Wilander: Djokovic's best is better than Nadals and Federers

[CYGS]

oh please.
stop lying. its easy to check.

you last posted a couple of posts in Jan 2017.
before that you posted in USO 2016 final thread.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?search/80622012/&page=3
you made 1 post on May 9th, 2017
your next post was on Sep9, 2018.

liar, liar, pants on fire.

one year backpacking trip around the world ?
yeah, ok.
I can sell you the Golden Gate Bridge for 10000$.

lot of my posts to trolls like you have harsh words because of well .........troll posts or BS or cluelessness.

to any decent posts/posters, I haven't used harsh words.

How is that a lie?

 

[abmk]

How is that a lie?

posting a total of 3 posts from after USO 2016 final to June 2017 (you said you were here until mid-2017) is not being "here" on the forum.

 

[Nadal_Django]

You were hiding for more than one year - remember that.You are a plastic fan and nothing more.Once Djokovic starts losing again you will fade again from this site.I dont agree with the Djokovic fans on this site on most things but at least some of them were here in early 2018 when he was getting beaten by Chung,Klizan and the likes of them.But gloryhunters like you were nowhere to be seen.

How do you know this?! You're here only 7 months?

 

[CYGS]

posting a total of 3 posts from after USO 2016 final to June 2017 (you said you were here until mid-2017) is not being "here" on the forum.

If I wasn't being here how did I post those 3 posts? Are you too busy calling people dumb to know that you're exactly that yourself?

 

[CYGS]

How do you know this?! You're here only 7 months?

Caught a double account. Should report.

 

[abmk]

If I wasn't being here how did I post those 3 posts? Are you too busy calling people dumb to forget you're exactly that yourself?

When people say being here on the forum, it means posting atleast once in a while. Not 3 posts over so many months.
That's a matter of common sense.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Caught a double account. Should report.

Yeah, or maybe he was a lurker before, but it seems that he knows a lot about you though.

 

[CYGS]

Yeah, or maybe he was a lurker before, but it seems that he knows a lot about you though.

He could be one of the Fed trolls who got banned.

 

[CYGS]

Reported for reporting me mainly because you were proven wrong/your hypocrisy was exposed previously multiple times by me.

Look at your post history. How do you not deserve at least a temporary ban for all the insults you throw at others?

 

[CYGS]

I refer you back to this .

"When people say being here on the forum, it means posting atleast once in a while. Not 3 posts over so many months.
That's a matter of common sense."

No, you're just twisting the definition to serve your false accusation. My last post was posted in May 2017, indicating that I was here until 2nd half of 2017 and that your accusation of me being a liar is false. End of discussion.

 

[abmk]

No, you're just twisting the definition to serve your false accusation. My last post was posted in May 2017, indicating that I was here until 2nd half of 2017 and that your accusation of me being a liar is false. End of discussion.

no, I am not. Its called using common sense.

 

[abmk]

It's not my fault that TTW would become an unbearable place for non-Fed fans once Fed won something important. I was still following Djokovic's matches, just not logging in here and getting abused by Fed trolls.

yes, unbearable post USO in 2016 when Federer wasn't even playing, but Djokovic was losing in Shanghai, Paris, YEC and lost out #1 in hilarious fashion to Murray.

 

[CYGS]

no, I am not. Its called using common sense.

Common sense would tell you I left the forum after my last post, which was posted in May 2017.

Now let me know how you can twist this fact and tell me I lied.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

It's not my fault that TTW would become an unbearable place for non-Fed fans once Fed won something important.

Is that a fact or an opinion?

 

[CYGS]

Common sense would tell you you rarely posted after USO 2016 till recently because you were disappointed, bitter and afraid.
Making 3 whole posts in that period doesn't change that.

