5 years since the last time

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beard said:
Agree, but here I am talking about systematic offense on Lew who doesn't deserve that, because he doesn't offend anyone. Dont like his writings, but dont offend him (not you, in general)
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Lew II is one of the best posters on TTW. He is credit to this site.
 
beard

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Tennis_Hands said:
Precisely.

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I must answer to this and promise to stop there :)

We cant make our own analyses or what? Make your own to discuss together, but if I or someone else make his don't turn discussion to wrong direction (you are master of doing that, and even you think you are wise guy because of that, you just discredit yourself as not serious poster)... What the f.ck :)
 
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beard said:
I must answer to this and promise to stop there :)

We cant make our own analyses or what? Make your own to discuss together, but if I or someone else make his don't turn discussion to wrong direction (you are master of doing that, and even you think you are wise guy because of that, you just discredit yourself as not serious poster)... What the f.ck :)
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Bye.

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Luka888

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Respect. There is a very good reason for all for all of this but some people choose to ignore it. These type of threads always turn out to be trol!!ng events and some goat BS.
 
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mr tonyz

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Tennis_Hands said:
There is nothing ironic in that and the fact you are mentioning has a pretty unironic explanation too.
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I thought it was as ironic you said Fed's H2H records vs his main rivals were in line vs historical trends whereas i replied with Fed's records vs the field were not in line with historical trends. H2H vs main rivals (DjokerDal) vs H2H vs the rest of the field both having contrasting conclusions when set against historical trends (age) .I thought this counted as irony no?



irony1
/ˈʌɪrəni/
noun
noun: irony
  1. the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
 
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Tennis_Hands

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mr tonyz said:
I thought it was as ironic you said Fed's H2H records vs his main rivals were in line vs historical trends whereas i replied with Fed's records vs the field were not in line with historical trends. H2H vs main rivals (DjokerDal) vs H2H vs the rest of the field both having contrasting conclusions when set against historical trends (age) .I thought this counted as irony no?



irony1
/ˈʌɪrəni/
noun
noun: irony
  1. the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
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There aren't historical trends by which to compare his results vs "the field", because there is no historical precedent for the current situation, and his results up to 2013-2014 were in line with the historical trends too.

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Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
Lew II said:
In the next RG it will be 5 years since the last time Djokovic lost a Grand Slam match to any of the Big4.


Since then, 12 consecutive wins for Djokovic:

WI14 F b. Federer 6-7(7) 6-4 7-6(4) 5-7 6-4
UO14 QF b. Murray 7-6(1) 6-7(1) 6-2 6-4
AO15 F b. Murray 7-6(5) 6-7(4) 6-3 6-0
RG15 QF b. Nadal 7-5 6-3 6-1
RG15 SF b. Murray 6-3 6-3 5-7 5-7 6-1
WI15 F b. Federer 7-6(1) 6-7(10) 6-4 6-3
UO15 F b. Federer 6-4 5-7 6-4 6-4
AO16 SF b. Federer 6-1 6-2 3-6 6-3
AO16 F b. Murray 6-1 7-5 7-6(3)
RG16 F b. Murray 3-6 6-1 6-2 6-4
WI18 SF b. Nadal 6-4 3-6 7-6(9) 3-6 10-8
AO19 F b. Nadal 6-3 6-2 6-3
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2017 conspicuous by absence. Taking protecting h2h to extremes.
 
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Tennisgods

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beard said:
Lew never offended anyone on this site, he may or not may be "beacon of objectivity", but he is polite and never attacks anyone because of differ opinion.
On the other hand he is attacked, offended, insulted continuously in every single thread started or not by him. Good job Fed "fans" ... you don't contribute other fans good mood toward Federer, although I am aware that its not Fed guilt to have such bad fans. There are bad fans on Novaks and Rafas "side", but Lew certainly isn't one of them. I know he frustrates you with cold blooded facts that doesn't suites you, but this is out of limits.

Lew (y)
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The obvious issue with Lew is that he posts only stats that make Novak look good. Effectively showing off. Don’t blame fans of other players for biting.

Although I agree that no one should attack or insult anyone, of course.
 
