2018 Halle Gerry Weber Final : Roger Federer vs Borna Coric

[Federer and Del Potro]

I will say one thing with trolls vs trolls, fed fans have to deal with Rafa fans, Novak fans, and over the hill Sampras fans that imo far outweighs any other trolling.

Price you pay when you root for the actual GOAT

 

[Red Rick]

You don’t have any issues supporting posts that do Federer hate. Did I get that right ?

Federer sure did a number on you for life after Wimb 2009 . LMFAO

If you have no other arguments than pointing out to me which player I like or don't like, thanks, I already knew that.

Stop projecting.

 

[icedevil0289]

Price you pay when you root for the actual GOAT

What does suresh have to do with anything?

 

[zagor]

Oh look the Bullzillion who got roasted by @zagor when he made a thread claiming to be a Fed fan. Roasted and burnt to a crisp.

Cheers.

Oh yeah, he still seems butthurt about that one.

It's rich really, an exposed bullshaiter is accusing me of being a fake even though I never claimed I was neutral or "fair" or whatever in the slightest.

 

[Vamos Rafa Nadal]

Congratulations to Borna Coric! I have been hoping he would improve his play and win a tournament! When I first saw him play I had hoped he might emerge; the same with Dominic Thiem.

 

[icedevil0289]

Oh yeah, he still seems butthurt about that one.

It's rich really, an exposed bullshaiter is accusing me of being a fake even though I never claimed I was neutral or "fair" or whatever in the slightest.

I'm confused because you call out fed fans as well

 

[cc0509]

Well, I am not sure. He had months to work on his FH and other aspects of his game. So is FH was only good for four matches in Stuttgart? That isn't going to cut it! Wimbledon is BO5, so he can get tired more easily even with the day off between matches.

As expected, Djokovic has decided to start playing in time for Wimbledon. Federer looking shaky and losing to Coric of all people doesn't fill me with confidence, I am afraid.

Yep. Today was the first time I watched Djokovic play Queen's Club and Federer play at Halle and based on those matches only, IMO Djokovic looks like the better player. I'm not a big Djokovic fan but I tell the truth. A week ago, I said there was no way Djokovic in his current form could beat Federer in his current form at Wimbledon but things change fast in this sport and I've changed my mind. Federer will have to really raise his game at Wimbledon(which is very possible.) Djokovic's defense is getting back to a fantastic level if today's match is any indication.

P.S. Cilic is absolutely horrible vs Big Four players. He blew so many chances in that first set.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

@Hitman, the only point which you made which I disagree with is that Fed was coasting even during the final. I agree he was in "I don't really give a damn" mode throughout the week. He wasn't fighting much and was lackluster. But he did want to win the final. I am sure he wanted to nab #100 at Wimbledon and that he has Connors record in his scope. The fact Roger couldn't summon either the game or the will to win today isn't a particularly good sign. It dents his aura going into Wimbledon as well. I am not in panic mode at all, but losing to Coric has to sting. At least when he lost Halle finals in the past to old Hewitt or Haas, those guys knew how to play on grass.

It will sting, he is a competitor. But, I still think too much is being put into it.

IF Federer struggles in the first two matches, then IMO you maybe onto something. But for now, I don't see this as much.

 

[zagor]

Attesting to that. There are other fed fans that seem to think they are the poster of objectivity I dont think you fit that bill

I'm very subjective, have no illusions in that regard.

 

[tennisaddict]

If you have no other arguments than pointing out to me which player I like or don't like, thanks, I already knew that.

Stop projecting.

It is perfectly ok to not like a player but your bias is exposed here

Octo came to troll here , got what she deserved and you are doing yourself no favors here supporting her

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

It's simple that there's a day off after each match at Wimbledon. Zagor and Hitman were talking about it. It's completely reasonable what they were talking about. They even explained. I don't want to fight anyone we are all friends but I think we should all value logic and reason above anything else.

If Rafa lost to a non clay player right before RG I would think Oh well, something is not right with Rafas body.
Federer played no bodies all week and if he was in form he would have done the matches much faster and not harming his body this much.
If he starts playing like this in Wimbledon he would need 4 sets to beat no bodies.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Oh yeah, he still seems butthurt about that one.

