Well well well, where did i bump into this one -
Prince Phantom Pro 100 18x20
? Nice review and specs. Is this the cure for TE? Is this similar to the older Prince tour 100 that had similar stiffness rating? Is this more arm friendlier than say prokennex ki5 320, prokenex q+ tour pro 315 and 325?
Seeing the stiffness rating is it more arm friendly that say prokennex q+ tour pros and ki 5 320?I have the 18x20. It’s a bit crisper than the ported phantom but more plush than the 93p. Its arm friendly like most Phantoms.
Seeing the stiffness rating is it more arm friendly that say prokennex q+ tour pros and ki 5 320?
How do you compare the PK Q+ tours to the Phantom pro 100 18 20 in terms of control, mass , stability, ease of use, comfort, power, spin?I’ve only played the Q+ tours and they seemed pretty similar but i have no long term experience with PK. I do have a sensitive elbow and i can play 6x a week with the Phantoms and even have started back using some soft polys in my crosses.
How do you compare the PK Q+ tours to the Phantom pro 100 18 20 in terms of control, mass , stability, ease of use, comfort, power, spin?
Not much of an option while stringing 93p isn't it. One may string it low for some free power as it's just 93 headsize but then considering the fact that it's 14 18 string pattern , better to string it tight.Can anyone compare PP100P to VCORE Pro 97 330g Power and stabilitywise?
I like my Vpro97 330g, but I keep going back to 93p 18x20. I just wish the 93p had little more power and forgiveness.
Can anyone compare PP100P to VCORE Pro 97 330g Power and stabilitywise?
I like my Vpro97 330g, but I keep going back to 93p 18x20. I just wish the 93p had little more power and forgiveness.
Is Prince Phantom pro 100 18 20 relatively light weight frame then esp while hitting against hard hitters? Is it stable at all or just known for control and comfort ?I've had a light hit with the vcore during a demo session with a friend. The vcore is just more beefier and naturally you'd expect more plow through, power and stability. My pp100p is 328g strung which is about the unstrung weight of the vcore.
I think lowering tension and or stringing with a multi will help. You can use weight to beef up a pp100p but I am not sure if that will give you the same feel why you gravitate back to the 93p but in a more forgiving package. It'll probably be closer to your vcore maybe I rekon. I think the 93p is unique in its own way.
You may be interested in the more open pattern 93p or....if you care to try...get your hands on the old Prince tour diablo mid. 93 head size in 16x20 pattern. Same head shape as far as I can tell to the 93p. Very round. The Diablo mid feels more closer to a 97-98 and had a pretty good sweet spot from memory.
Give the 93P (14x18) a try. Playtester Sean moved from the VCP97 310 to 93P (14x18) so that be something.Can anyone compare PP100P to VCORE Pro 97 330g Power and stabilitywise?
I like my Vpro97 330g, but I keep going back to 93p 18x20. I just wish the 93p had little more power and forgiveness.
Not much of an option while stringing 93p isn't it. One may string it low for some free power as it's just 93 headsize but then considering the fact that it's 14 18 string pattern , better to string it tight.
Is Prince Phantom pro 100 18 20 relatively light weight frame then esp while hitting against hard hitters? Is it stable at all or just known for control and comfort ?
Nice. I have a similar frame Wilson Prostaff 95S. Would you be able to compare these similar rackets, one with 14 18 pattern and the other with 16 15.Prefer the 18x20 93p. Strung with gut mains and smooth thin poly crosses at 50/45 lbs, it’s got plenty of power and spin. And never lacks control. Thing is a scalpel.
Hi Tordne,I always string two piece, and start at the head/top.
so the pro 100 is denser than the 100P? could just be the width of the bridge at throat?Phantom Pro 100 has 8 mains in throat and phantom 100p has 6.
Latterso the pro 100 is denser than the 100P? could just be the width of the bridge at throat?
Hi. I have been reading your reviews about the phantoms. Thanks for your in depth a analysis. Are you still using a phantom ? And what are your thoughts on the 18x20 bs pro 100 ?@Tordne 's post is one of the best regarding the Phantoms. If only he would write about the flip side and describe the differences too. Please @Tordne ? Specifically the string spacing differences and the beam shape characteristics. Based on what he wrote, I'm leaning heavily towards the Pro 100 because I like flex and if the 59RA isn't that much different from the 100P's 62RA, then it's not worth the switch.
