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gloumar
Rookie
Hi, i'm a brand new user of the PSL, and i'm very glad of it 
I come frome a dunlop Aerogel200, pretty much the same but less HL balance.
This stick is amazing ! Very manoeuverable, and still very good plowthrough on groundstrokes and volleys, with a great accuracy on everything, touch shots included. Maybe not too much power on serves though, this is true...
And the leather grip is definitely a +
Talking about sensations, with a "soft control-oriented" 1.25 copoly stringed @47-45, it's just butter, as some say : a great comfort, good power when I ask for it, easier defensive shots too.
I didn't have a good feeling with the original multi @55lbs, which was a bit old i guess, and didn't feel smooth at all.
All in all, by far my new favorite stick.
I come frome a dunlop Aerogel200, pretty much the same but less HL balance.
This stick is amazing ! Very manoeuverable, and still very good plowthrough on groundstrokes and volleys, with a great accuracy on everything, touch shots included. Maybe not too much power on serves though, this is true...
And the leather grip is definitely a +
Talking about sensations, with a "soft control-oriented" 1.25 copoly stringed @47-45, it's just butter, as some say : a great comfort, good power when I ask for it, easier defensive shots too.
I didn't have a good feeling with the original multi @55lbs, which was a bit old i guess, and didn't feel smooth at all.
All in all, by far my new favorite stick.
gloumar
Rookie
Oh, and I just plaied on clay last week ! I dt really know how the surface can change the way a stick behave lol, i guess it changes the way you play with it ! :wink:
But to answer you anyway, as the frame is very versatile, I could play rallies from the back, and vary the game to short angles (very spin firendly) and net play pretty easily. great feeling
But to answer you anyway, as the frame is very versatile, I could play rallies from the back, and vary the game to short angles (very spin firendly) and net play pretty easily. great feeling
pyrokid
Hall of Fame
and you killed it at the net, amirite?
Arize
Rookie
Could be but I always use 16 guage strings on 18x20 patterns, still playing with the PSL GT and still enjoying it quite a bit, having some trouble doing my short ball cross court winners and cracking down the line winners off of a serve which I was very used to on my i.prestige and it's kind of frustrating but I am hoping to get the timing sorted out soon (Only played about 3 times with it so far)... Planning on picking one more of these up and then I will get them both strung, really can't wait to see how it is going to feel at 60 pounds with kevlars and polys, all in all I believe this is going to be my racquet :mrgreen:
I owned and played for awhile last fall with the GT version.
However, last spring, I had an extended demo with the non Gt version strung with Problend at 62. I was expecting it to be horrible and have no feel but it was quite nice.
Great feel and great stick but in the end, just not a good fit for me; I couldn't ever come to grips with the balance-even after adding lead. I spent 18 months with the PST and much preferred the heft of that one
same with me. Demo ltd when it came out but balance and string pattern didn't work for me.
pure storm tour has heft, weight and string pattern for spin & heavy balls.
I think most of the poster has put some lead on ltd to make it heavy and less headlight (not necessary but little less head light)
If you put leather grip on pure storm tour it becomes perfect without any lead. (345 strung leather+overgrip+ dampener & 8 point head light)
I'm considering getting myself a couple of used PSLs and requested to see pics. When I took a look at the pics, the two head sizes seemed a little different:
Now, I have no doubt that they're real, but it just seems odd.
Has anybody here experienced their head shapes changing due to tighter tensions or anything?
Could it be the camera angle?
Now, I have no doubt that they're real, but it just seems odd.
Has anybody here experienced their head shapes changing due to tighter tensions or anything?
Could it be the camera angle?
Comments from Spencer, who is now using the Pure Drive Ltd GT:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=320666
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=320666
ReopeningWed
Professional
So now I'm looking for more PSLtd.s, but Tennis-warehouse hasn't got any in my grip size. Does anyone know if they would build the grip up for me?
