Open letter to Federer about Kyrgios

Shaolin

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sureshs said:
Drop him from the Laver Cup.

If you don't, it shows you have no balls and no respect for the game and its officials and umpires, and are only about money, and all your talk about the tradition of tennis is BS.

You have not taken a stand on any important issue in your life, from equal pay for women to Justin Gimelstob. Here is a chance to redeem yourself.
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Keep hating on him :rolleyes:

Guaranteed you'll be sitting in front of your tv with popcorn or a pizza next time he plays. Just like all the other people whining about Kyrgios.
 
junior74

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stringertom said:
Team kit designers are relieved.

Team buffet budgets will not balloon.
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*We also know that the Swiss ballerina is not comfortable in windy conditions
 
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sureshs said:
Drop him from the Laver Cup.

If you don't, it shows you have no balls and no respect for the game and its officials and umpires, and are only about money, and all your talk about the tradition of tennis is BS.

You have not taken a stand on any important issue in your life, from equal pay for women to Justin Gimelstob. Here is a chance to redeem yourself.
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thehustler

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zipplock said:
No way. As outlandish as Nick can be, he's also correct in pointing out the "selectivity" of how rules are applied, creating inherently unequal competition. Fed probably likes that Nick is just saying what Fed has been thinking for years!!!
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You mean like how if he were a challenger level player or lower they'd suspend him, but because he interacts with fans in a 'fun' way that makes it ok for his boorish behavior? Everyone picks on Nadal, but from what I've seen he's hitting his serves before the shot clock expires. If they play a long point and there's a standing ovation for 10 seconds and then the umpire calls the score after that, starting the clock, and Nadal or whomever takes the full 25 seconds that doesn't mean they took 35 seconds between points and they should be penalized. It's no worse than the players, like Tsitsipas who sees the clock running out, tosses the ball, then catches it. Now there's no clock and he can do what he wants to get his serve right.
 
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Things are starting to unravel, more and more proofs are popping out what kind of Fraud Federer is and what are his intentions. Too bad he hooked up with nutcase to fulfill his dreams.
 
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icedevil0289 said:
lol the captain for team world is Jmac of all people. Nick is obnoxious, an *******, and extra as hell, but the pearl clutching is kind of hilarious given the various egregious behavior on teh ATP and lets be real by teh ATP.

Also I did think fed said he did believe in equal pay, but maybe im remembering incorrectly.
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You are right. I edited the OP.

I would not call it a whole-hearted endorsement though - he seems to hint that it is popularity which is important. That is not the point of this.

“When I fought for equal prize money for the men’s game, I knew it was a dollar for a dollar also for the women’s game going up. I was really, really happy for them,” he said. “They deserve it. They also deserve it on the other tour, on the WTA Tour. I know they’re lagging a little bit. That would be nice to see it going up.
He added: “If we can help, great. Sometimes maybe the men’s game is a bit more popular, sometimes the women’s game. I think we should always help each other as players regardless of who’s more popular at the moment.”
 
tennisaddict

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Cry a river

Kyrgios is integral to Lacer Cup and he is so much fun

He has stated so many times that it is the best week in his tennis calendar and loves playing for team than himself
 
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sureshs

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tennisaddict said:
Cry a river

Kyrgios is integral to Lacer Cup and he is so much fun

He has stated so many times that it is the best week in his tennis calendar and loves playing for team than himself
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No, he loves playing for the money. You will see how he never picks a fight with Federer.
 
uscwang

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sureshs said:
Drop him from the Laver Cup.

If you don't, it shows you have no balls and no respect for the game and its officials and umpires, and are only about money, and all your talk about the tradition of tennis is BS.

You have not taken a stand on any important issue in your life, like Justin Gimelstob. Here is a chance to redeem yourself.
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uscwang

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sureshs said:
What a slap in the face of Laver, one of the few players of all time against whom nobody could find anything bad to say. Laver should ask Fed to replace Kyrgios, but I know that he has an Australian affinity to him.
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Now, you are trying to kill two goats with one stone?
 
