Sampras says Nadal remains biggest threat to Federer

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7/29/09 10:34 PM | Johan Lindahl
Pete Sampras says that Rafael Nadal's 13-7 career edge over Roger Federer is due to mental toughness.

Though the Spaniard has missed the summer season as he rests his injured knees - a return is expected next month in Montreal - former great Sampras believes that No. 2 Nadal will always be a threat to the Swiss.

"Roger is playing tennis at a time when his opponents mainly all stay back (on the baseline). No one scares him," said the 14-time Grand Slam champion, whose record was broken by Federer with his Wimbledon title over Andy Roddick three weeks ago.

"When I was playing, I was scared when I played (2001 Wimbledon champion) Goran (Ivanisevic) on grass."

Sampras said that Nadal is an exception to the rule. "Nadal concerns Roger, he's one guy who will always be mentally strong. he moves well and can hang with Roger - it freaked him (Federer) out in Australia (where Nadal won the title)."

The now-retired Sampras called Nadal-Federer matches "two legends playing at the same time."

Added Sampras: "But Roger needs to figure Nadal out in the next few years." The Swiss won their last meeting in the final of Madrid on clay in May.
 

thejoe

Hall of Fame
Who cares? What Sampras has to say no longer matters. It makes him look silly to keep on raising the bar to preserve his own legacy. He seems to think of himself as this oracle, spouting tennis law.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Sampras seems to be terribly underestimating Roger's ability to adjust his game.
I respect his opinion but I dont agree with him.
 
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7/29/09 10:34 PM | Johan Lindahl
Pete Sampras says that Rafael Nadal's 13-7 career edge over Roger Federer is due to mental toughness.

Though the Spaniard has missed the summer season as he rests his injured knees - a return is expected next month in Montreal - former great Sampras believes that No. 2 Nadal will always be a threat to the Swiss.

"Roger is playing tennis at a time when his opponents mainly all stay back (on the baseline). No one scares him," said the 14-time Grand Slam champion, whose record was broken by Federer with his Wimbledon title over Andy Roddick three weeks ago.

"When I was playing, I was scared when I played (2001 Wimbledon champion) Goran (Ivanisevic) on grass."

Sampras said that Nadal is an exception to the rule. "Nadal concerns Roger, he's one guy who will always be mentally strong. he moves well and can hang with Roger - it freaked him (Federer) out in Australia (where Nadal won the title)."

The now-retired Sampras called Nadal-Federer matches "two legends playing at the same time."

Added Sampras: "But Roger needs to figure Nadal out in the next few years." The Swiss won their last meeting in the final of Madrid on clay in May.

Move the bar much Pete? Besides, Federer has already figured out Nadal, as demonstrated in Madrid. Hit to Nadal's weaker side as Nadal does to Federer and keep him stifled with the threat of the impending perfect drop shot.
 

Rippy

Hall of Fame
I think people are getting a bit too offended at Sampras. I mean he hardly said Federer was a disgrace, did he? I think what he's saying is largely true.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
He is right about nadal being federer's biggest threat, although he kind of makes it sound like some kind of revelation. I think we've known for that a few years now.
 

Turning Pro

Hall of Fame
Move the bar much Pete? Besides, Federer has already figured out Nadal, as demonstrated in Madrid. Hit to Nadal's weaker side as Nadal does to Federer and keep him stifled with the threat of the impending perfect drop shot.

In GS's it's 6-2, and beaten him on every surface, what can roger say about beating Nadal in gs and finals for that matter? Nadal will NEVER figure out Fed, he didn't at his peak never mind now....... :)

BTW Nadal's bh side will always be stronger than feds bh side.
 
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sdont

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7/29/09 10:34 PM | Johan Lindahl
Pete Sampras says that Rafael Nadal's 13-7 career edge over Roger Federer is due to mental toughness.

Though the Spaniard has missed the summer season as he rests his injured knees - a return is expected next month in Montreal - former great Sampras believes that No. 2 Nadal will always be a threat to the Swiss.

"Roger is playing tennis at a time when his opponents mainly all stay back (on the baseline). No one scares him," said the 14-time Grand Slam champion, whose record was broken by Federer with his Wimbledon title over Andy Roddick three weeks ago.

"When I was playing, I was scared when I played (2001 Wimbledon champion) Goran (Ivanisevic) on grass."