It's rich really, an exposed bullshaiter is accusing me of being a fake even though I never claimed I was neutral or "fair" or whatever in the slightest.

Of course, he is a Bullzillion. And it is clear you roasted him bad, he is still hung up over it.

And I say it again, when have I ever said I am objective? LOL, at how that is something posters use to attack me.

 

[Red Rick]

Thirdly, posters can do whatever they want...but if you are purposefully posting to rile up another fan base to then start against fight, and then wonder why they attack Nadal...well if you poke them with a stick when they are obvious hurting, do you think they would respond civilly? She did it in the IW final thread. She knows what she is doing, and it is one thing to nobly defend Nadal, I am all for that, but then to intentionally kick it off, then afterwards complain when Nadal gets ripped a new one in response...well, if you spit in the wind, what do you think will happen?

And hey, I will continue to call things out. Why are you getting so worked up over it? Maybe take you own advise, you know, put me on ignore or something...

So it's not the message that matters, but a third persons interpretation that matters. That is a really, really slippery slope.

And why I get worked up about it? Cause I see a poster taking **** for something that's not worth giving somebody **** for.

 

[Rago]

Big school learning, huh? How to survive on TTW @Federer and Del Potro

 

[icedevil0289]

I'm very subjective, have no illusions in that regard.

Yeah I do think in terms of fairness you have no issues giving credit and dont come across as pretty or sulk after a loss. I on the other hand admit I put a lot on that slam race and can get pretty about. Tbh for the longest time I did think based on your posts you liked fed but he wasn't a fav.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Big school learning, huh? How to survive on TTW @Federer and Del Potro

Changing your mind every 5 minutes works best on TTW

 

[arvind13]

federer of 2005 was better than current federer

 

[Red Rick]

It is perfectly ok to not like a player but your bias is exposed here

Octo came to troll here , got what she deserved and you are doing yourself no favors here supporting her

What bias?

My dislike for Federer matters nothing for the merit of my arguments

 

[Deleted member 77403]

So it's not the message that matters, but a third persons interpretation that matters. That is a really, really slippery slope.

And why I get worked up about it? Cause I see a poster taking **** for something that's not worth giving somebody **** for.

If you cannot see that it is going to kick things off, well, you and I just see thing differently. And we have nothing more to discuss on it.

 

[ak24alive]

If Rafa lost to a non clay player right before RG I would think Oh well, something is not right with Rafas body.
Federer played no bodies all week and if he was in form he would have done the matches much faster and not harming his body this much.
If he starts playing like this in Wimbledon he would need 4 sets to beat no bodies.

Yes obviously he isn't in the form yet. There have been patches of brilliance though. At this point predicting anything about him is difficult.
Lets see what happens at Wimbledon.

 

[AceSalvo]

Hindsight. Fed got out of jail against Paire. Was gonna get caught at some point.

 

[Red Rick]

If you cannot see that it is going to kick things off, well, you and I just see thing differently. And we have nothing more to discuss on it.

I can actually imagine that that post kicks things off. But I think that it shouldn't. People being offended or not should not determine if it's okay to say something or not.

 

[tennisaddict]

What bias?

My dislike for Federer matters nothing for the merit of my arguments

Really ? That poster keeps stating she just defends Nadal against Fed devotees but she is a troll just like the Ghost.

There is no reason for that picture except to annoy Fed fans .

At least admit you are a troll and then folks won’t mind .

 

[Deleted member 77403]

I can actually imagine that that post kicks things off. But I think that it shouldn't. People being offended or not should not determine if it's okay to say something or not.

If I had my way here, there would never be any fights. But that is not reality, that is my wishful thinking.

I know how this eye for an eye mentality works here.

 

[Rago]

People being offended or not should not determine if it's okay to say something or not.

That's fine and so is someone calling out that post to state their opinion.