I don't think the string pattern is enough of a change if the flex also isn't significantly lower as I thought the 100P wasn't flexible enough. Even the TT95 with its 60RA wasn't flexible enough for me. The new Pro 100P is only one point less and has the same string pattern (16x18), albeit on 95" versus 100" hoop.
Hi. I have been reading your reviews about the phantoms. Thanks for your in depth a analysis. Are you still using a phantom ? And what are your thoughts on the 18x20 bs pro 100 ?I’ve removed all of the weight from my Phantom Pro 100, and added a Prince calfskin grip. I’ll be really interested to give this racket a try at such a light weight, SW is only 316. I often have to remind myself that adding weight has to deliver something tangible, not just achieve a specification I’m used to. Timing will be off I expect, but will be fun anyway.
Hi. I have been reading your reviews about the phantoms. Thanks for your in depth a analysis. Are you still using a phantom ? And what are your thoughts on the 18x20 bs pro 100 ?
Hi Tordne,
You have mentioned several times that you use Sergetti method of stringing. I visited their website to learn more.
Would you please share you experience with it by comparing regular 2 piece stringing (PP Pro100) vs Sergetti (if you have done so)?
Thank you in advance for your time.
i actually feel the same way about the phantom. great feel. but no free power.Sorry been absent for a bit on here
I tried using the Phantoms (many of the variants) as a comfortable racket option. While, for me, there is much to love about it, in so many matches I was playing I just felt disabled on serve. I felt like I was having to fight so hard to hold serve. On many occasions in the middle of a service game I'd go change rackets and immediately get out of the game (hold). Pretty much for that sole reason I just couldn't adopt the Phantom long term.
For a while I was playing with the Head Graphene Touch Radical MP, but the last few weeks I'm playing the Yonex VCORE 98 305.
Will Prokennex score better in free power department say ki 5g classic or 320 or q+ tour pro? Ofcourse comfort is important.Sorry been absent for a bit on here
I tried using the Phantoms (many of the variants) as a comfortable racket option. While, for me, there is much to love about it, in so many matches I was playing I just felt disabled on serve. I felt like I was having to fight so hard to hold serve. On many occasions in the middle of a service game I'd go change rackets and immediately get out of the game (hold). Pretty much for that sole reason I just couldn't adopt the Phantom long term.
For a while I was playing with the Head Graphene Touch Radical MP, but the last few weeks I'm playing the Yonex VCORE 98 305.
Will Prokennex score better in free power department say ki 5g classic or 320 or q+ tour pro? Ofcourse comfort is important.
Didn't low tension help ? Were you not atleast able to hold serve through top spin serves If not flat fast serves ?
Thanks. Got it. I am strong intermediate club level player who plays on weekends but not tournaments. I do get what you said. So i am now even more confused if i should go with Prokennex 5g/ ki 320 (cant demo them and not available in my country) or Prince Phantom 100 18 20, lol. Thats just me.If I was playing a casual Sunday social match then I'd have no problem at all. But in competition matches with 5.0 or greater NRTP players a bit of slice or kick on a serve just doesn't cut it . I took tension down to 40lb and it really made little difference. I had several occasions of fighting for like 6 or more deuces with the Phantom. Then I like "screw this" and run to my bag and pull out another racket and hold serve with two serves. Don't get me wrong, they're outstanding frames, but for me I just cannot be as effective as I need to be in those hard matches.
If I was playing a casual Sunday social match then I'd have no problem at all. But in competition matches with 5.0 or greater NRTP players a bit of slice or kick on a serve just doesn't cut it . I took tension down to 40lb and it really made little difference. I had several occasions of fighting for like 6 or more deuces with the Phantom. Then I like "screw this" and run to my bag and pull out another racket and hold serve with two serves. Don't get me wrong, they're outstanding frames, but for me I just cannot be as effective as I need to be in those hard matches.
I know it's been a while but I'm looking to purchase a XR soon so could you please tell me if they are both 305g unstrung and what else were the standout differences? Thanks!I've been able to get my hands on both the Phantom Pro 100 US edition and the Phantom Pro 100 XR Japanese edition and am testing them side by side.
Though they have a similar feel (akin to the 16x18 EXO3 model), they are in a completely different class stability wise. I feel like the Japanese model fixes the vagueness issues with the US model while still remaining flexy and maneuverable. Here are some comparison pictures. For me, I have finally found a proper replacement for my Tour 100 and EXO3 tour in the Phantom Pro XR.
Anyone comment here on mods they made to their Phantom 100 Pro here? Recently purchased a Head Gravity Pro and really enjoy the feel on ground strokes and stability is sublime but the serving is very cumbersome. Played with a modified prince classic graphite 100 for years and even with the weight I added at 10 and 2 didn’t feel
As stable as gravity pro in stock.