Sampras said that Nadal is an exception to the rule. "Nadal concerns Roger, he's one guy who will always be mentally strong. he moves well and can hang with Roger - it freaked him (Federer) out in Australia (where Nadal won the title)."

The now-retired Sampras called Nadal-Federer matches "two legends playing at the same time."

Added Sampras: "But Roger needs to figure Nadal out in the next few years." The Swiss won their last meeting in the final of Madrid on clay in May.

Contradiction much? I wouldn't consider Nadal a S&V or any other guy he has had trouble against (Murray, Simon). Nadal isn't really the exception.

We saw at W how scared Roger was of S&V (see Karlovic, Haas). Pete's nostalgia of his own good days impairs his judgment. He must have had dreams of beating Roger at W lately. He wishes he would be there instead of Nadal to give Roger a hard time, but he can't. And he blames it on other players. You can't really blame him, he's human. And he's wrong.
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

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7/29/09 10:34 PM | Johan Lindahl
Pete Sampras says that Rafael Nadal's 13-7 career edge over Roger Federer is due to mental toughness.

Though the Spaniard has missed the summer season as he rests his injured knees - a return is expected next month in Montreal - former great Sampras believes that No. 2 Nadal will always be a threat to the Swiss.

"Roger is playing tennis at a time when his opponents mainly all stay back (on the baseline). No one scares him," said the 14-time Grand Slam champion, whose record was broken by Federer with his Wimbledon title over Andy Roddick three weeks ago.

"When I was playing, I was scared when I played (2001 Wimbledon champion) Goran (Ivanisevic) on grass."

Sampras said that Nadal is an exception to the rule. "Nadal concerns Roger, he's one guy who will always be mentally strong. he moves well and can hang with Roger - it freaked him (Federer) out in Australia (where Nadal won the title)."

The now-retired Sampras called Nadal-Federer matches "two legends playing at the same time."

Added Sampras: "But Roger needs to figure Nadal out in the next few years." The Swiss won their last meeting in the final of Madrid on clay in May.

Seriously, Sampras needs to stfu right now, he is becoming pathetic. Sampras was a fantastic player but he is not almighty God but i guess hes gonna talk **** like this as long as there is someone listening.
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

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Pete said today has a lot of good players but not many great ones a few years ago.
Im sure he did, but i dont understand why Pete feels the need to "tell it like it is"?(according to him) No Pete, we havent forgotten about you, we never will, but u r 37 years old and retired since 7 years...now go rest and be with your wife and kids.
 

Blinkism

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Pete's bitter.

What's funny is that he's basically responsible for this whole "Slam Count matters" mentality. Before him, the slam count was unimportant and not the measure of the GOAT.
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

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Pete's bitter.

What's funny is that he's basically responsible for this whole "Slam Count matters" mentality. Before him, the slam count was unimportant and not the measure of the GOAT.
You are absolutely right, he was the one who brought it up.
 

Lifted

Semi-Pro
Originally Posted by Turning Pro
Nadal will NEVER figure out Nadal


In GS's it's 6-2, and beaten him on every surface, what can roger say about beating Nadal in gs and finals for that matter? Nadal will NEVER figure out Fed, he didn't at his peak never mind now....... :)

BTW Nadal's bh side will always be stronger than feds bh side.

*Sigh*...troll correctly, please.
 

deltox

Hall of Fame
as sad as it really is, Sampras does seem bitter about his slam record being broken. Hes totally speaking out WAYYY to much to not have a grudge.


I cant believe a champion would belittle the man who beat his record so much.

You never heard mark mcgwire say "hey, Barry Bonds is a steroid freak"

Pete should just shut up awhile and let things settle. Hes probably being baited into these questions, but he is foolish for even answering them in such a manner. HE should take some lessons from Nadals interviews on such topics.
 

fed_rulz

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7/29/09 10:34 PM | Johan Lindahl
Pete Sampras says that Rafael Nadal's 13-7 career edge over Roger Federer is due to mental toughness.

Though the Spaniard has missed the summer season as he rests his injured knees - a return is expected next month in Montreal - former great Sampras believes that No. 2 Nadal will always be a threat to the Swiss.

"Roger is playing tennis at a time when his opponents mainly all stay back (on the baseline). No one scares him," said the 14-time Grand Slam champion, whose record was broken by Federer with his Wimbledon title over Andy Roddick three weeks ago.

