2017 Wimbledon SF: [3] Federer vs. [11] Berdych

[Marius_Hancu]

Full, 14-min, pressers, post SF:

Cilic
http://www.tsn.ca/tennis/video/cilic-would-be-a-dream-come-true-to-win-here~1167763

Federer
http://www.tsn.ca/tennis/video/federer-i-was-able-to-come-up-with-the-goods-when-it-mattered~1167762

 

[abmk]

Interesting. Federer' 5th Slam final since racket switch. 2nd season with multiple Slam finals (it's something he failed to do in 2010-12).

will give you 2010, but tbf :

2011 : djokovic in 3 slam semis, won 1 and lost 2
2012 : nadalovic in 3 slam semis, won 1 and lost 2

 

[Surion]

he looks as if he needs to conserve energy and thus is doing so.

he's not as explosive. I get the feeling his usual margin (of energy, 'extraness', etc) is not there.

however, his acumen is; and that's all he's had to use thus far.

for comparison; Nadal winning the French the way he did this year, he played some outstanding clay court tennis.

Federer hasn't dropped a set this Wimby, but his level has not been out of this world. not even close!

He's still ill, having a cold or worse.

You can see it and hear it while he speaks.

Even more impressive what he did thus far.

 

[Meles]

Gotta be said we'd all would have had more interesting Fed matches if Zverev and Thiem had come through for these last two. RaoMug and Bendych.

 

[icedevil0289]

Gotta be said we'd all would have had more interesting Fed matches if Zverev and Thiem had come through for these last two. RaoMug and Bendych.

yeah that halle final was super exciting

 

[Meles]

yeah that halle final was super exciting

LOL. Zverev had come in off two straight hard 3 set matches. He was far from his best.

I'll leave you to your RaoMug and Berdbrain reruns.

 

[-NN-]

Gotta be said we'd all would have had more interesting Fed matches if Zverev and Thiem had come through for these last two. RaoMug and Bendych.

What's to say Federer wouldn't have made Zverev+Thiem look like a giant sack of poo?

 

[World Beater]

What's to say Federer wouldn't have made Zverev+Thiem look like a giant sack of poo?

he routed dimitrov and raonic who are both far more dangerous opponents than thiem and zverev on grass at this point.

 

[Meles]

What's to say Federer wouldn't have made Zverev+Thiem look like a giant sack of poo?

He probably would have, but I'd rather see those matchups and I'm sure Fed fans would have enjoyed some revenge against Thiem and Zverev on more even terms who should have straight setted Raonic. These two probably can't hang with Fed on hard courts so this was kind of a last chance to measure against prime Fed on grass for all we know.

 

[The Green Mile]

Damn, didn't expect this many negative Nancy's, regarding the Wimbledon final. Or did I? Hmm....

 

[-NN-]

He probably would have, but I'd rather see those matchups and I'm sure Fed fans would have enjoyed some revenge against Thiem and Zverev on more even terms who should have straight setted Raonic. These two probably can't hang with Fed on hard courts so this was kind of a last chance to measure against prime Fed on grass for all we know.

I'm not bored of Dimitrov or Raonic yet, but I definitely prefer Thiem and Zverev to Raonic and want them to break through at the big events ASAP. No question about it.

 

[icedevil0289]

LOL. Zverev had come in off two straight hard 3 set matches. He was far from his best.

I'll leave you to your RaoMug and Berdbrain reruns.

lol i love the bitterness, keep it coming.

 

[-NN-]

lol i love the bitterness, keep it coming.

Ah so I'm not the only one who so easily sees through the ridiculously thick and salty veil of deceit Meles always carries around with him?!!

All those likes and emoticons form a very well constructed and maintained shield. He takes his knocks though - tough skin confirmed! Though sometimes he has to mull on things for a while before playing the "you got me" card.

I love me my Meles.

 

[icedevil0289]

Ah so I'm not the only one who so easily sees through the ridiculously thick and salty veil of deceit Meles always carries around with him?!!

