heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
Fed can cover half the court just fine. Did you see his reaction shot off the net? This doubles match is absolutely HUGE. You must play your two best players and your gold medal team.
DAVIS CUP 2014 FINAL (21-23 Nov): France vs Switzerland
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I've always liked Monfils. He's the ultimate showman. Too bad he doesn't always bring it.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I hope Tsonga is not in a negative mood. Don't like his chances vs Fed if he is not calm.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
RF20Lennon
Legend
I think Stan can take Monfils TBH. But Federer is just gone. He didn't even slice most of the time. Can't bend and take the ball. Didn't even reach for most of the balls. But that being said I thought he got better as the match went on. Maybe there will be a moment of magic.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Federer on doubles: "I’ll definitely make myself available if I feel I can play proper tennis which at the end I was able to do today".
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Vero is French
Heh, guess I can give her a break on that account, even thought I think nationalism is idiotic arbitrary BS (really, rooting for a guy because he happened to be born in the same country of you by random chance? See George Orwell's great article, Notes on Nationalism).
If the US had a player who was that much of a clown, I wouldn't root for that joke either. I live in the US, but don't root for American players for arbitrary nationalistic BS reasons.
Sartorius
Hall of Fame
Fed looked flat at the start but started to look better as the match went on. Monfils played and served great regardless.
Fed's post-match comments suggest he's not down and out: https://twitter.com/christophclarey/with_replies
Fed's post-match comments suggest he's not down and out: https://twitter.com/christophclarey/with_replies
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't know Vero's motivations, but this is a team competition.
I may not root for certain players from my country if they are competing individually, but I might root for them in DC.
Carsomyr
Legend
This is how I feel, too. The geography of birth is anecdotal, and nothing more. Patrick Geary's Myth of Nations is a pretty good starter read on the subject, too.
Right, but I'm rooting for "Switzerland" only because of Fed and Stan, not because I have any silly emotional attachment to some government.
Yep, and I feel the same way about smaller geographic areas too. I wouldn't root for a tennis player just because he grew up in the same neighborhood as me either, unless I was friends with him.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Well, different strokes for different folks. Most people have emotional attachments to their homeland.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
So basically he's angry he lost. I bet Monfils doesn't share his sentiments. You've got to GIVE a crowd something to cheer about. Tsonga only done that for about a half an hour today.
another great thing is the nationalistic xenophobic entitled garbage about "outsourcing" and how that "steals" jobs from Americans, etc.
Translation: People outside of the arbitrary geographic region where you were born don't matter and shouldn't be able to compete for jobs that they need to put food on their table.
RF20Lennon
Legend
Same here really. I just hope Federer wins another match. Would be cool if the Swiss win the Davis Cup. But I'm not a big fan of the tournament. It destroys what tennis stands for.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I'll cheer for whoever I want, you little wannabe message board dictator dh! Allez La France!
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
No. I have a feeling he'll play doubles. The Swiss don't have other options. Chudinelli and Lammer or any combination of the two are not going in there. Forget it.
No one said you can't cheer for whoever you want, just that your reasons are idiotic and the players you're cheering for are clowns.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Stan is the favourite against Monfils. Never mind just "being able to take him." Now whether he'll win or not is another story, but he is the favourite.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Most wars in human history have a financial motive behind them. Nationalism can be used to get the populace behind the war effort, but it's not the primary motivator.
Sure, nationalism is a necessary but not sufficient condition for wars.
Stuff like the holocaust and racial cleansing? You can put that squarely on nationalistic BS for a rallying card.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
ha ha ha the mood! Take a hot bath, have a cuppa tea and relax. The evil Swiss can still win!
ETA: I LOVE Monfils. Stop calling him a clown.
Carsomyr
Legend
Maybe, maybe not. 50 years ago, a lot more people identified with a religion than they do today. I think globalism and the Internet are starting to erode things like sentimental attachment to a macrocosmic ideal. Not saying it's good or bad, but I just think that's what's happening. I think we're moving back towards pre-19th century, when smaller community attachments were far more important than the national concept.
Prabhanjan
Professional
I come from India and I would like to say a thing or two about "Nationalism". I would accept that it is ******** the day its proponents dump their parents saying that it was just a coincidence that just because they were born to them and brought up by them, it does not mean they should be supporting them in their old times when many other poor old chaps exist. Or if they throw new borns/kids/infants into orphanage and bring up more deserving kids in the orphanage. Till such time, the critics of "Nationalism" are sheer hypocrites
Sorry for the off topic.