"When I was playing, I was scared when I played (2001 Wimbledon champion) Goran (Ivanisevic) on grass."

Sampras said that Nadal is an exception to the rule. "Nadal concerns Roger, he's one guy who will always be mentally strong. he moves well and can hang with Roger - it freaked him (Federer) out in Australia (where Nadal won the title)."

The now-retired Sampras called Nadal-Federer matches "two legends playing at the same time."

Added Sampras: "But Roger needs to figure Nadal out in the next few years." The Swiss won their last meeting in the final of Madrid on clay in May.

Pete sounds bitter. He seems to imply Fed would be scared of S & V, as Pete himself was against Goran on grass.

Err.. Pete, may be Fed has too many tools at his disposal (that you never possessed) to be scared of S & V? Get over it.

I'd appreciate pete a lot better if he just gave his opinion without drawing a parallel to something (playing style, players, etc.) in his tennis career. they are both different, so his parallels do not provide any additional info, except for making him sound more bitter than he actually is.
 

GameSampras

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Because Pete is telling it the way it is, he is bitter? Most everyone DOES live at the baseline.. Everyone outside of Nadal DOESNT really scare Fed. Nadal does.. Its obvious as the light of day. Youre telling me Roger wasnt happy he didnt have to deal with a peak healthy nadal at the French and Wimbeldon? Please


Pete cant talk about the current state of tennis when asked or the biggest rival today in tennis without seeming bitter?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Fact is, Fed cannot win when Nadal is around. We just have to accept it. Lucky for Fed that Nadal was not fit when he won the French and Wimbledon, or it would never have happened.
 

Rippy

Hall of Fame
Fact is, Fed cannot win when Nadal is around. We just have to accept it. Lucky for Fed that Nadal was not fit when he won the French and Wimbledon, or it would never have happened.

Was Nadal injured in Madrid? Or what about US Open 2008? Or even Roland Garros 2009 (Nadal shouldn't have played if he wasn't fit)?
 
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PimpMyGame

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Because Pete is telling it the way it is, he is bitter? Most everyone DOES live at the baseline.. Everyone outside of Nadal DOESNT really scare Fed. Nadal does.. Its obvious as the light of day. Youre telling me Roger wasnt happy he didnt have to deal with a peak healthy nadal at the French and Wimbeldon? Please


Pete cant talk about the current state of tennis when asked or the biggest rival today in tennis without seeming bitter?

I don't think there's anything bitter about this Sampras quote (unlike one recent other) but what he says is so bloody obvious. Why say it? When he's not sounding bitter he's sounding stupid.
 
Because Pete is telling it the way it is, he is bitter? Most everyone DOES live at the baseline.. Everyone outside of Nadal DOESNT really scare Fed. Nadal does.. Its obvious as the light of day. Youre telling me Roger wasnt happy he didnt have to deal with a peak healthy nadal at the French and Wimbeldon? Please


Pete cant talk about the current state of tennis when asked or the biggest rival today in tennis without seeming bitter?

Pete comes of as the Czar of tennis or something, and Roger can't be labeled as a Great of all time until HE (Pete) says so. He comes off as....ARROGANT.
 
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AprilFool

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Fact is, Fed cannot win when Nadal is around. We just have to accept it. Lucky for Fed that Nadal was not fit when he won the French and Wimbledon, or it would never have happened.

I disagree. And if Nadal had played Roddick in the final, he would have lost.
 

Chadwixx

Banned
Lucky for Fed that Nadal was not fit when he won the French and Wimbledon, or it would never have happened.

He was fit the day before when he beat hewitt...

Pete needs to give it a rest, he is reguarded as a top 5 of all time, but is tarnishing his legacy. Take notes from laver on how to be a champion.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
He was fit the day before when he beat hewitt...

Pete needs to give it a rest, he is reguarded as a top 5 of all time, but is tarnishing his legacy. Take notes from laver on how to be a champion.

Well I think Sampras as a veteran is more with it than Borg who I used to think was the greatest. I never quite know which corner Borg will favour next
 

FiveO

Hall of Fame
Again alot of people are reacting, over-reacting to questions being framed to Sampras. What do you envision going on here? Sampras calling a press conference to discuss Federer? No guys/gals. He is in front of the press to promote the exo's he's currently participating in. They are asking the questions.

