Nadal is in Federer's quarter and Murray's half at Wimbledon 2013 !

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
It's actually worse this way.

Beating Murray and then Djokovic is harder than beating Djokovic and then Murray.

No it isn't. It is about match-ups. Djokovic is the challenging match-up for Nadal regardless of whichever other players he has to play before or after Djokovic. I don't understand people's logic here.
 

Crisstti

Legend
Well, that is just an awful draw for Rafa. And for Fed.

Maybe it would have been better to play Novak in the quarters, with the RG match fresh and not having played two tough matches before.

BTW Towser, that is a beautiful pic of your dog.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Well, that is just an awful draw for Rafa. And for Fed.

Maybe it would have been better to play Novak in the quarters, with the RG match fresh and not having played two tough matches before.

BTW Towser, that is a beautiful pic of your dog.

Yep, it is a nightmare draw though for Nadal he was going to draw Fed, Djokovic, Murray or Ferrer. I see your point Djokovic in the quarters could be better but on the other hand I think Fed will be an easier match than Djokovic or maybe even Murray. Sadly Nadal being 5 has made a hard draw very likely. Fed had a one in 4 chance of Rafa and it happened... though Berd, Tsong and Delpo would all also be no certainty. Djokovic looks to have aperfect draw but will have to be wary still. Murray could have a great shot if he wins his semi.

thank you Crisstti, she is my new pup that i'm bringing home in another 4 weeks (she's only 4 weeks old at the moment) She is of the same line as my previous dog who I still really miss, so glad to be bringing home a related pup :)
 
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Crisstti

Legend
Yep, it is a nightmare draw though for Nadal he was going to draw Fed, Djokovic, Murray or Ferrer. I see your point Djokovic in the quarters could be better but on the other hand I think Fed will be an easier match than Djokovic or maybe even Murray. Sadly Nadal being 5 has made a hard draw very likely. Fed had a one in 4 chance of Rafa and it happened... though Berd, Tsong and Delpo would all also be no certainty. Djokovic looks to have aperfect draw but will have to be wary still. Murray could have a great shot if he wins his semi.

thank you Crisstti, she is my new pup that i'm bringing home in another 4 weeks (she's only 4 weeks old at the moment) She is of the same line as my previous dog who I still really miss, so glad to be bringing home a related pup :)

Fed should be an easier match (no guarantee though, especially if they play with the roof), but if Rafa wins, and wins the semi, he would still have to play Novak.

I had thought it was your previous dog. Is it a she or a he?. I was at my sister's yesterday meeting her new dog, she's about three months old and just wanted to be on our arms all day long :)
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Fed should be an easier match (no guarantee though, especially if they play with the roof), but if Rafa wins, and wins the semi, he would still have to play Novak.

I had thought it was your previous dog. Is it a she or a he?. I was at my sister's yesterday meeting her new dog, she's about three months old and just wanted to be on our arms all day long :)

Yeah, I guess with Murray number 2, Nadal is alway likely to have to play Djokovic sometime though (unless Fed repeated his win over Novak from last year) but you may be right that it would be better to play Djokovic early on. Who knows, but it will really be a tough path if Nadal (or Federer) won the title.

The new pup is a she (like my previous dog, Bella) Haven't decided a name yet, she's just Miss Red at the moment (the pups are colour coded with their collars) I feel bad about getting a new puppy when Bella died 8 weeks ago but it's not to replace her, I just really miss having a dog and want one related to my Bella. It's the same breed of course so the miss Red looks exactly like Bella did as a pup.

That'scute about your sister's new dog, they're very cute when they want to be cuddled all day.I can't wait til another 4 weeks and I get my pup home!
 

bullfan

Legend
Yeah, I guess with Murray number 2, Nadal is alway likely to have to play Djokovic sometime though (unless Fed repeated his win over Novak from last year) but you may be right that it would be better to play Djokovic early on. Who knows, but it will really be a tough path if Nadal (or Federer) won the title.