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zipplock

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thehustler said:
You mean like how if he were a challenger level player or lower they'd suspend him, but because he interacts with fans in a 'fun' way that makes it ok for his boorish behavior? Everyone picks on Nadal, but from what I've seen he's hitting his serves before the shot clock expires. If they play a long point and there's a standing ovation for 10 seconds and then the umpire calls the score after that, starting the clock, and Nadal or whomever takes the full 25 seconds that doesn't mean they took 35 seconds between points and they should be penalized. It's no worse than the players, like Tsitsipas who sees the clock running out, tosses the ball, then catches it. Now there's no clock and he can do what he wants to get his serve right.
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Rules state clock starts when point ends, not when umpire calls the score, so yes, 10 seconds plus 25 equals 35 seconds, which is more than 25 seconds.
As I read the rule, the point doesn't start when the ball is tossed, rather when it's in play, so yes, Tsitsi should be penalized.
 
SaintPetros

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sureshs said:
Drop him from the Laver Cup.

If you don't, it shows you have no balls and no respect for the game and its officials and umpires, and are only about money, and all your talk about the tradition of tennis is BS.

You have not taken a stand on any important issue in your life, like Justin Gimelstob. Here is a chance to redeem yourself.
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Well done sir. With this magnificently written piece coming from such a personage as yourself the Fredster has no choice but to listen.
 
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thehustler

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zipplock said:
Rules state clock starts when point ends, not when umpire calls the score, so yes, 10 seconds plus 25 equals 35 seconds, which is more than 25 seconds.
As I read the rule, the point doesn't start when the ball is tossed, rather when it's in play, so yes, Tsitsi should be penalized.
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Typically I've seen that when there's an ace. Ump calls the score and clock starts. But if there's a longer points and the crowd cheers they will delay the score announcement and clock start. It wouldn't be fair if the crowd was cheering like crazy with a standing O and the players can't even start the point. The ump would state the players are ready, esp if the clock was winding down as the players could complain about it.

Point is Nick is a twit. If he put half as much energy into his tennis as he does with arguing, smashing rackets, messing around with fans, etc he might actually wind up a decent player.
 
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Fedforever

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I am cured!! Everything bad is the fault of Federer, Brexit, climate change, Trump, everything. I have seen the light. Thank you, thank you.

Seriously, if you want the world to appreciate other players and not be obsessed with Federer, stop making everything about him.
 
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thehustler said:
Typically I've seen that when there's an ace. Ump calls the score and clock starts. But if there's a longer points and the crowd cheers they will delay the score announcement and clock start. It wouldn't be fair if the crowd was cheering like crazy with a standing O and the players can't even start the point. The ump would state the players are ready, esp if the clock was winding down as the players could complain about it.

Point is Nick is a twit. If he put half as much energy into his tennis as he does with arguing, smashing rackets, messing around with fans, etc he might actually wind up a decent player.
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Since when is quiet a requirement to play tennis. I understand that it's polite to be quiet, but to have the idea that it has to be quiet to start a point seems very silly to me. Just my opinion.
 
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sureshs

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Wow Federer and Laver now definitely need to drop this guy.

  1. [B]Russell Fuller[/B]‏ @[B]russellcfuller[/B] 28m28 minutes ago

    The ATP also says it is now considering whether additional action is warranted under the Player Major Offence section of the code. That could result in an additional fine and/or suspension.


  2. [B]Russell Fuller[/B]‏ @[B]russellcfuller[/B] 29m29 minutes ago

    Nick Kyrgios fined $113 000 for 5 separate examples of unsportsmanlike conduct, 1 of verbal abuse, an audible obscenity and for leaving the court unauthorised during last night’s match with Karen Khachanov.
 
SaintPetros

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OhYes said:
Things are starting to unravel, more and more proofs are popping out what kind of Fraud Federer is and what are his intentions. Too bad he hooked up with nutcase to fulfill his dreams.
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What happened to the Miss in your previous avatar?
 