And this "author" Johan Lindahl, has already demonstrated his journalistic abilities, when he took this interview:

Sampras Says Nadal Challenges Federer's GOAT Claim
By Raymond Lee
Tuesday, July 14, 2009

Sampras: Do I think I could have beaten Roger in my prime? Sure, I don't think anyine could beat me in my prime on grass. From his prominent perch in the Royal Box behind a pair of stylish shades, Pete Sampras joined Hall of Famers Rod Laver, Bjorn Borg and Manolo Santana in watching Roger Federer break the Grand Slam record they shared.

The second-seeded Federer withstood an inspired Andy Roddick rally in the fourth set, then scored his sole service break in the last game to earn a dramatic 5-7, 7-6(6), 7-6(5), 3-6, 16-14 triumph to regain the Wimbledon championship, recapture the World No. 1 ranking and re-write tennis history in stirring style. After the match, Sampras and John McEnroe were among the former champions who dubbed Federer with the mythical Greatest of All Time title.

"I have to give it to him," Sampras said after the record-breaking 77-game final. "The critics say Laver. And (Rafael) Nadal has beaten him a few times at majors. He's won all the majors, he's won 15 now, he's going to win a few more here. So in my book he is (the GOAT)."

Yet, Sampras concedes there is one player who threatens the Federer's status as GOAT — Rafael Nadal. The World No. 2 owns a 13-7 career record vs. Federer, including three consecutive wins in major finals.

In a conference call with the media today to promote his exhibition match against Marat Safin on July 27 at UCLA on opening night of the L.A. Tennis Open, Sampras conceded the quandary Federer faces is that while many champions have named the Swiss stylist the Greatest Of All Time, you can make a clear the case he is not even the best of this time.

Skeptics point to Nadal's mastery of Federer in their head-to-head series and the fact Nadal has won six of their eight meetings in major finals — including victories on three different surfaces in the Australian Open final, Roland Garros final and Wimbledon final — as a sign the strong-willed Spaniard has the World No. 1's number.

While Sampras himself has bestowed the GOAT on Federer, he suggested today Federer must find a way to beat Nadal consistently in order to truly be called the GOAT.

"Tough question to answer. I do understand the argument as being the best ever you have to be the best of your generation and he has come up short against Nadal," Sampras said. "I can see the point and it's hard to answer it. It's not done yet. Roger's careeer isn't done yet and he has to beat (Nadal) and he's got to beat him in the final of majors. In my book he is (the greatest of all time), but he has to figure this kid out. He has to beat him. You've gotta be the man of your generation. Roger certainly is the man of his generation, but he's got to figure out how to beat Nadal."

Federer can play shots that only a tennis genius can produce. While Federer's brilliance is undeniable, his losing streak to Nadal makes me wonder: was his genius magnified by the fact he was playing people like Hewitt and Roddick in major finals who could not take advantage of his vulnerabilities the way Rafael Nadal can?

That's one of the challenges of rating players beyond their generation as I did in statistically examining the greatest players of all time: Federer is unquestionably a great champion, but was his dominance due in part to the fact that there was no one to push him except Nadal?

Sampras, for example, had Andre Agassi at his best (at least most years), Boris Becker, Jim Courier, Stefan Edberg, Gustavo Kuerten, Richard Krajicek, Michael Stich, Goran Ivanisevic, Michael Chang, Marcelo Rios, Ivan Lendl, Petr Korda and Thomas Muster.

It seems to me that the competition was a lot stronger than the competition Federer has played over the years. Now I think it's changing with Nadal pursuing his own career Grand Slam and Andy Murray, Novak Djokovic and Roddick all improving. Federer's foes in the top four are all quick and Nadal, Murray and Djokovic all have better backhands.

Sampras and Andre Agassi are two of the greatest Grand Slam champions of all time and over the years their riveting rivalry has produced some timeless tennis — and tireless debate among fans over which will own the more prominent place in history.

The archrivals began the 2002 U.S. Open as the two oldest seeded players in the draw and concluded it with a climactic clash that saw Sampras capture his 14th and final career Grand Slam crown with a 6-3, 6-4, 5-7, 6-4 victory over archrival Agassi. It was the 34th and final professional meeting between the old rivals with Sampras holding a 20-14 career edge.