Rarely posting =/= not being here. So I wasn't lying about the fact that I left the forum in the 2nd half of 2017 after making my last post in May 2017. Are you gonna apologize? Sadly I don't have a daughter yet, but you know you're in the wrong here.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Yes, its a fact your last post before Sep 2018 was in May 2017.
But common sense would tell you you rarely posted after USO 2016 till recently (because you were disappointed, bitter and afraid)
Making 3 whole posts in that period doesn't change that.

Come on mate, calm down, you won't change his mind like that (or anyway, I guess)...

 

[CYGS]

Yes, its a fact your last post before Sep 2018 was in May 2017.
But common sense would tell you you rarely posted after USO 2016 till recently (because you were disappointed, bitter and afraid)
Making 3 whole posts in that period doesn't change that.

Doesn't change what? I merely said I left the forum in the 2nd half of 2017, and my last post proves that. How that is a lie to you is the question unanswered by you.

 

[CYGS]

Come on mate, calm down, you won't change his mind like that (or anyway, I guess)...

Insulting us is his full-time job. Rest assured he won't ever calm down unless there's a ban coming.

 

[abmk]

Rarely posting =/= not being here. So I wasn't lying about the fact that I left the forum in the 2nd half of 2017 after making my last post in May 2017. Are you gonna apologize? Sadly I don't have a daughter yet, but you know you're in the wrong here.

Doesn't change what? I merely said I left the forum in the 2nd half of 2017, and my last post proves that. How that is a lie to you is the question unanswered by you.

you are lying about the essence of the point. Which is that you were very inactive/disappeared after USO 2016 till Sept of this year.
Making a whopping 3 posts in that time period isn't going to change the essence of it.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

How do you know this?! You're here only 7 months?

It's like you can see most users' posting history here

 

[Red Rick]

Yes, its a fact your last post before Sep 2018 was in May 2017.
But common sense would tell you you rarely posted after USO 2016 till recently (because you were disappointed, bitter and afraid)
Making 3 whole posts in that period doesn't change that.

Why don't you go back to misinterpreting Fed stats?

 

[abmk]

Lolman, is it not written "Don't feed the troll"? It's lack of attention that makes them wither. Leave 'em to their fan club circlejerk and see them go stale, no?

Either I am gonna point out BS of these trolls or I should put them on ignore. Latter looks like a better option right now tbh.

 

[abmk]

Why don't you go back to misinterpreting Fed stats?

care to point out atleast 2 or 3 such instances ?

 

[CYGS]

you are lying about the essence of the point. Which is that you were very inactive/disappeared after USO 2016 till Sept of this year.
Making a whopping 3 posts in that time period isn't going to change the essence of it.

You either misread my post, or you are just too embarrassed to admit you're wrong.

My statement is simple - I left the forum in the 2nd half of 2017. The fact that I posted less frequently than usual before that does not mean I was lying. I don't know what you wanna gain from this - it's just pathetic now.

 

[CYGS]

Either I am gonna point out BS of these trolls or I should put them on ignore. Latter looks like a better option right now tbh.

Because you got embarrassed by your plain stupidness. Can't handle the truth - it's either hurtful or boring to trolls like you (thrown right back to you).

 

[abmk]

You either misread my post, or you are just too embarrassed to admit you're wrong.

My statement is simple - I left the forum in the 2nd half of 2017. The fact that I posted less frequently than usual before that does not mean I was lying. I don't know what you wanna gain from this - it's just pathetic now.

less frequently than before ?
try posted once in a blue moon.

yes, you were lying in essence.
Anyways, I'm done with you. You're on ignore.

 

[CYGS]

less frequently than before ?
try posted once in a blue moon.

yes, you were lying in essence.
Anyways, I'm done with you. You're on ignore.

Sad that you can't comprehend a simple sentence. Or you're just an unhappy person who always assumes the worst out of people.

 

[CYGS]

It's like you can see most users' posting history here

That's creepy. Are you saying that he stalked me?

 

[CYGS]

How do you know this?! You're here only 7 months?

He has deleted his post. Admission of guilt (double account)?

