Indian Wells 2017: [2]Novak Djokovic vs [15]Nick Kyrgios

Djokovic vs Kyrgios

  • Djokovic in 2

    Votes: 16 25.8%

  • Djokovic in 3

    Votes: 14 22.6%

  • Kyrgios in 2

    Votes: 18 29.0%

  • Kyrgios in 3

    Votes: 14 22.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
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Rina

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Just as I thought, Djokovic right now can't beat Kyrgios. Oh, well. Did Kyrgios hire a mental coach or how is he acting now? On and off the court? I thought he might waste his talent with his behavior, so it is good if he is working on it.
 
Mainad

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Red Rick said:
Nick Kyrgioz, the man of big occasions, would be poetic if he came through the quarter of death.

Meanwhile, Murray continuing his practice of losing jn the first week and increasing his lead
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Continuing? This was the first time in like...ages!
 
cc0509

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
RF-18 said:
Kyrgios was obviously better but i'm commenting on people saying it is a match up problem. Don't agree at all. When Djokovic gains back his form and consistency he'll neutralize Kyrgios game. It is just that Novak is not good at all atm and is too inconsistent.
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Wanna bet?
 
SpinToWin

SpinToWin

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TheMusicLover said:
Just a kind remembrance that once again 1) results from the past do not give any certainty for the (near) future, and 2) things can indeed change very quickly in tennis, as in any other sport.
Nothing is ever set in stone.

How often more do people finally realize this, and get the ghist? ;)
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Forevermore and yet they shall never learn ;) :p
 
GabeT

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Djokovic2011 said:
The Del Potro curse strikes again. :eek: And proof again(if it were needed) of just how fascinating matchups are in tennis. Djokovic is obviously a better player than Kyrgios by a country mile and yet he's lost both matches they've played without even winning a set. On the other hand you have a player like Murray, as great as he is, who isn't as good as Djokovic either and yet he hasn't dropped a set to Kygios in their previous four meetings and seems to handle him fairly comfortably. Perhaps Kyrgios just gets up more for playing Djokovic but as a fan I'd be lying if i said it wasn't extremely frustrating to witness. Oh well, I had a feeling given his incredible consistency here since 2011 that he was due an early round defeat this year and that was reinforced all the more when I saw the draw.
Anyway good luck in the doubles later Novak and here's hoping for a kinder draw in Miami. :)
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this is all true. But Nole played terribly. Missed balls all over. I think that's the bigger story here.
 
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mike danny said:
He probably will now that he is no.1.
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You mean he didn't when he was #2? Yet he considers the current #2 a top player? Now that's what I call discrimination! :mad:;)

mike danny said:
He simply did not get a chance to play him yet ;)
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The current #1 always had his number when he was still #2. But at the moment, he doesn't seem to have anybody's number with the possible exception of Verdasco! So I guess a future meeting has now become surprisingly interesting!! :cool:
 
Djokovic2011

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GabeT said:
this is all true. But Nole played terribly. Missed balls all over. I think that's the bigger story here.
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Yeah, I definitely thought he played better in Acapulco, his ground game in that match was actually very solid and his only poor patch of play was in the very last game. I have to say though that I never envisaged Novak having so much trouble with Kyrgios' serve - I don't recall even the likes of true servebots a la Karlovic and Isner being such a pain in the ass for him. Absolutely incredible.
 
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ANDYbhGENIUS

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Rosstour said:
Djokovic exposed Nadal, who had in turn exposed Federer...now Kyrgios is exposing Djokovic. Could he be the next dominant #1?
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Very few other candidates no?

But these are different times, short, fast, twitter age, so not sure at all any player can even stick around long enough to get to 10 majors.

Talent wise Nick is at the top of the heap, that I do know.
 
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renarulz

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Mainad said:
You mean he didn't when he was #2? Yet he considers the current #2 a top player? Now that's what I call discrimination! :mad:;)



The current #1 always had his number when he was still #2. But at the moment, he doesn't seem to have anybody's number with the possible exception of Verdasco! So I guess a future meeting has now become surprisingly interesting!! :cool:
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Wynter

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Must say that when I went to bed only 2 people had voted Kyrgios in 2, myself included and waking up just now it's the leading poll option.

Nostradamus's everywhere o_O
 
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renarulz

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If I'm not mistaken murray was one of the few players that stood up for kyrgios in the past and they are friendly with each other..Is It really a coincidence that he's the only one he hasn't beaten of the big four? Blake alluded to that as well.. perhaps he has a hard time getting up for that matchup.
 
dunlop_fort_knox

dunlop_fort_knox

Professional
Djokovic2011 said:
The Del Potro curse strikes again. :eek: And proof again(if it were needed) of just how fascinating matchups are in tennis. Djokovic is obviously a better player than Kyrgios by a country mile and yet he's lost both matches they've played without even winning a set. On the other hand you have a player like Murray, as great as he is, who isn't as good as Djokovic either and yet he hasn't dropped a set to Kygios in their previous four meetings and seems to handle him fairly comfortably. Perhaps Kyrgios just gets up more for playing Djokovic but as a fan I'd be lying if i said it wasn't extremely frustrating to witness. Oh well, I had a feeling given his incredible consistency here since 2011 that he was due an early round defeat this year and that was reinforced all the more when I saw the draw.
Anyway good luck in the doubles later Novak and here's hoping for a kinder draw in Miami. :)
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no he's not a better player. and got news for you. this match up aint getting any better for the soon to be 30 year old serb.
 