Recalling his rivalry with Agassi, Sampras said if Agassi had led their head-to-head series, it would have caused the 14-time Grand Slam champion to question his own status as his generation's top player.

"It would bother me if I had a losing record against Andre in majors," Sampras said. "Does it mean I was the greatest or not the greatest? The greatest of all time is (a label) we want to pin it on someone. With the numbers you have to give it to Roger; with (Federer's) record against Nadal you might not give it to him. If I was 7-13 against Andre it would be hard to say I was the best of my generation. It's hard to give a definitive answer when he's not done yet. Roger knows he has to figure out this kid, but it's a tough match up. Nadal is one of the few guys who believes he is better than him."

Sampras said he believes Federer's most formidable foe on Wimbledon's Centre Court could be himself — a big server who could bring the heat, attack net and pressure the multi-talented Swiss into hitting shots from defensive positions on court. Laver himself said he would give Sampras the edge on grass over Federer because of Sampras' searing serve and his ability to attack.

"A true serve and volleyer that's willing to come in and put the pressure on him (would be a threat)," Sampras said. "As big as Andy serves I don't think anyone really scares him. I think my game would make him a little bit more uncomfortable. I would obviously come in on both serves and put the pressure on his backhand. Would I beat him? I felt at my best on grass I was unbeatable there. It's a flattering comment (Laver made). Do I think I could have beaten Roger in my prime? Sure, I don't think anyone could beat me in my prime on grass. Roger probably feels unbeatable now. He'd be a tough guy to break, especially if he was hitting 50 aces. It would be a great match up."

http://www.tennisweek.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=6636251
and cut and pasted it into this:
 

fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
Because Pete is telling it the way it is, he is bitter? Most everyone DOES live at the baseline.. Everyone outside of Nadal DOESNT really scare Fed. Nadal does.. Its obvious as the light of day. Youre telling me Roger wasnt happy he didnt have to deal with a peak healthy nadal at the French and Wimbeldon? Please


Pete cant talk about the current state of tennis when asked or the biggest rival today in tennis without seeming bitter?

True, every one DOES live at the baseline. but doesn't mean that S & V is a strategy to scare Fed. there's no evidence to show that attacking the net is a winning strategy against Fed (or for that matter any of the top 10 today).

funny thing is even if nadal did scare Fed, he's by no means remotely anything connected to S & V - so that's why pete's statements are contradictory and sound stupid.

I'm sure Roger was very happy not to have dealt with nadal at FO, but I wouldn't say the same about wimby; if anything, he'd have wanted to wrest his "kingdom" back from nadal.
 

rommil

Legend
7/29/09 10:34 PM | Johan Lindahl
Pete Sampras says that Rafael Nadal's 13-7 career edge over Roger Federer is due to mental toughness.

Though the Spaniard has missed the summer season as he rests his injured knees - a return is expected next month in Montreal - former great Sampras believes that No. 2 Nadal will always be a threat to the Swiss.

"Roger is playing tennis at a time when his opponents mainly all stay back (on the baseline). No one scares him," said the 14-time Grand Slam champion, whose record was broken by Federer with his Wimbledon title over Andy Roddick three weeks ago.

"When I was playing, I was scared when I played (2001 Wimbledon champion) Goran (Ivanisevic) on grass."

Sampras said that Nadal is an exception to the rule. "Nadal concerns Roger, he's one guy who will always be mentally strong. he moves well and can hang with Roger - it freaked him (Federer) out in Australia (where Nadal won the title)."

The now-retired Sampras called Nadal-Federer matches "two legends playing at the same time."

Added Sampras: "But Roger needs to figure Nadal out in the next few years." The Swiss won their last meeting in the final of Madrid on clay in May.
A 3.0 NTRP could have easily made this assessment, I don't know why Sampras is saying this and why is he talking now. He should be thankful Nadal is a bad match up for Federer which made it more exciting, without Nadal Sampras' record could have been buried years ago. I hope Pete is really not bitter because Roger could very well win a couple more titles.
 

FiveO

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Sampras says Federer needs to get on top of Nadal
7/15/09 1:35 PM
Johan Lindahl

Pete Sampras says that Roger Federer must ultimately earn a winning career record against rival Rafael Nadal to be considered the greatest player of all time.

"Roger's career isn't done yet," said the seven-time Wimbledon champion who watched from the Royal Box as Federer defeated Andy Roddick ten days ago at the All-England Club to to win a record 15th Grand Slam singles crown.