All those likes and emoticons form a very well constructed and maintained shield. He takes his knocks though - tough skin confirmed! Though sometimes he has to mull on things for a while before playing the "you got me" card.

I love me my Meles.

his posts are equally bizarre and equally entertaining and tbh i have to decipher a lot of it as well to even understand b/c half the time i'm not even sure what he's getting it. but oh oh boy are his stat/prediction posts the most entertaining

 

[Dolgopolov85]

he looks as if he needs to conserve energy and thus is doing so.

he's not as explosive. I get the feeling his usual margin (of energy, 'extraness', etc) is not there.

however, his acumen is; and that's all he's had to use thus far.

for comparison; Nadal winning the French the way he did this year, he played some outstanding clay court tennis.

Federer hasn't dropped a set this Wimby, but his level has not been out of this world. not even close!

I think maybe the most impressive match Fed played so far was against M Zverev. Pretty good against Raonic too. But not awe inspiring so far, not like IW and definitely not like La Decima. He HAS however produced awe inspiring shots like that forehand pass on the run yesterday. It's just too random at the moment. Of course, the lack of rhythm ironically helps him beat opponents who depend heavily on it. But he wouldn't have bothered with being deliberately scratchy or anything in his prime. He used to absolutely crush opponents at that time, hasn't happened so far in this tournament and I doubt it's going to happen against Cilic. 3 tight sets is about the easiest he's going to get and he may drop a set or even two. Let's see.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

LOL. Zverev had come in off two straight hard 3 set matches. He was far from his best.

I'll leave you to your RaoMug and Berdbrain reruns.

While a 34 year old player struggling with injury is not supposed to offer that excuse (talking about Halle 2016)? You can't have it both ways. When Fed is in top form, AZ is simply no match for him, perish the thought.

 

[3fees]

Congrats to Federer blnt Berdych

Cheers
3Fees

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Since when are conserving energy and playing good tennis mutually exclusive

They are not. But that would be more like the Fed-Murray semi from 2015. Fed was just GOAT-ing on serve and would break only at 5-4/6-5 to keep serving ahead of Murray. He was so confident of holding his serve (against a player of Murray's caliber, no less) that he was content to cruise for the rest of the receiving games. That's not how it went against Berdych. He had the early break in the first set and squandered it. He didn't really seem to be on a roll. The 2015 semi was almost Sampras-like, vintage Fed. This match was a far cry from those lofty heights. Conserving energy does not have to mean a lack of intensity. Fortunately, even Berdych wasn't able to keep up intensity consistently and especially on the big points.

 

[Meles]

While a 34 year old player struggling with injury is not supposed to offer that excuse (talking about Halle 2016)? You can't have it both ways. When Fed is in top form, AZ is simply no match for him, perish the thought.

We'll never know now how the match would have gone on equal terms. Ditto Thiem.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

We'll never know now how the match would have gone on equal terms. Ditto Thiem.

Fair enough, but then you shouldn't have gone to town about the 2016 victories. You did and we will all keep mocking Z's Halle debacle until he proves you right.

 

[Meles]

Fair enough, but then you shouldn't have gone to town about the 2016 victories. You did and we will all keep mocking Z's Halle debacle until he proves you right.

Well with Djokoray licking their wounds we might see these matches on hard courts. I'll take what I can get.

 

[abmk]

We'll never know now how the match would have gone on equal terms. Ditto Thiem.

dude, an in-form federer demolishes them both on grass. Give it up.

Maybe watch some tennis before 2015, instead of putting up so many useless stats.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Federer is conserving energy or something.

Spoken like a true Federer guru

 

[cucio]

Most gallant effort by Berdych, he went toe to toe with the maestro and, with a bit more of luck, could perhaps have snatched a set.

Federer is (old) money in the pocket. What he is doing this year is simply mind boggling.

Begs again the question of what will happen to tennis once this generation retires (well in their forties, by the looks of it.)

