Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Who has the better list of career accomplishments at this point?
Thiem or Zverev?
Thiem or Zverev?
Who has accomplished more: Thiem or Zverev?
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Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Slam + 4 other finals >> 3 m1000s + wtf + gold
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Thiem due to the slam win but outside of slams Zverev is more accomplished which is impressive at a younger age. If Zverev wins a slam then he’d be greater than thiem if they on 1 each. Thiem has been in more slam finals but Zverev achievements outside of slams are much better.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Thiem does have an actual Slam win (the quality of that Slam win notwithstanding) and he’s generally performed way better at them. If Zverev gets one, however, I’ll have to put him over because he’s better pretty much everywhere else.
SteffiGoat
Professional
Thiem as of now has achieved more due to his performances in the Grand Slams. If Zverev were to win a Slam, I'd put Zverev ahead of him considering Zverev already has 4 Masters ( Thiem has only 1), one WTF, and one Olympic Gold (both of which Thiem does not have).
TimHenmanATG
Hall of Fame
Alexander "Z" Zverev, obviously.
Olympic singles Gold is worth far more than a solitary Grand Slam title - especially one won in the 2020 US Open circumstances.
Domi has had the more solid career to date, but your question is about accomplishment.
Olympic singles Gold is worth far more than a solitary Grand Slam title - especially one won in the 2020 US Open circumstances.
Domi has had the more solid career to date, but your question is about accomplishment.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Timmy just barely. Zedrot has won the OSG, YEC, and has like 4x the amount of MS1000s.
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Thiem.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
You don't have to put him anywhere, he'll just put himself in there.
FlamingCheeto
Hall of Fame
A little redemption for AZ, but he's still the first guy in 70+ years to lose a slam FINAL after winning the first 2 sets LOL
UnforcedTerror
Hall of Fame
I'd take Zed achievements over Thiem's.
1 WTF, 1 OG and 4 Masters > 1 Slam and 1 Masters.
1 WTF, 1 OG and 4 Masters > 1 Slam and 1 Masters.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
2004 French Open – Men's singles - Wikipedia
Not to mention Djokovic doing it this year at RG
UnforcedTerror
Hall of Fame
Fluke or not, a Slam title is not worth more than a YEC title + OG + 3 Masters. I don't know what people are smoking here.
FlamingCheeto
Hall of Fame
Yes Tsitsipas was the 2nd biggest choker to lose a slam final in the past 70+ years after AZ2004 French Open – Men's singles - Wikipedia
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Not to mention Djokovic doing it this year at RG
Nadal>>>>>Federer
Professional
As of now Thiem is perhaps the weakest 1 slam wonder out there with not a lot else to back it up.
I have no problem giving zverev the nod here.
I have no problem giving zverev the nod here.
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Exactly. He's a couple of points away from being defending USO champ.
Thiem's 0-2 H2H in clay Masters finals is a big black eye.
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Weirdly, Zod aka street
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe not with the Olympic gold thrown in now. But I bet if you asked Sascha last September he would gladly trade all his YEC and all his Masters titles to have won that USO final.
Curtennis
Hall of Fame
I think the very last slam before Wimbledon that exact thing happened. I’m blown away that that hadn’t happened for 70 years befor.
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Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Was Wimbledon 2021 a fluke slam for Nole? What about Nadal‘s 2017 and 2019 USO?
Thiem straight set in SF the same player that gave Rafa serious trouble in 2019.
martinezownsclay
Hall of Fame
Has to be Thiem until Zverev wins a slam. Olympics are roughly on par with a WTF title, certainly not on a par with a slam.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Zverev has some great all round achievements. It's impressive. Very underrated considering how he gets treated.
It's a hard one for me. Obviously a slam title is the biggest thing and 4 other finals, but Zverevs all roundness is hard to ignore and the fact that he wins when it matters most of the time (the finals). For me it isn't just about a slam title. Zverev is a Masters champion, Olympic champion and World champion (YECs) in tennis. Thiem has had 2 good chances at YECs, had many great chances to win several masters, even another slam title he had a good chance at in AO 2020. But fact is those didn't result in titles. They are quite even IMO.