"He's going to play Nadal a number of times over the next number of years, and he has to beat him (if he wants) to be considered the greatest ever, certainly in my book."

LA-based Sampras will play Marat Safin next month at the Los Angeles ATP event in an exhibition which recalls the 2000 US Open final, when the young Russian thrashed the reigning king of the courts.

"You have to be the man of your generation and Roger has come up short against Nadal," the American said of Federer's 7-13 mark against the Spaniard, with Nadal winning six of their last seven through to a May final loss in Madrid.

"He has to figure this kid out, he has to beat him," Sampras said of the 27-year-old Federer, French Open and Wimbledon champion this season.

"He's lost to him a number of times, he just has to figure out Nadal."
http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20090715/Sampras_says_Federer_needs_to_get_on_top_of_Nadal

With his apparent writing abilities I wouldn't put it past Lindahl to be basing the article cited in the OP on the same interview, seeing how he changed the context of the first so as to make what Sampras actually said totally unrecognizable.

Unfortunately, Lindahl plays fast and loose with journalistic accuracy. Worse, many here apparently will take his inaccuracies and lack of context and paint the person Lindahl purports himself to be quoting and form opinions regarding the "quoted persons" views and character. Garbage in garbage out. Base opinions on garbage and what do you get?

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rommil

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continued From Post #30


http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20090715/Sampras_says_Federer_needs_to_get_on_top_of_Nadal

With his apparent writing abilities I wouldn't put it past Lindahl to be basing the article cited in the OP on the same interview, seeing how he changed the context of the first so as to make what Sampras actually said totally unrecognizable.

Unfortunately, Lindahl plays fast and loose with journalistic accuracy. Worse, many here apparently will take his inaccuracies and lack of context and paint the person Lindahl purports himself to be quoting and form opinions regarding the "quoted persons" views and character. Garbage in garbage out. Base opinions on garbage and what do you get?

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Fill a garbage can with papers and it doesn't smell. It's when you put dead meat in it. Sampras could have disposed of it properly.
 

The-Champ

Legend
Move the bar much Pete? Besides, Federer has already figured out Nadal, as demonstrated in Madrid. Hit to Nadal's weaker side as Nadal does to Federer and keep him stifled with the threat of the impending perfect drop shot.


yes, he figured him out in 2007 as well, in Hamburg final. We know what happened at the FO that year.
 

GameSampras

Banned
True, every one DOES live at the baseline. but doesn't mean that S & V is a strategy to scare Fed. there's no evidence to show that attacking the net is a winning strategy against Fed (or for that matter any of the top 10 today).

funny thing is even if nadal did scare Fed, he's by no means remotely anything connected to S & V - so that's why pete's statements are contradictory and sound stupid.

I'm sure Roger was very happy not to have dealt with nadal at FO, but I wouldn't say the same about wimby; if anything, he'd have wanted to wrest his "kingdom" back from nadal.


Well there isnt much of evidence today.. But how many legit serve-volley great attackers are there?? I wont even manage Roddick since he isnt one though he tries... But hes pretty lame at it.


I think Nadal scares Fed not just through his topspin exploiting the BH must his mental toughness, clutchness, and never saying never. Thats something the rest of the field really lacks.. Ohh... And also the confidence to beat Fed.
 

Blinkism

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Because Pete is telling it the way it is, he is bitter? Most everyone DOES live at the baseline.. Everyone outside of Nadal DOESNT really scare Fed. Nadal does.. Its obvious as the light of day. Youre telling me Roger wasnt happy he didnt have to deal with a peak healthy nadal at the French and Wimbeldon? Please

Pete cant talk about the current state of tennis when asked or the biggest rival today in tennis without seeming bitter?

It's not about how true or how not true what Pete is saying really is, it's the fact that he keeps changing his story around that makes people say "Oh, that Pete sure is bitter".

You never hear claims of Borg or Laver being bitter. They both know what's up, they're not GOAT and that is clearly Federer.
 

GameSampras

Banned
It's not about how true or how not true what Pete is saying really is, it's the fact that he keeps changing his story around that makes people say "Oh, that Pete sure is bitter".

You never hear claims of Borg or Laver being bitter. They both know what's up, they're not GOAT and that is clearly Federer.



What story does he keep changing around?