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mwym

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triplefault said:
How is this impressive? 5 years means he should have won 20 slams in that time. But he didn't. Why not? Not losing to the big 4 means he was losing to nobodies. This is worse. Not impressive at all.
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I do not think Djokovic is doing what he does to impress. That is why he cannot be loved by many.

Djokovic had and still has one and only goal - to surpass Nadal and Federer. Therefore, for Djokovic, the slam won by anyone not named Nadal or Federer is obviously not as good as himself wining it but it is surely not as bad as Nadal or Federer wining it.

I am positive he does not mind being laughed at for any single loss by 'nobodies' at any non slam event as long as he has a chance of asking a question 'who's laughing now' when/if he (ever) surpasses Federer's slam count.

I know I am stating the obvious, but it seems some might have missed this rather simple fact.
 
OldschoolKIaus

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What a sore GOAT candidate.

He doged serious competions for two years and prefered to lose against players like Istomin, Cappucino and SQLuerrey.

Afraid of a strong Fedal? But no, they call it guru phase or Jelena-cheated-so-much-on-my-mind-break.

Seen again in Miami: lost to RBA -> immediate return of Excusovic lmao
 
True Fanerer

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OldschoolKIaus said:
What a sore GOAT candidate.

He doged serious competions for two years and prefered to lose against players like Istomin, Cappucino and SQLuerrey.

Afraid of a strong Fedal? But no, they call it guru phase or Jelena-cheated-so-much-on-my-mind-break.

Seen again in Miami: lost to RBA -> immediate return of Excusovic lmao
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Coffee with Rafa, man. I'm telling you.
 
True Fanerer

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Service Ace said:
Thought this thread was going to be "5 years since the last time... Nadal beat Federer."

Now THAT is an objective stat unlike this curated cherry picked garbage.
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I already made that thread broken down into days. Now, take back what you said in the Henin thread.
 
Lew II

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OldschoolKIaus said:
What a sore GOAT candidate.

He doged serious competions for two years and prefered to lose against players like Istomin, Cappucino and SQLuerrey.

Afraid of a strong Fedal? But no, they call it guru phase or Jelena-cheated-so-much-on-my-mind-break.

Seen again in Miami: lost to RBA -> immediate return of Excusovic lmao
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He didn't ''prefer to lose'', he was just in bad form, as Federer was in 2013 or Nadal was in 2015. As soon as he regained consistency, his score against Fedal was 4-0.
 
LordGoolbis

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Every Lew thread ever

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Lew II

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True Fanerer said:
You said Djokovic got his form back and was 4-0 vs Fedal. Ok, now address my question. Is Federer in much better form than in the 2 meetings with Djokovic in 2018?
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Yes but not by much, he didn't beat great opponents in the last tournaments, and lost in the 4R in the last slam.

It's not like Djokovic didn't beat Federer when he was in good form. He proved he could dominate the Big4 in 2011-12 (14-2 streak), in 2015-16 (20-3) and is proving it again in 2018-19 (4-0).
 
True Fanerer

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Lew II said:
Yes but not by much, he didn't beat great opponents in the last tournaments, and lost in the 4R in the last slam.

It's not like Djokovic didn't beat Federer when he was in good form. He proved he could dominate the Big4 in 2011-12 (14-2 streak), in 2015-16 (20-3) and is proving it again in 2018-19 (4-0).
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Not by much huh? This Federer in current form takes Paris easily and seriously contests Cincinnati. Djokovic possibly goes 0-2 vs Federer.
 
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mr tonyz

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Tennis_Hands said:
There aren't historical trends by which to compare his results vs "the field", because there is no historical precedent for the current situation, and his results up to 2013-2014 were in line with the historical trends too.
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Ah see , that's where i disagree. Historical trends for an ATG aged 30+ . Heck to make it even more obvious , we can take Fed's results from 32-37 . There are historical precedents for not only ATG's of the past , but also most tennis players from those ages to really dry up in terms of their title count.