It's a hard one for me. Obviously a slam title is the biggest thing and 4 other finals, but Zverevs all roundness is hard to ignore and the fact that he wins when it matters most of the time (the finals). For me it isn't just about a slam title. Zverev is a Masters champion, Olympic champion and World champion (YECs) in tennis. Thiem has had 2 good chances at YECs, had many great chances to win several masters, even another slam title he had a good chance at in AO 2020. But fact is those didn't result in titles. They are quite even IMO.
MadariKatu
Hall of Fame
Medvedev is also a wtf winner with 3 masters1000. Has no olympic medals, but 1 extra slam final. Has managed to beat top10 players in slams. Broke through 15 years of big4 top2 at the rankings, but I don't know how big the covid asterisk is on this one.
He's a year older, but came to prominence 2 years later. So, in a way, Zverev has the edge because he's younger. On the other hand, Medvedev has done nearly the same in less time, so he could have the edge. Depends how one might look at it, but I wouldn't say it's certain.
The olympic gold might just tilt the balance now, though.
You could also say about Thiem that if he had managed to win the 2020 AO there wouldn't be any need for threads like this. He was really close.
MadariKatu
Hall of Fame
He gets treated like that because everybody sees the potential he has. He's the youngster that came earlier into the scene, and could have singlehandedly ended the big3 slam dominance from 2018 on
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
I voted Zverev as well despite preferring Thiem as a player/person.
Thiem has done far better at slams, however, so Can definitely understand the lopsided poll.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
Timothy and his slam and slam finals >>>>>>>>>>>>> ......... >>>>>>>>Someone named Z
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Using this logic, Federer has 21 slams and Novak has 19 since Roger was one point away from winning Wimbledon 2019. "Almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, not in tennis.
Anyway, Thiem as obviously accomplished more than Zverev, he's won a slam. Zverev has not.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Thiem has 4 slam finals, winning 1. (RG 18, RG 19, AO 20, USO 20)
Z has 1 slam final(USO 20)
Thiem is 9-8 vs top 10 players in slams
Zverev is 0-10 vs top 10 players in slams
Thiem lost 1 set on the way to USO 2020 final. Z lost many, including being down 2 sets to love down in the semi. Thiem straight-setted a tougher semi opponent in Medvedev.
The fluke would've been if Z won USO 2020 final.
As far as big3 is concerned, Thiem beat Nadal at AO 20, Djoko at RG 17/19. Z obviously hasn't beaten any of them at a slam.
Thiem is:
5-7 vs Djoko
6-9 vs Nadal
5-2 vs Federer
Combined, Thiem is 16-16 (50%) vs them
Zverev is:
3-6 vs Djoko
3-6 vs Nadal
4-3 vs Fed
Combined, Zverev is 10-15(40%) vs them
abmk
Bionic Poster
Thiem has 3 other slam finals. Missing that?
Bender
G.O.A.T.
I'm not, but the WTF + M1000 wins (and now OG) that Zverev has are worth more IMV, especially since some of those have come at Thiem's expense
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
duaneeo
Legend
It's more about big wins than big finals.
Who cares about vs top 10.
Thiem winning 2020 USO was a fluke, and Zverev winning 2020 USO would've been a fluke.
Thiem is 1-5 vs the Big-3 in finals (0-5 vs Nadalovic).
abmk
Bionic Poster
I see that apart from Thiem's slam win:
3 slams finals+1 Masters+2 YEC finals for Thiem vs 1 slam final+4 Masters+1 YEC win+1 Olympics for Z
Z is not better by a light year is what I am saying.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Given Thiem had 3 slam finals previously, USO 2020 win was not a fluke.
You gotta make slam finals first to be able to win them.
You gotta be able to beat top 10 players in slams to win them, obviously. With a record like 0-10, well ....
duaneeo
Legend
You gotta be able to beat the Big-3 in slams to win them, which is why no one other than the Big-3 have won them since 2017. Corona and the fluke DQ made the fluke 2020 USO win possible.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Thiem has 3 wins over the big 3 in slams , even if he didn't win those slams. 17/19 RG vs Djoko and 20 AO vs Nadal.