Arize
Rookie
So I picked up a 2nd PSL GT today on the market, should come in this week and I am going to give it a shot with Luxilon ALU Fluoro 17g @ 40 pounds, I hope this gives me the spin and bite I was having with the i.prestige mid plus @ 55/59
The one I currently use I got it strung with Kevlar // Prince Duraflex Snyth @ 58 and it's feeling pretty good... My shots don't seem to have that zip I was having with the i.prestige and I already commited to a 2nd PSL GT
The one I currently use I got it strung with Kevlar // Prince Duraflex Snyth @ 58 and it's feeling pretty good... My shots don't seem to have that zip I was having with the i.prestige and I already commited to a 2nd PSL GT
I'll be joining the club pretty soon. My racquet is on its way.
One question though: are the PSL's leather grips a lot thinner than the normal Babolat syntec grips?
I hope so because I ordered a PSL in 4 1/2 which is my go-to grip but today I visited the local sports store and felt the grips of a few Babolats. The 4 1/2 seemed a lot chunkier but they all had the thicker syntec grips. The PSLs, as you all know, come in leather and I've heard they're a lot thinner than the syntecs.
Can I get confirmation that this is indeed the case?
Ta
One question though: are the PSL's leather grips a lot thinner than the normal Babolat syntec grips?
I hope so because I ordered a PSL in 4 1/2 which is my go-to grip but today I visited the local sports store and felt the grips of a few Babolats. The 4 1/2 seemed a lot chunkier but they all had the thicker syntec grips. The PSLs, as you all know, come in leather and I've heard they're a lot thinner than the syntecs.
Can I get confirmation that this is indeed the case?
Ta
Actually, when I demoed the non-gt, I noticed the grip to be a lot smaller. My normal grip is a 3/8, but maybe it was because the leather was thinned out on the demo, but I couldnt even place a finger from my non playing hand between my palm and fingers when you do that quick grip test. Has anyone else come across this?
Panattafan
New User
PS Ltd 27 vs 27.5
Very curious to know anybody's experience with the LTD XL that is sold in Europe and that in fact you can get on TW International...
Played for many years with wonderful 27.5 i Prestige Intelligence (from Guga days) and they are getting old and worn out...looking for replacement...unfortunately the new Heads are only reg. length.
Demoed the Babolat PS GT 27.5 (16X20) and liked it quite a lot, but very much wondering about the 18x20 configuration of the Ltd. Demoed last night the US sold Ltd (27 length) and it it very solid but would really like to know from somebody's experience on the 27.5 version. Several people on this thread complained about the lack of power on the US version, especially on serve...wouldn't that be compensated with the XL longer version...I wonder if Spencer of TW has had experience with the "euro version" that they may have gotten 'back-at-the-shop'...
The racquet is called: Babolat Pure Storm Ltd Plus and is listed in TW Euro at http://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/descpageRCBABH-BPSLPGT.html
Thanks in advance for any info...and wondering in particular if the 18x20 would not lead to more control especially for backcourt passing shot specialist...just like the old prestige offered with such stability and regularity
Steve N.
Very curious to know anybody's experience with the LTD XL that is sold in Europe and that in fact you can get on TW International...
Played for many years with wonderful 27.5 i Prestige Intelligence (from Guga days) and they are getting old and worn out...looking for replacement...unfortunately the new Heads are only reg. length.
Demoed the Babolat PS GT 27.5 (16X20) and liked it quite a lot, but very much wondering about the 18x20 configuration of the Ltd. Demoed last night the US sold Ltd (27 length) and it it very solid but would really like to know from somebody's experience on the 27.5 version. Several people on this thread complained about the lack of power on the US version, especially on serve...wouldn't that be compensated with the XL longer version...I wonder if Spencer of TW has had experience with the "euro version" that they may have gotten 'back-at-the-shop'...
The racquet is called: Babolat Pure Storm Ltd Plus and is listed in TW Euro at http://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/descpageRCBABH-BPSLPGT.html
Thanks in advance for any info...and wondering in particular if the 18x20 would not lead to more control especially for backcourt passing shot specialist...just like the old prestige offered with such stability and regularity
Steve N.