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thehustler

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zipplock said:
Since when is quiet a requirement to play tennis. I understand that it's polite to be quiet, but to have the idea that it has to be quiet to start a point seems very silly to me. Just my opinion.
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It's what it is in pro sports. People are quiet when someone's hitting a golf ball, same with tennis. If a crowd is loud and someone serves a ball and a point is played, but they can't hear the out call and someone gets injured that's not good. How many times have we seen a crowd member call a ball out, only to confuse a player and they wind up losing the point because they stopped? That's why we're quiet at those events, so calls are made properly, so players know what's going on, so the people who need to speak (ump, linespeople) during a point can do so and be heard properly.
 
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thehustler

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sureshs said:
Is is it 'cause charismatic Nick is just too an important a draw for both the US Open and Laver Cup.
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That's the part that gets me. How could he be important to a draw when he's out early anyway? Oh he might play one of the top guys in R3, if he even gets there. Do people really go to see him anyway? I'd think it'd be more about the Big 3 than anything else and maybe some other up and comers that aren't total dbags.
 
Raiden

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sureshs said:
Drop him from the Laver Cup.

If you don't, it shows you have no balls and no respect for the game and its officials and umpires, and are only about money, and all your talk about the tradition of tennis is BS.

You have not taken a stand on any important issue in your life, like Justin Gimelstob. Here is a chance to redeem yourself.
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ROTFLMAO!

The mother of ironies.

Your timing is hilarious, zoorubbish. How on earth do you come with that utterly preposterous fiction in the same week (of all weeks) that Federer singlehandedly took the initiative to rescue the ATP out of Gimelstob's hands by rejoining the Players Council AND additioally at Roger's own personal initiative, persuade Nadal to join alongside him. Roger ALONE did that you blind clueless nincompoop. Roger took action in order to clear up bumbling Djoko & co's mess.

It's called leadership. Something you evidently never ever see it coming even if it bites you in the ass.
 
Raiden

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True Fanerer said:
I thought the LC was a joke, so why does it matter who plays in it?
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Exactly!

On one side of their mouth they wish-preach that Laver Cup is not important... then they flip-flop to how Roger needs to show important leadership by deciding who gets selected and not selected for... Laver Cup! You cannot make this up.

This is what you get when haters tie themselves into pretzels: by not letting facts get in the way of their delusions of adequacy.
 
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Sartorius

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sureshs said:
Drop him from the Laver Cup.

If you don't, it shows you have no balls and no respect for the game and its officials and umpires, and are only about money, and all your talk about the tradition of tennis is BS.

You have not taken a stand on any important issue in your life, like Justin Gimelstob. Here is a chance to redeem yourself.
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True Fanerer

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Raiden said:
Exactly! on one side of their mouth they wish-preach Laver Cup is not important... then they flip-flop that Roger needs to show important leadership by determining who gets selected and not selected for... Laver Cup! You cannot make this up.

This is what you get when haters tie themselves into pretzels: by not letting facts get in the way of their delusions of adequacy.
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Fedforever

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Raiden said:
ROTFLMAO!

The mother of ironies.

Your timing is hilarious, zoorubbish. How on earth do you come with that utterly preposterous fiction in the same week (of all weeks) that Federer singlehandedly took the initiative to rescue the ATP out of Gimelstob's hands by rejoining the Players Council AND additioally at Roger's own personal initiative, persuade Nadal to join alongside him. Roger ALONE did that you blind clueless nincompoop. Roger took action in order to clear up bumbling Djoko & co's mess.

It's called leadership. Something you evidently never ever see it coming even if it bites you in the ass.
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But that is Federer trying to rule the game and that is WRONG.

Anything he actually does is wrong and anything he does not do is wrong.
 
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sureshs

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Raiden said:
Exactly!