 

[DARTHSEID]

Just watched 3rd set highlights. Wow. That's some clean hitting by Coric. Outplayed Fed in that set. Good win.
Hope Fedr gets enough rest and practice for Wimby.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

I can actually imagine that that post kicks things off. But I think that it shouldn't. People being offended or not should not determine if it's okay to say something or not.

Didn't you get annoyed at me when I posted a crying Djokovic gif to the trolls in the Cilic-Federer AO 2018 match thread after Fred won?

I get defending Octo because I am a student of trollery, and an equal opportunity troll.

But I think that also disqualifies you from getting upset about Federer fans trolling, which is coming in spades if he wins Wimbledon.

Even moreso now after Coric

 

[ak24alive]

It is perfectly ok to not like a player but your bias is exposed here

Octo came to troll here , got what she deserved and you are doing yourself no favors here supporting her

I don't know about what Octo deserves but her problem is that she is very hypocritical. I immediately took Hitman's side because he called out her hypocrisy. He is right to point out that in a fair world she has no right to call out trolls when she herself is a troll. Whats wrong in that?! This is something beyond being from a particular fanbase. It is about being a hypocrite and not even admitting it.

 

[cc0509]

Yes obviously he isn't in the form yet. There have been patches of brilliance though. At this point predicting anything about him is difficult.
Lets see what happens at Wimbledon.

Yes, Federer will probably raise his level at Wimbledon and he'll have to if he wants to win it this year. Too soon to tell anything for sure based on tune-ups because if you base it only on Halle/Queens, Djokovic looks to be the superior player.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Lol
What a mess this thread became.
No one is objective, no one is right or any better than others.
Everybody is stupid and awesome at the same time.

Let's just find harmony in all this quarrel.

Over to football

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Yes, Federer will probably raise his level at Wimbledon and he'll have to if he wants to win it this year. Too soon to tell anything for sure based on tune-ups because if you base it only on Halle/Queens, Djokovic looks to be the superior player.

Well djokovic’s serve looks rock solid right now. I am sure federer knows he will have to play better. His ground game was shaky along with the forehand.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I don't know about what Octo deserves but her problem is that she is very hypocritical. I immediately took Hitman's side because he called out her hypocrisy. He is right to point out that in a fair world she has no right to call out trolls when she herself is a troll. Whats wrong in that?! This is something beyond being from a particular fanbase. It is about being a hypocrite and not even admitting it.

Everybody are hypocrites in this forum. You too. Even Hitman.

 

[Rago]

Let's just find harmony in all this quarrel.

Bah, boring.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

I don't know about what Octo deserves but her problem is that she is very hypocritical. I immediately took Hitman's side because he called out her hypocrisy. He is right to point out that in a fair world she has no right to call out trolls when she herself is a troll. Whats wrong in that?! This is something beyond being from a particular fanbase. It is about being a hypocrite and not even admitting it.

Exactly. If you go around saying you ONLY respond to false stories about Nadal and defend him against trolls, and then go and initiate an attack on another fanbase...well, then you are not what you say you are.

 

[cc0509]

Well djokovic’s serve looks rock solid right now. I am sure federer knows he will have to play better. His ground game was shaky along with the forehand.

Djokovic's serve looks rock solid, his defense is back to almost an insane level and his ROS is fierce. This is the best I've seen him look in two years.

 

[cc0509]

Djokovic's serve looks rock solid, his defense is back to almost an insane level and his ROS is fierce. This is the best I've seen him look in two years.

With that said, let's see if Cilic can win the second set! He's usually such a freakin' choker.

 

[ak24alive]

Everybody are hypocrites in this forum. You too. Even Hitman.

I admit when I am being a hypocrite. I refrain myself from being a hypocrite. I have been fighting stupid Fed fans for 2 months straight to prove to myself that I am better than being a hypocrite. If you think I am anywhere near OctoHypocrite then it's an insult TBH. But you are my friend you can insult me as much as you want

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

We are all trolls

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Bah, boring.

Hahahahahaha
Not as boring as Feds lousy grass game this week though.
(As you wish we shall continue arguing)

 

[Pagoo]

Djokovic's serve looks rock solid, his defense is back to almost an insane level and his ROS is fierce. This is the best I've seen him look in two years.