He was asked if he thought he could defeat Fed when he was in his prime? And he said yes and stated his case. And I think he would gather some big wins over Fed. Its not really farfetched.


And there is no GOAT, there is no PROVEN greatest to ever play the game that you could sit and state it objectively.. Numbers are just numbers and records are meant to be broken and there many different eras.. But until someone invents a time machine. We will never know
 
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fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
Well there isnt much of evidence today.. But how many legit serve-volley great attackers are there?? I wont even manage Roddick since he isnt one though he tries... But hes pretty lame at it.

Agree with you about no evidence existing today. So, then let's agree that:
1. it's just speculation that S & V would be a successful strategy
2. we can agree that big serves AND attacking players don't scare Fed; it's the grinders that trouble him... ?

On a related note, why do you think that there are no S & V'ers today? Is it because players or not talented enough? And why do you think henman stopped doing it later in his career? you know the answer to this..

So what does pete base his statement on when he says net rushers will scare fed today?
 

Blinkism

Legend
What story does he keep changing around?


He was asked if he thought he could defeat Fed when he was in his prime? And he said yes and stated his case. And I think he would gather some big wins over Fed. Its not really farfetched.


And there is no GOAT, there is no PROVEN greatest to ever player that you could sit and state it objectively.. Numbers are just numbers and records are meant to be broken and there many different eras.. But until someone invents a time machine. We will never know

He comes across as somewhat bitter. You can't blame him, but one day he's just going to have to stop and realize "I'm not the greatest player of all time". It just seems, from reading what he says, that he still believes he is and that's he comes off as bitter.

Maybe he's not, but I can see how people get that from reading interviews with him.
 

GameSampras

Banned
Agree with you about no evidence existing today. So, then let's agree that:
1. it's just speculation that S & V would be a successful strategy
2. we can agree that big serves AND attacking players don't scare Fed; it's the grinders that trouble him... ?

On a related note, why do you think that there are no S & V'ers today? Is it because players or not talented enough? And why do you think henman stopped doing it later in his career? you know the answer to this..

So what does pete base his statement on when he says net rushers will scare fed today?

Hey Rafter did pretty darn good for himself vs. Fed. I know Fed wasnt in his prime.. But we got to see how the matchup may of existed.


Just strictly serve-volleying wont work against Fed. He could figure that out eventually and how to overcome.. But you do have to have multiple facets in your game to back up that serve-volley. Changing tactic perhaps within the match. So Fed doesnt know what is coming
 

fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
Hey Rafter did pretty darn good for himself vs. Fed. I know Fed wasnt in his prime.. But we got to see how the matchup may of existed.


Just strictly serve-volleying wont work against Fed. He could figure that out eventually and how to overcome.. But you do have to have multiple facets in your game to back up that serve-volley. Changing tactic perhaps within the match. So Fed doesnt know what is coming

would you also apply the same reasoning towards Fed & pete based on their match-up on FAST grass?

anyway, i want your opinion on S & V or even attackers on today's surfaces. I have an issue with pete saying S & V (or attackers) would scare Fed on TODAY's surfaces, implying that his style of play could give Fed fits on today. whyistheskyblue made an awesome post about "fire extinguishers" - Fed seems to have the uncanny ability to "extinguish" attackers...
 

Blinkism

Legend
Hey Rafter did pretty darn good for himself vs. Fed. I know Fed wasnt in his prime.. But we got to see how the matchup may of existed.


Just strictly serve-volleying wont work against Fed. He could figure that out eventually and how to overcome.. But you do have to have multiple facets in your game to back up that serve-volley. Changing tactic perhaps within the match. So Fed doesnt know what is coming

First of all, I am hard-pressed to remember any match between Rafter and Federer from memory. I know that Fed's 0-3 against Rafter, but I really can't remember any notable match from these two players.

Anyways, I think you've got to realize that pre-2004 Federer was quite streaky, a choker, and much like Djokovic is these days. Winning the 2004 Australian Open and defending his Wimbledon title really got his act together and that's when his prime starts.

Federer was a grandslam choker before 2003, definitely not in his prime. He had the tools, but he couldn't execute all the time.

I'm of the idea that if prime Rafter and prime Federer played 10 times, the H2H would be 8-2 or 7-3 in Federer's favor.

In the early days Fed did beat S&V'ers. Like you said, it was guys who mixed it up and dominated from the baseline that gave him trouble - like Kafelnikov in 2000.
 

