Sinner can boot Djokovic from the tournament if he tanks to Rune

[geromino]

If Sinner tanks in straight sets to Rune the positions in their group would be:
1. Rune
2. Sinner
3. Djokovic
4. Hurkacz

And if Sinner loses a 3 setter to Rune the positions would be:
1. Sinner
2. Rune
3. Djokovic
4. Hurkacz

 

[DSH]

"Chicken legs" needs to rest and prepare to win his last two matches this weekend and be the first Italian player to win the ATP Finals.

 

[alexio]

we know

 

[Checkmate]

There you go.

 

[Bastion]

Sinner has a extra day of rest before semis, no need to try and be smart with tanking stuff, and run the risk of losing it all in front of his home crowd.

If you want to be the best, you must think like the best = win it all.

 

[ScottleeSV]

It would be sensible for Sinner to lose but as to whether he will...

I'm sure there was a similar thing with Serena Williams once. Someone had the chance to tank and put her out in the RR (my brain is thinking Halep is the culprit here for some reason). Anyway, quite sure they didn't and Williams battered that same idiot in the final.

 

[Kralingen]

I think there’s a lot of grey area here.

Rewards for a win:
200 ATP Ranking Points (and a possible 1500 if he wins it all)
Hundreds of thousands in prize money
Top of the group, playing the other group’s #2 (likely avoiding Medvedev)
First win over Rune
Continued support of home crowd in Italy
Pride and confidence

Rewards for tanking:
Less risk of injury and fatigue
Knocking Djokovic out of the tournament

What he should do imo is go in playing well and continue his good form, maybe 95% of his best at least for the first set, but if he finds himself a set down or feels a twinge or a bit of fatigue, don’t push it too hard. I don’t think he should just tank it from the get-go, and only let his foot off the gas if the situation requires digging deep.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I think there’s a lot of grey area here.

Rewards for a win:
200 ATP Ranking Points (and a possible 1500 if he wins it all)
Hundreds of thousands in prize money
Top of the group, playing the other group’s #2 (likely avoiding Medvedev)
First win over Rune
Continued support of home crowd in Italy
Pride and confidence

Rewards for tanking:
Less risk of injury and fatigue
Knocking Djokovic out of the tournament

What he should do imo is go in playing well and continue his good form, maybe 95% of his best at least for the first set, but if he finds himself a set down or feels a twinge or a bit of fatigue, don’t push it too hard. I don’t think he should just tank it from the get-go, and moreover, his coaches wouldn’t let him

Wrong.

1500 pts for undefeated champ is no bonus. There are no bonus pts for winning ATP finals undefeated. Every win has it's own pts.

RR 200 per match
Semis 400
Final 500

At max players can win 1500 but there is no bonus pts.

This is misconception

 

[nolefam_2024]

There is bonus prize money though. And it's not small. Undefeated winner get 4.9 million prize money highest ever ever ever in history. But even with 1 loss in RR it reduces to 2.9 million.

There is not hundreds of thousands of difference. It's 2 million. As much as winning a slam. Huge difference. Why would he tank to rune if he can GUN for the 4.9 million.

 

[JFK_32]

Wrong.

1500 pts for undefeated champ is no bonus. There are no bonus pts for winning ATP finals undefeated. Every win has it's own pts.

RR 200 per match
Semis 400
Final 500

At max players can win 1500 but there is no bonus pts.

This is misconception

Funny how everybody this sinner will win this tournament Because he just beat sick djokovic

 

[travlerajm]

Sinner matches up better against Djokovic than he does against his daddy Daniil, so I think he’s better off winning and hoping that Djok eliminates Med in the semis.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Funny how everybody this sinner will win this tournament Because he just beat sick djokovic

Djokovic is not sick.

Sinner is not guaranteed to even beat rune. He can lose today genuinely. He is not unbeatable.

I don't think he is unbeatable. But he has a chance to win 4.9 million. Just a chance. No guarantees.

 

[phl92]

There is bonus prize money though. And it's not small. Undefeated winner get 4.9 million prize money highest ever ever ever in history. But even with 1 loss in RR it reduces to 2.9 million.

There is not hundreds of thousands of difference. It's 2 million. As much as winning a slam. Huge difference. Why would he tank to rune if he can GUN for the 4.9 million.

How so?

 

[top10]

I would like to see one more Djokovic - Siner match @final. I really enjoyed their hitting.
If Siner wants to fully mobilize the home crowd and put doubt in his semi opponent, he needs to go all out and fight tonight.

