy and depressed as rest of us, common people...

And money and popularity became main argument left to Fed's fans, lol...
Didnt mean you ;). I see your point, and people are different. A lot also has to do with age i think. Im 3 years older than Fed, and im a different person now than when i was 20. When youre young you think a delayed plane or a missed party is the end of the world. When you get older and have kids you grow up and see whats important in life; good health, happy healthy kids etc. I mean, its just tennis, it isnt cancer, war or starving.

As for being a Fed-fan im grateful for all the good moments. I like tennis and all this Fedalovic stuff is part of the fun. If Djokovic getting to 21 REALLY makes you lose your sleep you should either skip watching tennis or travel around the world to see what real problems are.

As for Fed i just have to trust what he says, if he is lying i feel sorry for him, but I dont see the point in speculating. Its a rather foolish thing imo to speculate in if and how much it bothers Fed if Djokovic surpasses him. I mean, who cares what Fed is feeling about it?
 
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duaneeo

Legend
Or Fed is on 21 with a 1-0 USO record against Nadal. I fail to see how Fed wouldn't have won that match but betting odds would have surely been 50-50 considering how Fed lost to Nadal at the French and would have beaten the YE #1 again in the semis but this time on a much favoured surface.

Federer's slam mental block against Nadal was in full force. Considering he failed to serve out 40-15 against Nole in the semis, I surely don't see him beating nemesis Nadal in the final.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Federer's slam mental block against Nadal was in full force. Considering he failed to serve out 40-15 against Nole in the semis, I surely don't see him beating nemesis Nadal in the final.

2009: Fed beats him at Madrid in straights
2010: WTF beat in 3 sets
2011: WTF beats him in straights

I don't see it, especially if Fed finishes Novak in 3.
 

duaneeo

Legend
2009: Fed beats him at Madrid in straights
2010: WTF beat in 3 sets
2011: WTF beats him in straights

2008 RG
2008 WB
2009 AO
2011 RG
2012 AO
2014 AO

I don't think Roger would've squeezed in a slam win had he met Rafa at 2011 USO.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
2008 RG
2008 WB
2009 AO
2011 RG
2012 AO
2014 AO

I don't think Roger would've squeezed in a slam win had he met Rafa at 2011 USO.

2011 French was clay and Fed nearly won that early choking the 1st. Only other match in close proximity was 2012 AO but different HC and doesn't quite eliminate the 2010-2011 WTF matches.
 

bnjkn

Professional
Didnt mean you ;). I see your point, and people are different. A lot also has to do with age i think. Im 3 years older than Fed, and im a different person now than when i was 20. When youre young you think a delayed plane or a missed party is the end of the world. When you get older and have kids you grow up and see whats important in life; good health, happy healthy kids etc. I mean, its just tennis, it isnt cancer, war or starving.

As for being a Fed-fan im grateful for all the good moments. I like tennis and all this Fedalovic stuff is part of the fun. If Djokovic getting to 21 REALLY makes you lose your sleep you should either skip watching tennis or travel around the world to see what real problems are.

As for Fed i just have to trust what he says, if he is lying i feel sorry for him, but I dont see the point in speculating. Its a rather foolish thing imo to speculate in if and how much it bothers Fed if Djokovic surpasses him. I mean, who cares what Fed is feeling about it?
Agreed. Great post. It can sting, but if it devastates him (I don't think it does) I seriously think he should seek some help.
 
2011 French was clay and Fed nearly won that early choking the 1st. Only other match in close proximity was 2012 AO but different HC and doesn't quite eliminate the 2010-2011 WTF matches.
There is absolutely no chance Federer was beating Nadal in the final if he had managed to get there. He was Rafa's whipping boy in the slams at that point.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
There is absolutely no chance Federer was beating Nadal in the final if he had managed to get there. He was Rafa's whipping boy in the slams at that point.

Okay see, that's what people say without backing it up with anything. Fed outside of clay was only really hampered by Nadal in 08-09 where be it mono or mental slump he was still losing in 5 set marathons. The WTF victories I don't think were for nothing.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
Can't imagine the pillow punching Federer does. He would have retired. Now he wants to end without a bitter taste in his mouth without the young body to do it.
Yeah one watch of any his matches this year confirms he’s not enjoying it out there. He only carries on to try salvage one last hurrah to help erase the bitter memories of 40-15 . Probably wakes up screaming “arrgghhhhhh” in the middle of the night, poor guy.
 
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