 

[Sport]

Gotta disagree with Mats Wilander here. Rafa Nadal has the highest peak level, since he leads the H2H in Grand Slams over Federer and Djokovic. In effect, Nadal leads Federer 9-3 in Majors (including 4-3 outside clay). Nadal also leads Djokovic 9-5 in Grand Slams (including 2-1 at the US Open).

 

[BeatlesFan]

He could be one of the Fed trolls who got banned.

I thought only two got banned?

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Gotta disagree with Mats Wilander here. Rafa Nadal has the highest peak level, since he leads the H2H in Grand Slams over Federer and Djokovic. In effect, Nadal leads Federer 9-3 in Majors (including 4-3 outside clay). Nadal also leads Djokovic 9-5 in Grand Slams (including 2-1 at the US Open).

Djokovic is more balanced across the surfaces in the number of matches:

5 at aus open
9 at french open
6 at wimbledon
9 at us open

Nadal:

5 at aus open
12 at french open
6 at wimbledon
3 at us open


And finals are more indicative to express peak:

DJOKOVIC
1-0 aus open
0-2 french open
3-0 wimbledon
2-3 us open

NADAL
1-2 aus open
6-0 french open
1-3 wimbledon
2-1 us open


I would also consider other ATP finals:

Djokovic 22-11
Nadal 14-18

 

[RS]

Nadal is 7-7 vs Federer and Djokovic off clay Lew btw. 4-3 vs Federer and 3-3 vs Djokovic.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

@Sport

finals played against the big4:

djokovic 38-24
nadal 25-27

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Nadal is 7-7 vs Federer and Djokovic off clay Lew btw. 4-3 vs Federer and 3-3 vs Djokovic.

4-3 and 3-4, you're right.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

@Sport

Djokovic met the other two 17.2% of the times in his favourite slam, while Nadal met them 46.2% of the times in his favourite slam.

 

[veroniquem]

Or maybe Novak will win 7 majors to overtake Roger...

He doesn’t need to. Most complete resume ever

 

[veroniquem]

Federer is 37 years old lol. Kind of stupid to expect him to keep up against an ATG 5-6 years his junior.

Excuses, excuses. Djoko leads him OVERALL (and that includes encounters before Djoko broke through) and what’s the excuse for the other big 4? I know what it is! Djoko’s just better

 

[veroniquem]

edit: double post

 

[Sport]

@Sport

Djokovic met the other two 17.2% of the times in his favourite slam, while Nadal met them 46.2% of the times in his favourite slam.

Yup, but Djokovic has never been as dominant at the Australian Open as Nadal at Roland Garros. 11 RG is almost twice as much as 6 AO. Thus, it is doubtful that Djokovic would lead Nadal 6-1 at the AO as Nadal does with Djokovic at RG.

 

[veroniquem]

Yup, but Djokovic has never been as dominant at the Australian Open as Nadal at Roland Garros.

Djoko has never been as dominant as Nadal on 1 surface, true. But he’s been the most dominant overall (across surfaces, environments and formats)

 

[Sport]

Djoko has never been as dominant as Nadal on 1 surface, true. But he’s been the most dominant overall (across surfaces, environments and formats)

Nope. Following your logic of giving more relevance to the Grand Slam, Rod Laver is the only male player to achieve the Grand Slam twice. Djokovic only achieved the NCYGS once. Subsequently, Laver would be more dominant than Djokovic since 2 >>1.

In addition, Nadal won 3 consecutive Grand Slams on 3 surfaces in 2010. Only because Djokovic won 1 more consecutive Grand Slam in 2015/2016 he is suddenly more dominant? Nadal is more dominant than Djokovic as he has 17 Grand Slams and leads the H2H in Grand Slams over him 9-5 (including 2-1 at the US Open).