Tennis wizard

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Djokovic2011 said:
Yeah, I definitely thought he played better in Acapulco, his ground game in that match was actually very solid and his only poor patch of play was in the very last game. I have to say though that I never envisaged Novak having so much trouble with Kyrgios' serve - I don't recall even the likes of true servebots a la Karlovic and Isner being such a pain in the ass for him. Absolutely incredible.
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Nick is very different to Karlovic and Isner because he actually has a ground game that puts a lot of pressure on Novak's service hold .. this accumulated pressure seemed to make Novak far more error prone when trying to return serves .

ontop of that Nick is able to hit the lines consistently on serve .. and those 2nd serves were sometimes more powerful than the first.
 
veroniquem

veroniquem

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So far, same script as Acapulco. That means Nick will lose next round :(
It sucks to have the same draw twice in a row... (And potentially same outcome)
 
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veroniquem

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Djokovic2011 said:
You don't think Djokovic is a better player than Kyrgios?! :oops:
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KG has massive talent, tons of potential. His main problems are physical (too tall, prone to injuries) and mental ( extremely volatile when things don't go his way) but in terms of raw talent, he's up there with the best.
 
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insideguy

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Nick played great. But it just seems that Novak is moving in slow motion since the French. Against everyone. There doesnt seem to be any passion to his game at all.
 
hugobosstachini

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Djokovic really needs to start working on an effective slice block return like Murray or Federer. You can't return 126 serves with a full swing like it's some softball. He struggled against Roddick in the same way. While he has the best return with classic strokes he's one of the worst with sliced block returns. There are many strokes for instance where he went for a full swing when a player like Murray would have blocked slice effectively and started the rally.
 
dunlop_fort_knox

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veroniquem said:
KG has massive talent, tons of potential. His main problems are physical (too tall, prone to injuries) and mental ( extremely volatile when things don't go his way) but in terms of raw talent, he's up there with the best.
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not too tall. great mover. if anyone is too tall it's your german boy. he looks to be a plodder...
 
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Djokovic2011 said:
The Del Potro curse strikes again. :eek: And proof again(if it were needed) of just how fascinating matchups are in tennis. Djokovic is obviously a better player than Kyrgios by a country mile and yet he's lost both matches they've played without even winning a set. On the other hand you have a player like Murray, as great as he is, who isn't as good as Djokovic either and yet he hasn't dropped a set to Kygios in their previous four meetings and seems to handle him fairly comfortably. Perhaps Kyrgios just gets up more for playing Djokovic but as a fan I'd be lying if i said it wasn't extremely frustrating to witness. Oh well, I had a feeling given his incredible consistency here since 2011 that he was due an early round defeat this year and that was reinforced all the more when I saw the draw.
Anyway good luck in the doubles later Novak and here's hoping for a kinder draw in Miami. :)
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You mean one without Kyrgios? ;)
 
dunlop_fort_knox

dunlop_fort_knox

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hugobosstachini said:
Djokovic really needs to start working on an effective slice block return like Murray or Federer. You can't return 126 serves with a full swing like it's some softball. He struggled against Roddick in the same way. While he has the best return with classic strokes he's one of the worst with sliced block returns. There are many strokes for instance where he went for a full swing when a player like Murray would have blocked slice effectively and started the rally.
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very good point especailly against a guy who stays back. he did not get enough returns into play. fed may just block the ball back and change the entire dynamic of the match. fed could slice and dice him and get him to freak out. it's all match ups. fed knows how to deal with ball bashers.
 
dunlop_fort_knox

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veroniquem said:
They're both above ideal height for tennis but KG has already struggled with injuries quite a bit.
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it's hard to say if he was injured or simply just tanking or not interested. NK is a way better mover than AZ and his height makes his serve leathal. his height is not a liability whatsoever. And djokovic could not hit through him or around him. changing of the guard. I have never heard of height causing injuries. That would be news to isner and karlovic.
 
Djokovic2011

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dunlop_fort_knox said:
very good point especailly against a guy who stays back. he did not get enough returns into play. fed may just block the ball back and change the entire dynamic of the match. fed could slice and dice him and get him to freak out. It's all match ups. fed knows how to deal with ball bashers.
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Which is exactly what I said in my original post so why did you disagree with me? :confused:
 
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