Curious to what people have done here and if they find the plow and stability necessary.
I have a Phantom 100 that I heavily weighted (old school) to get the higher swing weight I like, but with a head light balance. It’s just me, but I’m not a fan of just adding weight at 12 to increase swing weight. So my O-ported Phantom has a heavier leather grip and about 20g lead just above the handle (inside throat) for a total weight of 360g and a swingweight of approx 340. That setup keeps my swing mechanics and footwork true and smooth. But coincidentally, like Tordne above, I pull out my red VCORE 98 when I’m feeling slow and underpowered against younger bigger hitters. My VCORE 98 is also customized to be more head light with a heavier leather grip, a little weight in the butt cap (not the throat), for a total weight of 340 but keeping swingweight at around 325. My swing speed and topspin goes way up with the Yonex, leading to more winners and shorter points ... but more points are also shorter due to more unforced errors with that whippier “NextGen” swingweight.Anyone comment here on mods they made to their Phantom 100 Pro here? Recently purchased a Head Gravity Pro and really enjoy the feel on ground strokes and stability is sublime but the serving is very cumbersome. Played with a modified prince classic graphite 100 for years and even with the weight I added at 10 and 2 didn’t feel
As stable as gravity pro in stock.
Curious to what people have done here and if they find the plow and stability necessary.
Prince O3 Tour 100Guys, help me decide.
Textreme Tour 310g
Phantom Pro 100
Wilson Blade 104
I'm a baseliner, grinder. Having some shoulder issues so comfort is priority.
Right now I play with Phantom 100P Pro but craving for some more power.
Thanks!
It seems great on paper but there are almost none feedback about that stickPrince O3 Tour 100
Guys, help me decide.
Textreme Tour 310g
Phantom Pro 100
Wilson Blade 104
I'm a baseliner, grinder. Having some shoulder issues so comfort is priority.
Right now I play with Phantom 100P Pro but craving for some more power.
Thanks!
Because it is not available in US... But it is damn great on court!!!It seems great on paper but there are almost none feedback about that stick
RA is 69 hmmmmDont look further for other brands. Beast is what you need: o3 100 has 1075 power level and soft spinny feel..
Comfort? Can you compare it to Phantom 100P Pro maybe? Or any other racquet?Because it is not available in US... But it is damn great on court!!!
It plays like below 60ra due to ports and comfortable. My other stick is 58ra fischer and except extreme ball pocketing of the fischer I dont feel difference in comfort.RA is 69 hmmmm
Mega comfort. Same as Phantom Pro 100.Comfort? Can you compare it to Phantom 100P Pro maybe? Or any other racquet?
Hmmm now you really got me interested. I didn't consider Tour 310g with ports. What about power? Can you maybe compare it to the regular version?Mega comfort. Same as Phantom Pro 100.
Perfect frame for spin baseliner.
Hmmm now you really got me interested. I didn't consider Tour 310g with ports. What about power? Can you maybe compare it to the regular version?
Power level is 875 for the new 03 Tour 100.Product description Prince Textreme Tour O3
Specifications:
- Headsize: 100in 2 /645cm 2
- Unstrung Weight: 310g/10.9oz
- Unstrung Balance: 31cm/12.2in 10 Pts. HL
- Length: 27in/68.6cm
- Power Level: 850
- Swing Weight: 290
- String Pattern: 16 X 19
- Cross Section (Mm): 20-22-18mm
%20 less power compared to Beast
I have Phantom 100P Pro. For some reason I don't like it so much on 2HBH, but love it on forhend.Which Phantom Pro does everyone prefer for 2HBHs? The PP100, PP100P or PP100P (18x20)? I'm switching away from the 93P (18x20) because I'm going to transition to a 2HBH to save my arm. Hitting a one hander is fun with the 93P, but it's a lot of wear and tear on one arm when I could reduce the wear if I switched to a two hander. The 93P doesn't feel right to me when swung with two hands, it feels like a wiffle ball bat.
Which Phantom Pro does everyone prefer for 2HBHs? The PP100, PP100P or PP100P (18x20)? I'm switching away from the 93P (18x20) because I'm going to transition to a 2HBH to save my arm. Hitting a one hander is fun with the 93P, but it's a lot of wear and tear on one arm when I could reduce the wear if I switched to a two hander. The 93P doesn't feel right to me when swung with two hands, it feels like a wiffle ball bat.