If anything , Fed has defied historical trends by virtue of all the records he set throughout his career as well as throughout his twilight years going against historical numbers of previous ATG's. Number 1 in 2012 & 2018 , 4 slams post 30 (almost 31+ actually) , a wholse bunch of masters 1000s (11 from Paris 2011) + the 2011 YEC & a boat load of 500s too.

His numbers vs his main rivals considering his age is in line with the historical trends of the younger ATG's-to-be vs older ATG's however. so in line vs main rivals & against historical trends vs the field.
 
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Tennis_Hands said:
Historical trends for which ATGs of 30+ that resemble the current situation are you referring to?
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Of every ATG prior to the Big-3 post 30s & how they faired from there on out.Conners had such longevity I suppose & Agassi did ok after 30 , but we all know about his 'hiatus-time' throughout his 20s . So mileage-wise Agassi should have been still 'fresh' despite his advance age. How many other previous ATGs historically had slam winning potential well past their 30s?

DjokerDal are also making a splash post 30 also . So i can see where you're coming from with the Big-3 flying in the face of many historical trends also.

But it was more so just Fed losing a lot vs DjokerDal , due to the 5-6 age difference . So 2 younger ATGs vs a 5-6 year older ATG , that part makes sense. But Fed cleaning up in Djokers absence in 2017 + AO 2018? Imagine if Djoker wasn't around to stop Fed @ Wimbly 2014/15 USO '15 Finals + AO-16 (33 year old Fed cleaning up another 4 slams). That would have surely been another 4 slams for Fed @ 33+ to go with his 4 slams , making it 8 (hypothetical i know) . But in theory for Fed to rack up 8 slams + another 3 YECs ('12/'14/'15) that Djoker blocked Fed from also without a younger ATG in his way would have been a ridiculous Slam/YEC/Masters conversion rate post-30 .

That's the thing , the previous ATGs don't resemble the current situation . Which means it's against historical trends. Otherwise if the Big-3 weren't as good & followed historical trends of former ATG's , they would in fact be in line with historical trends .

So yeah , the current situation being 'different' is what goes against historical trends in essence.
 
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mr tonyz said:
Of every ATG prior to the Big-3 post 30s & how they faired from there on out.Conners had such longevity I suppose & Agassi did ok after 30 , but we all know about his 'hiatus-time' throughout his 20s . So mileage-wise Agassi should have been still 'fresh' despite his advance age. How many other previous ATGs historically had slam winning potential well past their 30s?

DjokerDal are also making a splash post 30 also . So i can see where you're coming from with the Big-3 flying in the face of many historical trends also.

But it was more so just Fed losing a lot vs DjokerDal , due to the 5-6 age difference . So 2 younger ATGs vs a 5-6 year older ATG , that part makes sense. But Fed cleaning up in Djokers absence in 2017 + AO 2018? Imagine if Djoker wasn't around to stop Fed @ Wimbly 2014/15 USO '15 Finals + AO-16 (33 year old Fed cleaning up another 4 slams). That would have surely been another 4 slams for Fed @ 33+ to go with his 4 slams , making it 8 (hypothetical i know) . But in theory for Fed to rack up 8 slams + another 3 YECs ('12/'14/'15) that Djoker blocked Fed from also without a younger ATG in his way would have been a ridiculous Slam/YEC/Masters conversion rate post-30 .

That's the thing , the previous ATGs don't resemble the current situation . Which means it's against historical trends. Otherwise if the Big-3 weren't as good & followed historical trends of former ATG's , they would in fact be in line with historical trends .

So yeah , the current situation being 'different' is what goes against historical trends in essence.
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So, essentially you are agreeing with me that there is no historical precedent to which we can compare the current situation?

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Bender

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I did a google search for "it's been five years" to see what I'd get.

I got 5% about MH370, 10% random crap, 20% breakup stuff, and 65% about suicide.
 
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mr tonyz

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Tennis_Hands said:
So, essentially you are agreeing with me that there is no historical precedent to which we can compare the current situation?
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Well no ...

You're saying that there is no historical precedence by virtue of the fact that the Big-3 Era is one of its own & thus has no historical comparison which makes it null & void as the Big-3 Era is it's own monster.Unless i'm misconstruing your wordage on the subject?