Sorry for the off topic.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
I've watched curling (yes, curling) at the Winter Olympics in the early hours because GB might win gold. They did. And it's a great memory. There's a big difference between nationalism and jingoism.
okdude1992
Hall of Fame
This is true. Both of them are so talented, and a DC win would be huge for them. But at the same time, its also obviously important to Stan and Fed as well...
RF20Lennon
Legend
I come from India and I would like to say a thing or two about "Nationalism". I would accept that it is ******** the day its proponents dump their parents saying that it was just a coincidence that just because they were born to them and brought up by them, it does not mean they should be supporting them in their old times when many other poor old chaps exist. Or if they throw new borns/kids/infants into orphanage and bring up more deserving kids in the orphanage. Till such time, the critics of "Nationalism" are sheer hypocrites
Sorry for the off topic.
Countries and Borders were created by Human Beings. I don't have to subscribe to it. Being born to parents is biological. Just like being born on Earth. So if you make the argument about the planet I agree. But about countries? LOL please.
RF20Lennon
Legend
They do but you need a more vicious motivator to get things started. Financial issues aggravated Hitler no doubt. But his major motivation was nationalism through and through.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
I am afraid that Federer's Ego will make him want to play on Sunday, even though he is not even 70 % of his usual self. This is not good since he won't play the doubles tomorrow.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
How does it destroy what tennis stands for.
What does tennis stand for.
It is a sport.
Imho, davis cup is the international tournament of men's tennis.
Destroy?
I come from India and I would like to say a thing or two about "Nationalism". I would accept that it is ******** the day its proponents dump their parents saying that it was just a coincidence that just because they were born to them and brought up by them, it does not mean they should be supporting them in their old times when many other poor old chaps exist. Or if they throw new borns/kids/infants into orphanage and bring up more deserving kids in the orphanage. Till such time, the critics of "Nationalism" are sheer hypocrites
Sorry for the off topic.
Last time I checked, the holocaust didn't happen because people love their parents. It happened because of Nationalistic nonsense, or at least that was a necessary condition for it.
The analogy of parents to a State is ridiculous.
Why? It's true. Just look at his on-court behavior.
Marty Cintron
Semi-Pro
So not Benneteau tomorrow?
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
Are only Tipsa and I supporting France? Are the other 53 French poll votes Nadal fans? lol
rainingaces
Legend
Even the French hate the French.
Do I really have to find youtube videos of some of his ridiculous over-the-top celebrations that disrespect opponents? And what was at issue here, yes, stopping in the middle of service motion again and again, it's a time-delay. There are rules on that sort of things.
The stopping in the middle of the serves? Obvious gamesmanship to further aggravate Federer's back issue by having him leaning forward to receive longer than otherwise.
rainingaces
Legend
You need a brain to play snooker, you can play French Bowles just fine with yours though.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
After seeing the match today I now believe that back really was that bad last weekend. He probably is on pain killer today (or was).
As I said elsewhere, if he had come out playing 100%, then I would have believed something was fishy. But that was not the case.
urundai
Professional
Agreed. I was a bit skeptical till today though we shouldn't have suspected as Fed never pulled injury crap before.
I will be really interested to see the doubles match up and if Swiss gamble by playing Stan and Fed.
IMHO, Fed looks stiff/not 100% and doubles will decide the winner of this DC.
RF20Lennon
Legend
The beautiful thing about tennis is that you can be from anywhere and support anyone else because of the player's style, personality and appeal. It doesn't matter where anyone's from. Tennis is about break international boundaries. Davis Cup takes that away. It makes it all about countries again rather than people supporting what they like.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
Interesting how Stan is a francophile speaking French as his main language and all. lol Even Fed tries ;-)
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
He is the ultimate showman. So much fun. But only when he's galvanized by the occasion. He just feeds on it. In an average tournament, he can actually be as boring as the next guy and even a bit listless but he is phenomenal in big matches. So extroverted, so unconventional, so athletic, so creative, so exhilarating. I could watch inspired Monfils all day!
heftylefty
Hall of Fame
I am pulling for France and I am not a Nadal fan.
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