On one side of their mouth they wish-preach that Laver Cup is not important... then they flip-flop to how Roger needs to show important leadership by deciding who gets selected and not selected for... Laver Cup! You cannot make this up.

This is what you get when haters tie themselves into pretzels: by not letting facts get in the way of their delusions of adequacy.
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You are the delusional one. Laver Cup falls very much inside the tennis arena, and now ATP is invested in it - which means all ATP players now are forced to have a stake in it.. It is not important for points, but important for the impact on the tennis calendar and its attempts to sabotage it. Not only that, if Federer decides who to select, he is also morally responsible for the choice.
 
Sephiroth

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More like I'd love Laver Cup to drop Rafa or Rafa to not bother.

Kyrgios can play there as much as his heart desires.
 
Slimerer

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sureshs said:
Drop him from the Laver Cup.

If you don't, it shows you have no balls and no respect for the game and its officials and umpires, and are only about money, and all your talk about the tradition of tennis is BS.

You have not taken a stand on any important issue in your life, like Justin Gimelstob. Here is a chance to redeem yourself.
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Disagree. The ATP is responsible for punishing Kyrgios' behavior. If you believe Kyrgios should be dropped from the Laver Cup, it follows that you probably believe he should be suspended by the ATP as well. Does the ATP's current decision not to suspend Kyrgios show that they don't respect the game and their own umpires? Furthermore, Federer is not and has never been in favor of extreme punishment for players. Federer stated in May after Kyrgios' default in Rome, "I don't think he should be suspended, personally, because he walked off the court. What did he do? He hurt a chair? I don't know. It's not enough for me." If Federer actually believed Kyrgios should be suspended/dropped from tournaments and/or the Laver Cup but did not drop him, then that would be spineless. But Federer most likely does not believe that. It seems as if you already have a predisposition against Kyrgios and are attempting to force your own opinion of Kyrgios onto Federer.
 
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sureshs

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Slimerer said:
Does the ATP's current decision not to suspend Kyrgios show that they don't respect the game and their own umpires?
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You can draw your own conclusions. Bill Simons already asked why no suspension and hinted that money is the reason.

Your question is also non-sensical as it assumes a false dichotomy. The ATP can respect the game and umpires by doing a lot, and also not suspend players if they think it is going to hurt the popularity of the game. What they have done is impose a token fine to show that they are taking action, and then letting him go along as usual. An immediate 6-month suspension was in order.
 
icedevil0289

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Slimerer said:
Disagree. The ATP is responsible for punishing Kyrgios' behavior. If you believe Kyrgios should be dropped from the Laver Cup, it follows that you probably believe he should be suspended by the ATP as well. Does the ATP's current decision not to suspend Kyrgios show that they don't respect the game and their own umpires? Furthermore, Federer is not and has never been in favor of extreme punishment for players. Federer stated in May after Kyrgios' default in Rome, "I don't think he should be suspended, personally, because he walked off the court. What did he do? He hurt a chair? I don't know. It's not enough for me." If Federer actually believed Kyrgios should be suspended/dropped from tournaments and/or the Laver Cup but did not drop him, then that would be spineless. But Federer most likely does not believe that. It seems as if you already have a predisposition against Kyrgios and are attempting to force your own opinion of Kyrgios onto Federer.
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does federer actualyl handpick the players for both teams? i'm curious to know. there is a ranking based selection i thought with a captain's pick. not sure if captains pick was nick or if there is some deal with certain returning players.

fed wasn't wrong about that time, iirc he did say that he wasn't sure if his previous "probation" or what you want to call it was still going on and if so then that would be grounds to evaluate but as it stands based on that one isolated incident then no
 
Pheasant

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If Federer ever even talks to Kyrgios again, he should go to jail and be sentenced to life without parole. Federer’s role in the Laver Cup is somewhat akin to mass murder. The Roger Federer Foundation is similar to a massive drug cartel.

Federer reminds me of Pablo Escobar, except that he’s even more ruthless.
 
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