The new pup is a she (like my previous dog, Bella) Haven't decided a name yet, she's just Miss Red at the moment (the pups are colour coded with their collars) I feel bad about getting a new puppy when Bella died 8 weeks ago but it's not to replace her, I just really miss having a dog and want one related to my Bella. It's the same breed of course so the miss Red looks exactly like Bella did as a pup.

That'scute about your sister's new dog, they're very cute when they want to be cuddled all day.I can't wait til another 4 weeks and I get my pup home!

Cute puppy. I understand. My dog is closing in on 13, and the last month has been a steady downhill. It's breaking my heart, but he's on borrowed time, and it's killing me determining the best time to let him go.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Cute puppy. I understand. My dog is closing in on 13, and the last month has been a steady downhill. It's breaking my heart, but he's on borrowed time, and it's killing me determining the best time to let him go.

aw man, I feel for you :( That's a tough choice. In a way we were lucky because Bella died of a lump that was pressing on an artery and eventually it burst and she went quite quickly. We found out after she died but there would have been no way it could have been removed anyway, due to where it was. She was active right up til the last day and she went at home instead of a vets office. I know some people think I'm being over the top in the sadness I've been feeling but she was with me from when I was still a teenager and she was the centre of the family, brought us alltogether.

So now signing up for all this sadness again by getting a new puppy, but also signing up for alot of joy and happiness.
 

bullfan

Legend
aw man, I feel for you :( That's a tough choice. In a way we were lucky because Bella died of a lump that was pressing on an artery and eventually it burst and she went quite quickly. We found out after she died but there would have been no way it could have been removed anyway, due to where it was. She was active right up til the last day and she went at home instead of a vets office. I know some people think I'm being over the top in the sadness I've been feeling but she was with me from when I was still a teenager and she was the centre of the family, brought us alltogether.

So now signing up for all this sadness again by getting a new puppy, but also signing up for alot of joy and happiness.

Yea, when Trooper was a baby, I found out he had dysplasia, he's a lab mix, and just thought he'd be like James Dean. Of course, that was before I understood how much it would hurt, living in denial. He's had a great life, and when the time comes my vet said he'd come to the house so I plan on giving him a best last day before he's miserable. We actually had one recently, where he couldn't walk, but he rebounded on his best last day, and by the time the vet showed up, he was walking again. That's when the vet suggested the harness. I've had to come to accept that Trooper can go out with a smile, or I can wait until he's totally miserable, which I can't bear to see.

We're sitting out in the courtyard, and he's busy looking for folks to schmooze or bunny rabbits to watch!

Pets are just so awesome! I wish you all the best with your new puppy!
 

Crisstti

Legend
aw man, I feel for you :( That's a tough choice. In a way we were lucky because Bella died of a lump that was pressing on an artery and eventually it burst and she went quite quickly. We found out after she died but there would have been no way it could have been removed anyway, due to where it was. She was active right up til the last day and she went at home instead of a vets office. I know some people think I'm being over the top in the sadness I've been feeling but she was with me from when I was still a teenager and she was the centre of the family, brought us alltogether.

So now signing up for all this sadness again by getting a new puppy, but also signing up for alot of joy and happiness.

That is just the way it is... sometimes it seems totally worth it and sometimes it seems just too hard to take...

Don't let anyone tell you you're being over the top. They don't know what they're talking about.

Bullfan, really sorry to hear about your dog.
I myself have never had a pet euthanized. And to even take them to the vet when it seems like they're close to dying... both times I've done it they've insisted I leave them there, that there's a chance, only for them to die over there instead of home (in one case they actually did absolutely nothing other than keep the cat in the carrying box), so I don't think I'm doing that again.
I have a 15, close to 16 year old dog. He seems fine enough, but is now I think completely blind and deaf as well.
 