 

[pirhaksar]

Sinner matches up better against Djokovic than he does against his daddy Daniil, so I think he’s better off winning and hoping that Djok eliminates Med in the semis.

Daddy Daniil…now that’s hilarious

 

[Fabresque]

If Sinner is that concerned about meeting Djokovic in the later rounds he'll for sure tank to knock him out, but realistically I still think he puts in a solid effort to try and win. Home crowd, more prize money, more ranking points, topping the group, etc..

 

[Rozroz]

100% he loses, unless Rune is wounded

 

[DSH]

Daddy Daniil…now that’s hilarious

A H2h that could change in less than two years in favor of the young Italian player.

 

[L4S10s]

obviously it won't be a tank tank, it'll be a one break each set kind of deal

 

[Arak]

You guys with your conspiracy theories. Sinner will not tank any match. If he loses, it won’t be a tank job.

 

[jm1980]

If Sinner tanks in straight sets to Rune the positions in their group would be:
1. Rune
2. Sinner
3. Djokovic
4. Hurkacz

And if Sinner loses a 3 setter to Rune the positions would be:
1. Sinner
2. Rune
3. Djokovic
4. Hurkacz

Sinner would come in 2nd if he loses to Rune, regardless of score. If he loses in 3, the standings would become:

1. Rune: 5-3 sets
2. Sinner: 5-3 sets
3. Djokovic: 5-4 sets

Because Rune and Sinner are tied in sets, the tiebreaker would be their H2H and Rune comes out on top

 

[nolefam_2024]

What would be funniest is if sinner decides to tank and crowd caught it and booed the hell out of him

Then he somehow wins set 2 after a bloodbath

And then still loses in the third.

And got booed out of the stadium.

 

[geromino]

Sinner would come in 2nd if he loses to Rune, regardless of score. If he loses in 3, the standings would become:

1. Rune: 5-3 sets
2. Sinner: 5-3 sets
3. Djokovic: 5-4 sets

Because Rune and Sinner are tied in sets, the tiebreaker would be their H2H and Rune comes out on top

Ah ok, I though it would go to games at that point because of the threeway tie in matches won but I think you're right, it goes back to head-to-head.

 

[robert.s]

No, there are no guarantees. It's dumb to tank a match thinking about a final when you have a semi to play first.

 

[nolefam_2024]

No, there are no guarantees. It's dumb to tank a match thinking about a final when you have a semi to play first.

This is the most correct take in here.

 

[robert.s]

Djokovic is coming after a gruesome season. Could see him losing in semis against anyone that comes out from the other group personally. Doesn't seem to have much left in the tank.

 

[Midaso240]

Wasn't there some other year where it was the same sort of scenario, someone had the opportunity to kick him out. They didn't, and he won the title?

 

[LordRaceR]

sinner is acting very good at the moment...

 

[phl92]

So seems this was the game plan. Win the first set, let Rune take the 2nd, and win the whole thing in 3. How you say it in English, 2 birds with one stone?

 

[JFK_32]

What if sinner will lose today, and tomorrow withdrawn from tournament? Djokovic in? How it works? When is the deadline to put Djokovic in when sinner will withdrawn?

 

[LordRaceR]

no, djokovic out... maybe than can call up ****ypass to play instead

 

[Aabye5]

It's happening! To a third set we go.

 

[BGod]

No Italian has won the event and he's playing in Italy and Holger is his 2 years junior. People seriously overestimate these strategy games and underestimate pride. There's also the money.

 

[Moose Malloy]

Wasn't there some other year where it was the same sort of scenario, someone had the opportunity to kick him out. They didn't, and he won the title?

In 1994, Becker could've tanked his last RR match vs Edberg and eliminated Sampras. He didn't, and ended up losing in the final to Sampras.

 

[JFK_32]

SInner is incredible idiot

 

[geromino]

Kudos to Sinner for not taking the easy route.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Game, set, match

D J O K O V I C

 

[Hitman]

SInner is incredible idiot

Sinner is fantastic, went out there and won the match like a boss.

He doesn't need to duck anyone.

 

[I Am Finnish]

SInner is incredible idiot

 

[SonnyT]

In front of your home crowd, you think you can run three times over Djoko's body.

 

[chrischris]

Well done Jan!

 

[chrischris]

In 1994, Becker could've tanked his last RR match vs Edberg and eliminated Sampras. He didn't, and ended up losing in the final to Sampras.

And?