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Not quite that dominant.
Nadal doesn't have the same energy levels in November as he does mid-season and elsewhere.
Big 3 results if YEC was played on clay
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Nadal doesn't have the same energy levels in November as he does mid-season and elsewhere.
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Quite the contrary, an event everyone from sponsors to players cherrish and strive to be part of, that awards 1500 points and forces you to only play the best players.
Did I forget about the rich 50+ years history and how it was pretty much the 4th Major before AO?
So it got increase in prize money and points precisely because it had lost its allure of old. Players kept pulling out so the Atp had to save it somehow. The moment it left New York it's status dwindles although due to Becker and it being Germany it still got big TV ratings. Since it left Germany the ratings have been woeful.
A pointless event when players would rather be on holiday. Needs a total overhaul as does the entire calendar post USO
If it is clay indoor...then i don't think Nadal win more than 2. Federer will still have atleast 4Let's do a quick hypotethical ahead of this year's YEC. Also one that Nadal fans always wanted to hear
Who wins YEC since Big 3 first participation (2002) till now if it's on clay.
Listing the whole field and bolding the potential winner/winners
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2002: Hewitt, Maraaaat Safin, Ferrero, Moya, Fed, Jiri Novak, Costa, Johansson
No explanation needed really.
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2003: Rodd, Ferrero, Fed, Coria, Agassi, Schüttler, Moya, Nalbandian
Was Fed good on clay it 2003? Not really, but perhaps his form on the day could get the job done.
It's between him, Ferrero and Coria, with Ferrerro the favourite
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2004: Fed, Rodd, Hewitt, Maraaaat, Moya, Coria, Henman, Gaudio
If it's damp clay like Hamburg, then Fed, else Coria
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2005: Fed, Agassi, Coria, Davydenko, Ljubicic, Gaudio, Nalbandian, Puerta
Probably Nalbandian or Davydenko, I would see healthy Fed winning it otherwise
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2006: Fed, Nadal, Davydenko, Ljubicic, Roddick, Robredo, Nalbandian, Blake
Fed would have his chances, but Nadal played well the whole tournament, so I gotta hand it to him by default
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2007: Federer, Nadal, Djoko, Davydenko, Roddick, Ferrer, Gonzo, Gasquet
One if Fedal. Nadal may have been a bit better in 2006, while Fed around the same
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2008: Fed, Djoko, Murray, Davydenko, Tsonga, JMDP, Simon, Stepanek
Djoko with a slim chance for Davydenko
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2009: Fed, Nadal, Djoko, Murray, Del Po, Davydenko, Verdasco, Soderling
Honestly, any of Fed, Djoko, Del Po, Davydenko, Soderling could have won it. Nadal was totally out of shape, so I don't think the surface makes the difference for it here.
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2010: Nadal, Fed, Djoko, Sod, Murray, Berd, Ferrer, Rodd
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2011: Djoko, Nadal, Murray, Fed, Ferrer, Tsonga, Berd, Fish
Nadal a bit out of it, Fed in great shape
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2012: Djoko, Fed, Murray, Ferrer, Berd, Del Po, Tsonga, Tipsy
Clay would make the difference between Djoko and the rest huge here.
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2013: Ned, Djok, Ferrer, Del Po, Berd, Fed, Stan, Gasquet
Shoedown between Ned and Djoko in the final. Could go either way.
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2014: Djoko, Fed, Stan, Nishikori, Murray, Berdych, Raonic, Cilic
Djoko was in great shape and beats Stan in the final probably
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2015: Djoko, Fed, Murray, Stan, Nadal, Berd, Ferrer, Nishikori
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2016: Murray, Djoko, Stan, Raonic, Nishi, Monf, Cilic, Timmy
Djoko or Murray. Clay could work in Novak's favour here as he didn't look comfortable on the faster HC
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2017: Rafa, Fed, Zverev, Thiem, Cilic, Grigolo, Goffin, Sock
Zverev or Goffin I think. Maybe slight chance for Timmy
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2018: Djoko, Fed, Zverev, Anderson, Cilic, Timmy, Kei, Isner
Djoko or Zverev
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2019: Ned, Djoko, Fed, Med, Timmy, Tsitsi, Z, Berr
Ned or Timmy, probably Nadal.
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2020: Novak, Rafa, Timmy, Med, Zverev, Tsitsi, Ruble, Schwartz
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Summary:
4 titles for Novak in 08, 12, 14, 15.
4 potential titles in 09, 13, 16, 18
4 titles for Rafa in 2006, 2010, 2019, 2020
2 potential titles in 2007, 2013.
Outiside chances in 2009 and 2011 just because clay
1 titles for Fed in 2011
4 potential titles in 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
The switch-up would be nasty for Fed as he would have to face clay players before becoming a full fledged force on it himself (2002-2004) and Nadal afterwards (2006, 2007, 2010). After 2011, he likely doesn't hold up on clay anymore against the very best.
I can see him winning 2 titles, maybe 3 if outperforming Nadal that late in the season isn't a far fetched opinion.
Nadal would get a good share, would perhaps even make his body miraculously healthy for the YEC year after year if it's on clay. 4 or 5 titles reasonably.
Djokovic would benefit from potentially dangerous HC players being a lesser threat on clay, as well as Nadal not being a consistent showing at the YEC.
Plus he is a great clay player himself.
4 titles in the bag at the very least, but 6 titles is a real possibility, so perhaps even better off than he is now.
Additionally, players like Ferrero, Zverev, Davydenko could become multiple time winners on it.
Thoughts?
I think someone missed the 2020 RG final. Indoor clay is not that bad for Nadal
Playing one match in indoor vs all under roof is a different ball game.
I think if that is the case then why Nadal fans cry foul about 2018 wimbledon SFs being under roof favoured djoker.
Playing under cooler and damp conditions will offer low bounce and spin which is why Nadal struggles indoors.
LOL are you seriously comparing grass to clay???
Conditions will be same irrespective of surface. On clay it might slow down a bit. The fact is it won't be cakewalk like outdoor clay. Plus he have to play 5 top 8 players in a row unlike 1 or 2 in masters.
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