Candide

Hall of Fame
Nightmarish draw for Federer. However, he overcame a horror draw last year as well. He's always a chance but it is a mountain he has to climb.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
Nightmarish draw for Federer. However, he overcame a horror draw last year as well. He's always a chance but it is a mountain he has to climb.

Last year wasn't a horror draw for him. Nadal is the only guy that is a horror match up for him in majors. This year he potentially has to go through him...
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
how come you consider him the grass goat?i mean you are entitled to your opinion but i also think you are right. objectively speaking federer beats sampras at everything on grass. nr of titles, nr of wimby finals, 5 in a row, 7 finals in a row etc. what i don' t like is that sampras won his last wimby title without facing a single top 20 player. roger never had this luxury

I think he proved it last year.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Yeah, I guess with Murray number 2, Nadal is alway likely to have to play Djokovic sometime though (unless Fed repeated his win over Novak from last year) but you may be right that it would be
better to play Djokovic early on. Who knows, but it will really be a tough path if Nadal (or Federer) won the title.

!
I expect Nadal to be back to #2 after grass season, so the aberration won't have lasted too long after all.
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
Nadal has beaten Murray at 4 slams in a row (including 2 Wimbledons), and Nadal has between Federer at 5 slams in a row (1 Wimbledon, 2 Australian Opens, 2 Roland Garros). Nadal the clear favorite to make the final now that his knee is 100% (according to post-RG assessment).
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Well, that is just an awful draw for Rafa. And for Fed.

Maybe it would have been better to play Novak in the quarters, with the RG match fresh and not having played two tough matches before.

BTW Towser, that is a beautiful pic of your dog.
You cannot be serious! Sorry but ******* (who hasn't beaten Rafa in a slam since 2007, so 6 years and counting) and Murray (whom Rafa has already dispatched 3 times at W) are better matchups for Rafa on any surface. The worst possible draw for Rafa would have been Djoko in quarter.
The only thing I don't like about Rafa's draw is Isner. I hope he won't make it to 4th round.
Of course, Fed and Murray is not an easy draw either, I agree but it's not worse than Djoko in quarter. There is another reason why Djoko in quarter was bad. Ranking. If Rafa lost to Djoko in quarter, he would not gain many points whereas even if he lost to Djoko in final (thinking about worse case scenarios here), he would still gain massive amount of points. + a lot of Nadalovic matches are epics. Obviously better to to go through the most taxing match (physically and mentally) at the end than in the middle.
The best draw for Rafa would have been Murray in semi and Fed on Djoko's side. I think we can all agree on that. So this is not the best possible draw for sure but it's definitely not the worst either.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
You cannot be serious! Sorry but ******* (who hasn't beaten Rafa in a slam since 2007, so 6 years and counting) and Murray (whom Rafa has already dispatched 3 times at W) are better matchups for Rafa on any surface. The worst possible draw for Rafa would have been Djoko in quarter.
The only thing I don't like about Rafa's draw is Isner. I hope he won't make it to 4th round.
Of course, Fed and Murray is not an easy draw either, I agree but it's not worse than Djoko in quarter. There is another reason why Djoko in quarter was bad. Ranking. If Rafa lost to Djoko in quarter, he would not gain many points whereas even if he lost to Djoko in final (thinking about worse case scenarios here), he would still gain massive amount of points. + a lot of Nadalovic matches are epics. Obviously better to to go through the most taxing match (physically and mentally) at the end than in the middle.
The best draw for Rafa would have been Murray in semi and Fed on Djoko's side. I think we can all agree on that. So this is not the best possible draw for sure but it's definitely not the worst either.
i think fed can.beat nadal on grass. after all the grass is not totally worn out out like in the final. it is a faster and a lower bouncing surface so it suits federer's game. grass is no slow hards or clay and federer has won 7 titles on it beating everybody. and i think he knows pretty well that he has no chance of winning the tourney but i think he will give it his all just for the sake of sweet revenge
 