What i'm saying is that by virtue of the Big-3 achieving feats that no other previous ATG's throughout history achieved (either pre or post 30s), they have in fact defied historical trends (because historicaly there is nothing like it & thus as a result , "defying historical trends") .

So then how is it possible to defy a historical trend? If it's too different (or defiant) , you cannot compare therefore it's an inadequate comparison. If the trend is not all that dissimilar towards the history that came before it , it wouldn't defy it either. There has to be a cut-off point somewhere ...
 
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Tennis_Hands said:
So, essentially you are agreeing with me that there is no historical precedent to which we can compare the current situation?

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mr tonyz said:
Well no ...

You're saying that there is no historical precedence by virtue of the fact that the Big-3 Era is one of its own & thus has no historical comparison which makes it null & void as the Big-3 Era is it's own monster.Unless i'm misconstruing your wordage on the subject?

What i'm saying is that by virtue of the Big-3 achieving feats that no other previous ATG's throughout history achieved (either pre or post 30s), they have in fact defied historical trends (because historicaly there is nothing like it & thus as a result , "defying historical trends") .

So then how is it possible to defy a historical trend? If it's too different (or defiant) , you cannot compare therefore it's an inadequate comparison. If the trend is not all that dissimilar towards the history that came before it , it wouldn't defy it either. There has to be a cut-off point somewhere ...
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I don't understand how it is possible to basically wrap your line of thought in so many ways that it is completely unclear what you are claiming.

I said that there are no historical trends that the current situation can be compared to.

There are trends involving 30+ years old players, and even 35+ and 38+ old players, and none of them is like the current one, and that is not tied to achievements alone. Actually, that is what I am saying: the achievements are indicative of something else and not of the "greatness of the players" involved.

Out of the big 3 only Federer has a claim to have achieved something eclipsing the normal trends. The others's achievements are a product of lack of ATGs below them.

The cutoff is somewhere around 2013-2014. After that it is a full blown inflation era (for Fed's achievements from then on too).

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travlerajm

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Lew II said:
In the next RG it will be 5 years since the last time Djokovic lost a Grand Slam match to any of the Big4.


Since then, 12 consecutive wins for Djokovic:

WI14 F b. Federer 6-7(7) 6-4 7-6(4) 5-7 6-4
UO14 QF b. Murray 7-6(1) 6-7(1) 6-2 6-4
AO15 F b. Murray 7-6(5) 6-7(4) 6-3 6-0
RG15 QF b. Nadal 7-5 6-3 6-1
RG15 SF b. Murray 6-3 6-3 5-7 5-7 6-1
WI15 F b. Federer 7-6(1) 6-7(10) 6-4 6-3
UO15 F b. Federer 6-4 5-7 6-4 6-4
AO16 SF b. Federer 6-1 6-2 3-6 6-3
AO16 F b. Murray 6-1 7-5 7-6(3)
RG16 F b. Murray 3-6 6-1 6-2 6-4
WI18 SF b. Nadal 6-4 3-6 7-6(9) 3-6 10-8
AO19 F b. Nadal 6-3 6-2 6-3
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You just jinxed him.
 
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triplefault said:
How is this impressive? 5 years means he should have won 20 slams in that time. But he didn't. Why not? Not losing to the big 4 means he was losing to nobodies. This is worse. Not impressive at all.
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I like how Djokovic had an obligation to win 20 Slams in 5 years when only one guy reached that tally in his whole career.

Pathetic playing down of what was one of the most stunning dominant runs we have ever had the privilege to see. Not that I am surprised.
 
beard

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Anyone Fed fan is free to calculate stats that suite their idol. Than other fans could be critical about it, but without Insulting. That is the way talking should go...
 
Lew II

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tenisdecente said:
TTW never ceases to amaze. This is one real pure gold quote, almost to the heights of "No excuses" from 60's Weed or the infamous "I care about Nadal for his looks" LMAO
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Yes. Not all matches are the same. Does it sound strange to you?

Here is Federer vs Djokovic rivalry weighing importance of matches (and surface):

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