 

[jstr]

Another 3 setter. One more and he's up there with Borg with full 3 set Tournament win ..

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Indian Wells match against Nadal and AO against Berdych was up to standards. Most other matches were below par for Federer

I have not seen all the matches, but fx against Raonic (specially the first two sets), he played quick, agressive, and with very few UE to boot. Perhaps he was a slight bit more tense/nervous against Berdych, since the tournament has now "opened up" for him. But Berdych played some great tennis at times and kept at it.

 

[Meles]

dude, an in-form federer demolishes them both on grass. Give it up.

Maybe watch some tennis before 2015, instead of putting up so many useless stats.

Thiem has won their last two matches so I'd still liked to have seen it. It better be a demolition on hard courts where I think they'll meet by the US Open.

 

[abmk]

Thiem has won their last two matches so I'd still liked to have seen it. It better be a demolition on hard courts where I think they'll meet by the US Open.

One was on clay where thiem is fav now, another one was in 16 on grass - when federer had injury problems and took risk of playing for Wimbledon (& Practice for it) .

He reversed the losses to Z and raobot in straight sets this year. Same would have happened with thiem, who is clearly worse on grass. Fed would've routined him.

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

next time just skip to the last line of your tirade.

I wasted 3 minutes reading through your crazy lyrics!

Federer is the favorite, but Cilic will probably take at least one set.

hopefully your guy's strategy of saving himself will prove useful.

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[YellowFedBetter]

Okay I'm well aware of what happened at the 2014 US Open (what a heavenly day that was all around, unfortunately I missed most of it) but circumstances were a lot different then and Fed wasn't riding the rejuvenating highs and wave of momentum he is now. And Cilic didn't have the 3 epic fails of last year in his memory. 6-3 6-2 6-4.

 

[Meles]

One was on clay where thiem is fav now, another one was in 16 on grass - when federer had injury problems and took risk of playing for Wimbledon (& Practice for it) .

He reversed the losses to Z and raobot in straight sets this year. Same would have happened with thiem, who is clearly worse on grass. Fed would've routined him.

I can't disagree on Thiem. Thiem can pull off some magic when he has the chance and he did it to Fed in Stuttgart. Really a crazy match where Fed won the first set and then Thiem won 5 straight games to start out the 2nd. Thiem then preceded to crap the bed and Fed fought back to 6-5 in the 2nd and even had at least one match point. Thiem pulled it together and got into breaker and luck got him through with one Fed volley on match point where the reflexes let him down (please make an excuse for knee.) Thiem won the breaker and the third set for the victory. Berdych was a much safer opponent and you never can discount Thiem going on a tear like he did with Nadal at Rome. Still probably straight sets for Fed, but it would have been a lot more fun than the threat of Berdych destroying another major event.

 

[abmk]

I can't disagree on Thiem. Thiem can pull off some magic when he has the chance and he did it to Fed in Stuttgart. Really a crazy match where Fed won the first set and then Thiem won 5 straight games to start out the 2nd. Thiem then preceded to crap the bed and Fed fought back to 6-5 in the 2nd and even had at least one match point. Thiem pulled it together and got into breaker and luck got him through with one Fed volley on match point where the reflexes let him down (please make an excuse for knee.) Thiem won the breaker and the third set for the victory. Berdych was a much safer opponent and you never can discount Thiem going on a tear like he did with Nadal at Rome. Still probably straight sets for Fed, but it would have been a lot more fun than the threat of Berdych destroying another major event.

nope, Thiem would be a far easier opponent on grass than Berdych.

Berdych actually played well vs Federer. That hardly counts as destroying an event.

 

[Meles]

nope, Thiem would be a far easier opponent on grass than Berdych.

Berdych actually played well vs Federer. That hardly counts as destroying an event.

Federer losing to Berdbrain at Wimbledon was lame, don't deny it. You guys have Helsinki syndrome with Roddick and Berd. Its alright to admit they were pathetic opponents and Fed should never have (nearly for Arod in 2009) lost to them.