GameSampras

Banned
would you also apply the same reasoning towards Fed & pete based on their match-up on FAST grass?

anyway, i want your opinion on S & V or even attackers on today's surfaces. I have an issue with pete saying S & V (or attackers) would scare Fed on today's surfaces. whyistheskyblue made an awesome post about "fire extinguishers" - Fed seems to have the uncanny ability to "extinguish" attackers...

I dunno... Sampras-Fed didnt really play on fast grass. IT was siginificant slowler in 01 than it was throughout the 90s (though it was faster than it is now).

2001 is when the wimbeldon courts began to slow down and they began sodding it more. There is documented evidence of this.

And its tough to draw any kind of conclusion from that match really.. It went 7-5 in the 5th. Sampras was 30 and his best days were gone, he wasnt in his prime, he went 35-16 for the years but playing pretty well in that match.. Fed wasnt in his prime but he also played extremely well.

Who knows.. Its not definitive proof as how these matches would be played out if both were in their respective prime/peaks
 

T. H. Park

Professional
Because Pete is telling it the way it is, he is bitter? Most everyone DOES live at the baseline.. Everyone outside of Nadal DOESNT really scare Fed. Nadal does.. Its obvious as the light of day. Youre telling me Roger wasnt happy he didnt have to deal with a peak healthy nadal at the French and Wimbeldon? Please


Pete cant talk about the current state of tennis when asked or the biggest rival today in tennis without seeming bitter?

Are you then saying because most of the players were serve and volleying back in the day, that if there had been more baseline players the s&v players would be intimidated? Of course Nadal scares Federer. It's obvious. It's obvious that Federer scares the daylights out of Sampras as well and has beaten him in the only official match at Wimbledon.

Go see the facial expression of Sampras' wife when Federer won at Wimbledon and beat Pete's record. She looked like a very unhappy woman. Yes. A bit bitter for sure, understandable but not very sportsman-like.

Are you telling me that Sampras isn't happy that Federer (or Nadal) at his peak wasn't around when Pete was at his peak? Please ...
 

T. H. Park

Professional
Fact is, Fed cannot win when Nadal is around. We just have to accept it. Lucky for Fed that Nadal was not fit when he won the French and Wimbledon, or it would never have happened.

Luck has nothing to do with it. Nadal wasn't good enough to make it all the way to the finals. And yes, Nadal got beat in his home country, on his favorite surface, in straight sets in Madrid. Nadal said, after that match, that RG 09 is going to be completely different compared to Madrdid. Of course it was not at all that much different.

Having said that, Nadal remains the toughest opponent for Federer. No question about it.
 

GameSampras

Banned
Are you then saying because most of the players were serve and volleying back in the day, that if there had been more baseline players the s&v players would be intimidated? Of course Nadal scares Federer. It's obvious. It's obvious that Federer scares the daylights out of Sampras as well and has beaten him in the only official match at Wimbledon.

Go see the facial expression of Sampras' wife when Federer won at Wimbledon and beat Pete's record. She looked like a very unhappy woman. Yes. A bit bitter for sure, understandable but not very sportsman-like.

Are you telling me that Sampras isn't happy that Federer (or Nadal) at his peak wasn't around when Pete was at his peak? Please ...



Sampras was one accumstomed to rising to challenges, and taking that big match from others when the cards maybe stacked against him.. Look at how personal pete took it when Andre overtook him 99 at the #1 spot.. He put a beatdown on Andre at Wimbeldon and the YEC like no other. He made him look foolish. Pete I think would welcome the challenge more than Fed has with Nadal no doubt.. And pete was asked which era he wished he could have compete in an interview 2 years ago.. His first response was the 00's.

And This is the same Fed who said he wished he was back to the days where he didnt have a rival? He actually said that.

Im sure pete would welcome the challenge of different rivals, moreso than obviously Fed would.
 

P_Agony

Banned
Sampras, just like GameSampras, is bitter about his borken record and is now trying to find ways to discredit Roger.

He is already in contradiction to himself - first he says Fed is the GOAT, then he says Fed cannot be the GOAT until he finds a way to beat Nadal.

If he'd say from the start that he doesn't cosider Fed as the GOAT, I'd have bought that, but he changed his mind more than a couple of times, so bitterness is the only way to explain it.
 
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