Arize
Rookie
I strung my second one with Babolat Pro Hurricane @ 52 pounds, was a bit scared to drop so big at first, I usually play with high tension around 58-60 and this was the first time I did 52 and it's actually pretty nice, good pop much better spin if you hit with western like I do, I also just picked a volkl power bridge 10 mid 4 1/4th, I'm going to compared these see what I like more and I am also planning on picking up a Wilson K Blade 98, my choice has come down to these 3 frames and I need to do some extensive comparison on them before I pick which to stick with... Since I do hit with western top spin naturally I like the bigger head, and I am starting to find a bit better form on my forehands with the LTD GT but my shots don't have as much zip as they did with my i.prestige mid plus, I think the volkl pb 10 mid might take care of that problem, and the blade 98 I'm thinking will do well since it's stiffer and will give me more pop on the shots however the PSL GT is a really sweet racquet.
Strings
Just got my PSL GT and am loving it so far. I am looking for a spin string that will give me more action without sacrificing the feel of the racket. I already plan on lowering my tension to around 40lbs. I am going to hybrid one of these in the mains with nat gut in the crosses. Which string would you guys recommend between these 3?
Pro Supex Blue Gear 1.28
Kirschbaum Spiky Shark 1.25
WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
Just got my PSL GT and am loving it so far. I am looking for a spin string that will give me more action without sacrificing the feel of the racket. I already plan on lowering my tension to around 40lbs. I am going to hybrid one of these in the mains with nat gut in the crosses. Which string would you guys recommend between these 3?
Pro Supex Blue Gear 1.28
Kirschbaum Spiky Shark 1.25
WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
I got mine last week and I have definitely noticed that the grip seems smaller ran the 4 3/8 grips on my other racquets.
Anybody here experienced the squeaky handle/buttcap issue? If so, how did you fix it?
pyrokid
Hall of Fame
I think the handles on all PSLs run a tad small compared to the other lines Bab has, so I think the staples just loosen with play... So I just took it off, put some really strong adhesive all inside of the buttcap, and slid it back on, then restapled. The glue should make up for the lack of the 1/2 mm or so the handle's missing.
It makes sense that with the noticeable lack of handle/grip size on these racquets that the standard buttcap for that particular grip size would not fit as snug and would eventually work its way loose.
I find it more than mildly irriatating that Babolat has not addressed this themselves. It is now up to us the consumers to fix the issue ourselves. It is annoying that we have no choice but to remove the buttcap, fill the gap and then re-attach the buttcap. It is also annoying that this seems like an inevitable procedure if you have the racquet.
Ugh.
TW Staff
Administrator
I've been experimenting, trying to find what tension works best for me. For sure, it's in the lower ranges, but I have yet to settle on one particular number. I've messed around with 30lbs, 35lbs, 40lbs, 42lbs, 45lbs and 50lbs. 50 is out. It was only today that I tried 42lbs. I'll hit with it again at that tension, but I'm feeling 40lbs is what works best for me overall.
Spencer, TW.
Spencer, TW.
bad_call
Legend
Spence - that you're using the Pacific racquet now with Chris in dubs.
Hmmm, so I see you are using a full bed of poly, Spencer. So i'm wondering if a full bed of poly strung at 40 would feel the same as a poly/multi hybrid strung at say 50/53. I've never used a full bed of poly because i thought it might be too harsh on my arm, but I will have to try it.
Took my PS LTD GT with me today when I was having another racquet strung. I asked him about the squeaky buttcap issue and he said that all of the Pure Storm Ltd's are doing it...said he has dealt with about 10 of them himself.
He is going to take the buttcap off, apply some adhesive he has that is made specifically for racquets, the he is going to restaple it back on and let it dry for 24 hours.
God I hope this works...I am way too ocd to deal with buttcaps coming loose
He is going to take the buttcap off, apply some adhesive he has that is made specifically for racquets, the he is going to restaple it back on and let it dry for 24 hours.
God I hope this works...I am way too ocd to deal with buttcaps coming loose
KenC
Hall of Fame
That seems to be the standard fix. I have 2 PSLGTs that don't have it but I did demo a Pure Storm Tour that did. It was quite annoying although it doesn't hurt the performance at all.