So Djokovic is back to his best now?

 

[Red Rick]

Didn't you get annoyed at me when I posted a crying Djokovic gif to the trolls in the Cilic-Federer AO 2018 match thread after Fred won?

I get defending Octo because I am a student of trollery, and an equal opportunity troll.

But I think that also disqualifies you from getting upset about Federer fans trolling, which is coming in spades if he wins Wimbledon.

Even moreso now after Coric

This isn't about trolling or not. In this case something neutral is perceived as trolling solely because of the poster. Because this isn't about the message. This is about the interpretation of the message. And that's what I'm arguing. Arguing otherwise is just misrepresenting my point.

I have no problem with anyone posting pictures of the winner with the trophy of any tournament in the relevant match thread. I would never attack somebody for that. And the example you give, the Djokovic crying gif in the Fed-Cilic match thread would've been trolling no matter who posted it.

So yeah, this disqualifies me from attacking people for posting Fed trophy pictures if he wins Wimbledon.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I admit when I am being a hypocrite. I refrain myself from being a hypocrite. I have been fighting stupid Fed fans for 2 months straight to prove to myself that I am better than being a hypocrite. If you think I am anywhere near OctoHypocrite then it's an insult TBH. But you are my friend you can insult me as much as you want

Octo is awesome and so are you

 

[cc0509]

So Djokovic is back to his best now?

Look, I've only watched ONE match of Djokovic's at this tournament--i.e. today's match and to me, he looks very good. I haven't been able to say that in over two years.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

This isn't about trolling or not. In this case something neutral is perceived as trolling solely because of the poster. Because this isn't about the message. This is about the interpretation of the message. And that's what I'm arguing. Arguing otherwise is just misrepresenting my point.

I have no problem with anyone posting pictures of the winner with the trophy of any tournament in the relevant match thread. I would never attack somebody for that. And the example you give, the Djokovic crying gif in the Fed-Cilic match thread would've been trolling no matter who posted it.

So yeah, this disqualifies me from attacking people for posting Fed trophy pictures if he wins Wimbledon.

Octo was trolling though. Pretty obvious. It wasn't really 'neutral'

Nothing neutral about it.

If he had just beaten Paire, for example, she wouldn't have posted it.

 

[icedevil0289]

There is trolling and then there is mocking injuries, I think that is where the history between hitman and octo comes from.

 

[Plamen1234]

Yes, Federer will probably raise his level at Wimbledon and he'll have to if he wants to win it this year. Too soon to tell anything for sure based on tune-ups because if you base it only on Halle/Queens, Djokovic looks to be the superior player.

The last time Federer lost at Halle final he won Wimby beating Djokovic there btw so what happens at Halle stays there.But Fed needs to raise his game a lot if he wants to win it this year.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

We are all trolls

In here you are called a troll if you got some bias or anti bias aka hate for rival. Which everybody has got.

So yes. We are trolls. But in real life we all are some miserable humans spending way too much time on a tennis forum doing completely meaningless things.

 

[Pagoo]

The last time Federer lost at Halle final he won Wimby beating Djokovic there btw so what happens at Halle stays there.But Fed needs to raise his game a lot if he wants to win it this year.

That was 2012. Five long years ago. Things have changed.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

In here you are called a troll if you got some bias or anti bias aka hate for rival. Which everybody has got.

So yes. We are trolls. But in real life we all are some miserable humans spending way too much time on a tennis forum doing completely meaningless things.

Liar! I got my job by putting "I am on the top page of likes for Talk Federer Warehouse" on my resume!

 

[Pagoo]

Look, I've only watched ONE match of Djokovic's at this tournament--i.e. today's match and to me, he looks very good. I haven't been able to say that in over two years.

Djokovic is an enigma. How he manged to regain his form so quickly on grass after many said he wouldn't be a slam contender until maybe the US open if that.

He's certainly made his fans and Nadal fans happy.

Edit: So now his serve, return, everything is back to normal? I haven't watched him at all.