 

[abmk]

Federer losing to Berdbrain at Wimbledon was lame, don't deny it. You guys have Helsinki syndrome with Roddick and Berd. Its alright to admit they were pathetic opponents and Fed should never have (nearly for Arod in 2009) lost to them.

yes, fed should not have lost to berdych at Wimbledon in 2010. I don't deny that.
He was off form and lost ( had some injury problems with his knee as well IIRC).

but you thinking thiem is some sort of competition for an in-form federer on grass is a massive , massive joke.

If roddick was a pathetic opponent , so is every opponent who has not won 6 slams or more.

and you need to check what Helsinki syndrome is, clearly.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Federer losing to Berdbrain at Wimbledon was lame, don't deny it. You guys have Helsinki syndrome with Roddick and Berd. Its alright to admit they were pathetic opponents and Fed should never have (nearly for Arod in 2009) lost to them.

Roddick was a really good player. If it wasn't for Fed, how many slams might he have won?

He was never a great, and his limitations were there to see, but he had some weapons too! He was a lot better than his single slam indicates, IMO.

And quite possibly the [emoji238] in post match press conferences.

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[Povl Carstensen]

Yes, wasn't Roddick like top 10 for 10 years? In Denmark we take pride in Kenneth Carlsen, who was top 100 for 10 years.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

I can't disagree on Thiem. Thiem can pull off some magic when he has the chance and he did it to Fed in Stuttgart. Really a crazy match where Fed won the first set and then Thiem won 5 straight games to start out the 2nd. Thiem then preceded to crap the bed and Fed fought back to 6-5 in the 2nd and even had at least one match point. Thiem pulled it together and got into breaker and luck got him through with one Fed volley on match point where the reflexes let him down (please make an excuse for knee.) Thiem won the breaker and the third set for the victory. Berdych was a much safer opponent and you never can discount Thiem going on a tear like he did with Nadal at Rome. Still probably straight sets for Fed, but it would have been a lot more fun than the threat of Berdych destroying another major event.

I thought Berd actually played pretty well.
He kept the pressure on Federer and didn't fold like he has in the past sometimes. There was just nothing he could do at key points in the match, such as when he had BPs on Fed. Several of those were saved with good aces. And that second tiebreaker once Fed started making great shots. His opponent was Federer ffs, what can you expect?

The only part of the match where he really lapsed was the end of the third set, and Fed immediately capitalised - but he was bound to falter under the pressure Fed was applying by being up 2:0 and continually holding so easily. I don't think Berdych could have done much better than he did really.

 

[Meles]

yes, fed should not have lost to berdych at Wimbledon in 2010. I don't deny that.
He was off form and lost ( had some injury problems with his knee as well IIRC).

but you thinking thiem is some sort of competition for an in-form federer on grass is a massive , massive joke.

If roddick was a pathetic opponent , so is every opponent who has not won 6 slams or more.

and you need to check what Helsinki syndrome is, clearly.

Well I know Helsinki is in Finland.

 

[Meles]

Roddick was a really good player. If it wasn't for Fed, how many slams might he have won?

He was never a great, and his limitations were there to see, but he had some weapons too! He was a lot better than his single slam indicates, IMO.

And quite possibly the [emoji238] in post match press conferences.

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Well said, but still my least favorite player of all time.

 

[Meles]

I thought Berd actually played pretty well.
He kept the pressure on Federer and didn't fold like he has in the past sometimes. There was just nothing he could do at key points in the match, such as when he had BPs on Fed. Several of those were saved with good aces. And that second tiebreaker once Fed started making great shots. His opponent was Federer ffs, what can you expect?

The only part of the match where he really lapsed was the end of the third set, and Fed immediately capitalised - but he was bound to falter under the pressure Fed was applying by being up 2:0 and continually holding so easily. I don't think Berdych could have done much better than he did really.

Foregone conclusion. Younglings might have played their best tennis yet, so Berdy has fouled another Wimbledon with his SF presence.