How long have you had your PSLGT's? It seems like eventually the buttcaps come loose on all of them...
Wes_Loves_Dunlop
Professional
does anyone think that the string spacing in the PSL is as dense as the head prestige?
I switched to the psl's now after playing with the head prestige mp for a year now. Been playing with it for about 4 weeks and absolutely loving it. I am still testing different string setups so still in search for the best way to string the frames.
I bought 6 sets of babolat hybrid(pro hurricane tour + xcel). I stringed them up 60 / 58 because the tension drops so fast and the xcel is just such a weak string if you play allot of spin, i have brake them within 4/5h. I am now playing with a full bed of babolat revenge and it feels real nice, crisp and responsive. For now i will keep these in my matches i stringed them 58 / 56, tension does not drop with the revenge and they are pretty durable.
I ordered a few sets of alu rough and some natural gut and want see how these feel.
I love the head lightness of the frame wich really helps my one handed backhand. Im also ordering a 3rd frame because this racket will def stay in the bag!
I will let you know how the next string setup feels!
I bought 6 sets of babolat hybrid(pro hurricane tour + xcel). I stringed them up 60 / 58 because the tension drops so fast and the xcel is just such a weak string if you play allot of spin, i have brake them within 4/5h. I am now playing with a full bed of babolat revenge and it feels real nice, crisp and responsive. For now i will keep these in my matches i stringed them 58 / 56, tension does not drop with the revenge and they are pretty durable.
I ordered a few sets of alu rough and some natural gut and want see how these feel.
I love the head lightness of the frame wich really helps my one handed backhand. Im also ordering a 3rd frame because this racket will def stay in the bag!
I will let you know how the next string setup feels!
OldButGame
Hall of Fame
I found Blackcode 18g,...@50lb,....to be great in my first PSL,...(full bed),.....then found a full bed of Proline II, 18g,...@52lb,....to be not nearly so satisfying,...next time i'll go back to the Blackcode.
OldButGame
Hall of Fame
i haven't played the GT version,...but by the specs they both look pretty similar....(cept the GT is 179$ !!!!),......when the price comes WAY down,....i'll probably pick up a GT.
Dreamcastin
Rookie
Quite similar racquets, I like the feel of the gt version much better, the gt version feels slightly more stable and more powerfull to me also. the headshape is also diff.
mcshift
Rookie
the headshape is the same, the paint job probably just makes it look different,
from my experience (and what ive heard from a lot of people about the whole GT line) the GT versions arent nearly as comfortable and feel really stiff/dead.
I hit with the old PSL strung with Solinco Tour Bite 18/ OG Micro Sheep 16at like 51/54...sweet setup, makes this stick feel like a 16/18 string pattern cause of the spin the tour bite adds except with the same control as an 18/20
switched from the PST
Jakesteroni
Semi-Pro
This has become my primary now. I was using the head i.prestige mid, but this just feels better for me. Current set up is pro supex blue gear 1.27 at 53lbs. Great pop and spin. I had to add 4.4 grams of lead at 3 and 9 then about 4 at 12. Great racket.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
A fellow player just sold me one for cheap. The string come with it is some thick, yellowish which seems too dense for it. But the racket weight and balance seems very nice to me. For some reason, althought it's standard length, the hoop and sweetspot appear very close/shorter to the handle which feels very nice and extremely within grasp.
I always dig Fed's old k61 tour. How does this one compare to it? For sure I'm glad it's lighter than the k6.1 because it doesn't seem like a stick you'd want to play for 5 hours!!!
I always dig Fed's old k61 tour. How does this one compare to it? For sure I'm glad it's lighter than the k6.1 because it doesn't seem like a stick you'd want to play for 5 hours!!!
There have been several threads on this I think, so you can search if you want other options.
Staples alone won't fix it. The problem is the butt cap is slightly larger than the handle. The way I fixed it is to take everything off so the handle is bare.
Wrap some electrical tape around the handle. Just a little to take up some space. Then put the butt cap back on. It should go on tightly at this point. If it won't go on you've got too much tape. If it's not tight, you've got too little.