CRUTIALLY, it is irrelevant whether a Grand Slam is consecutive or non-consecutive. A player A who wins 4 Grand Slams in one year is less dominant than a player B who wins 8 non-consecutive Grand Slams in 10 years. The most dominant player ever is Roger Federer with 20 Grand Slams. Djokovic is not even close with only 14 Majors.

 

[tennisaddict]

Djoko has never been as dominant as Nadal on 1 surface, true. But he’s been the most dominant overall (across surfaces, environments and formats)

The guy with the most majors and most years at No 1 is the most dominant. Don't twist facts to suit your narrative

 

[Sport]

The guy with the most majors and most years at No 1 is the most dominant. Don't twist facts to suit your narrative

Well said. Dominance is determined by the number of Majors. Thus, Roger Federer is the most dominant player by far, since 20 >>> 17 >>>> 14.

Who is more dominant? Player A with 4 Grand Slams won the same calendar year or player B with 8 non-consecutive Grand Slams won in 10 years? Obviously player B.

It is irrelevant whether a Grand Slam is consecutive or non-consecutive.

 

[NoleFam]

Nope. Following your logic of giving more relevance to the Grand Slam, Rod Laver is the only male player to achieve the Grand Slam twice. Djokovic only achieved the NCYGS once. Subsequently, Laver would be more dominant than Djokovic since 2 >>1.

In addition, Nadal won 3 consecutive Grand Slams on 3 surfaces in 2010. Only because Djokovic won 1 more consecutive Grand Slam in 2015/2016 he is suddenly more dominant? Nadal is more dominant than Djokovic as he has 17 Grand Slams and leads the H2H in Grand Slams over him 9-5 (including 2-1 at the US Open).

CRUTIALLY, it is irrelevant whether a Grand Slam is consecutive or non-consecutive. A player A who wins 4 Grand Slams in one year is less dominant than a player B who wins 8 non-consecutive Grand Slams in 10 years. The most dominant player ever is Roger Federer with 20 Grand Slams. Djokovic is not even close with only 14 Majors.

Federer is more dominant than Djokovic and Djokovic is more dominant than Nadal. It's time to accept this instead of denying it over and over. Djokovic won 4/5 Slams from AO 2011-AO 2012 and 4/4 Slams from Wim 2015-RG 2016. He had 80+ more weeks than Nadal at #1 before his slump. His dominant streaks together shows that he won 8/9 Slams, and in 2015 he set the record for Masters 1000 titles and the first to make 13 big finals in one season. Nadal did not dominate across different surfaces like this. Nadal has insane dominance on clay which is why he has more Slams than Djokovic but in every other stat off clay, Djokovic leads him.

The Slam head to head argument gets thrown around a lot but Nadal just hasn't faced Djokovic enough in Slams off clay for that head to head to be a serious measurement. He hasn't played Djokovic at the USO in 5 years and at AO in 6 and a half years. When he played Djokovic this year at Wimby, that was the 1st time in 7 years. Djokovic leads Nadal 14-10 in all finals.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

@Sport

Nadal is down 8-21 in finals outside clay against big4+wawrinka.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Excuses, excuses. Djoko leads him OVERALL (and that includes encounters before Djoko broke through) and what’s the excuse for the other big 4? I know what it is! Djoko’s just better

Are you really that thick?

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Excuses, excuses. Djoko leads him OVERALL (and that includes encounters before Djoko broke through) and what’s the excuse for the other big 4? I know what it is! Djoko’s just better

Djokovic broke through in 2007 and their H2H since then has been quite even actually. This accounts for Federer being older than Djokovic. If anything it shows they played at a similar level peak for peak.

Djokovic isn't better than Federer lol. Get real.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Excuses, excuses. Djoko leads him OVERALL (and that includes encounters before Djoko broke through) and what’s the excuse for the other big 4? I know what it is! Djoko’s just better

Djokovic broke through in 2007 and their H2H since then has been quite even actually. This accounts for Federer being older than Djokovic. If anything it shows they played at a similar level peak for peak.

Djokovic isn't better than Federer lol.

 

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