Now you can use the existing staples to secure the butt cap if you were careful removing them. Re wrap the grip, and you're done.
I have not had a problem with mine since I did this about a year ago.
Jakesteroni
Semi-Pro
i haven't had a problem but for the rackets that I have come across that have a problem I just take it off and dab superglue and stick it back on. make sure you apply pressure at the bottom so it stays on snug. Only problem you'll have with this is that if you need to take the buttcap off the superglue is strong enough to maybe take a chunk of the pallet if you take the buttcap off.
GoodSamaritan
Rookie
Would you guys say the PSLGT is worth the extra money? Planning on buying a PSL (GT or non) and heavily customizing it.
thejuice
Hall of Fame
This will be a subjective answer but for me the GT is worth it. They are similar but the GT is just more stable at the net w/o customization. Also, it is a touch more comfortable than the original IMO. But again, you will get different answers so I would advise you try to demo if you can (or buy one used frame each and sell the one you don't like).
I really like the original one, but I haven't hit with the GT yet. I think you might have to try them both to answer that for sure, or just get the cheap one and be happy.
Anyone out there have any idea why TW lists the flex for the Pure Storm Ltd GT as 59 when the information sheet that comes with a brand new frame says 67 flex??
I know TW's numbers are for a strung racquet, but I seriously doubt that the flex rating will drop by 8 points just by stringing.
I know TW's numbers are for a strung racquet, but I seriously doubt that the flex rating will drop by 8 points just by stringing.
The Juice is right: you will get different answers like mine.
So, I demo'd about 12 rackets and ended up wanting to buy the PSL (not GT). However, I saw a great deal for used GT versions so I did some research on here and found many people saying they are mostly the same.
Well, suffice it to say I'm back to demoing rackets. When I demo'd the older it was a racket that I had to make no adjustments with. It felt like I had been playing with it for years. I think it's a little softer (more flexible), therefore I had a little more control with it. Also, (and it may be just these two rackets) the balance was a little different.
So, I'd advise that you demo both but keep an open mind that the older racket is a great stick. If you're looking for a little more power and perhaps a slightly higher swingweight, you'll get that from the GT. Personally, I want less power so I should have purchased the older version (and may trade for an older one soon).
The power ratings are very similar, and these frames do seem to be somewhat string sensitive. Maybe you should try some different string setups and see how that goes. Strings can change both power level and swing weight noticeably, not to mention many other aspects of the way a frame plays.
OldButGame
Hall of Fame
In fairness to the PSL,...i had claimed Blackcode18 was much better than PLII in my PSL,.....but in using the PLII strung racquet again,.....it was great this time!!!!!....i might have just needed to 'adjust' to that string in that frame....:-?
....i might have just needed to 'adjust' to that string in that frame....:-?toedragger
Rookie
Tried a Bab PSL a few months back due to a continued search for a stick I could serve with AND hit-out with on my forehand... and haven't gone back to anything else. I love it. I did wind up adding lead at 3 & 9, then the same amount under the grip to retain balance - and it's even better.
Strung with Klip Explosive, Gut - Poly hybrid / 60 gut main, 55 poly cross.
Never turning back.
Strung with Klip Explosive, Gut - Poly hybrid / 60 gut main, 55 poly cross.
Never turning back.
i have both PSL and PSL GT. they are similar but there is a subtle difference. i cant put my finger on it, so it could be placebo...but i think the GT is a tad more stable at impact.
the specs are so similar I didnt think there would be a difference. most people react to swingweight & stiffness. since they are the same, i didnt expect to feel anything. there is enough diff that i'm sticking with the GT
(both stock setup...built up grip...Gamma Live Wire XP @ 60 lbs)
rlau
Hall of Fame
TW's specs from what I understand, come from an average of several frames. It's quite likely that Babolat isn't quite producing the 67 stiffness they claim for these frames.
I wouldn't be surprised if the GT tech is actually reducing stiffness to a small degree since it looks like the metal fibers are woven into the carbon weave.
I wouldn't be surprised if the GT tech is actually reducing stiffness to a small degree since it looks like the metal fibers are woven into the carbon weave.
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