fednad

Hall of Fame
You cannot be serious! Sorry but ******* (who hasn't beaten Rafa in a slam since 2007, so 6 years and counting) and Murray (whom Rafa has already dispatched 3 times at W) are better matchups for Rafa on any surface. The worst possible draw for Rafa would have been Djoko in quarter.
The only thing I don't like about Rafa's draw is Isner. I hope he won't make it to 4th round.
Of course, Fed and Murray is not an easy draw either, I agree but it's not worse than Djoko in quarter. There is another reason why Djoko in quarter was bad. Ranking. If Rafa lost to Djoko in quarter, he would not gain many points whereas even if he lost to Djoko in final (thinking about worse case scenarios here), he would still gain massive amount of points. + a lot of Nadalovic matches are epics. Obviously better to to go through the most taxing match (physically and mentally) at the end than in the middle.
The best draw for Rafa would have been Murray in semi and Fed on Djoko's side. I think we can all agree on that. So this is not the best possible draw for sure but it's definitely not the worst either.

When you use *******, use ****** for your butt picker boy....
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
You cannot be serious! Sorry but ******* (who hasn't beaten Rafa in a slam since 2007, so 6 years and counting) and Murray (whom Rafa has already dispatched 3 times at W) are better matchups for Rafa on any surface. The worst possible draw for Rafa would have been Djoko in quarter.
The only thing I don't like about Rafa's draw is Isner. I hope he won't make it to 4th round.
Of course, Fed and Murray is not an easy draw either, I agree but it's not worse than Djoko in quarter. There is another reason why Djoko in quarter was bad. Ranking. If Rafa lost to Djoko in quarter, he would not gain many points whereas even if he lost to Djoko in final (thinking about worse case scenarios here), he would still gain massive amount of points. + a lot of Nadalovic matches are epics. Obviously better to to go through the most taxing match (physically and mentally) at the end than in the middle.
The best draw for Rafa would have been Murray in semi and Fed on Djoko's side. I think we can all agree on that. So this is not the best possible draw for sure but it's definitely not the worst either.

Definitely I agree. And notice how the 2 Fedal meetings this year featured very short points. They played longer rallies in the past but this year it looks like Federer is committed to ending the points very quickly (with an error or winner) and also Nadal was hitting lots of aggressive backhands in the Indian Wells match especially. So I doubt their QF at Wimbledon will be too taxing. And yep, a Djokovic match is completely taxing (and a Murray match has long rallies).
 

Crisstti

Legend
Nadal has beaten Murray at 4 slams in a row (including 2 Wimbledons), and Nadal has between Federer at 5 slams in a row (1 Wimbledon, 2 Australian Opens, 2 Roland Garros). Nadal the clear favorite to make the final now that his knee is 100% (according to post-RG assessment).

I agree, but what about the final?, he could get there after two tough 5 setters while Djokovic will have played Ferrer.

I don't think anyone has used "100%" to describe his knee.

You cannot be serious! Sorry but ******* (who hasn't beaten Rafa in a slam since 2007, so 6 years and counting) and Murray (whom Rafa has already dispatched 3 times at W) are better matchups for Rafa on any surface. The worst possible draw for Rafa would have been Djoko in quarter.
The only thing I don't like about Rafa's draw is Isner. I hope he won't make it to 4th round.
Of course, Fed and Murray is not an easy draw either, I agree but it's not worse than Djoko in quarter. There is another reason why Djoko in quarter was bad. Ranking. If Rafa lost to Djoko in quarter, he would not gain many points whereas even if he lost to Djoko in final (thinking about worse case scenarios here), he would still gain massive amount of points. + a lot of Nadalovic matches are epics. Obviously better to to go through the most taxing match (physically and mentally) at the end than in the middle.
The best draw for Rafa would have been Murray in semi and Fed on Djoko's side. I think we can all agree on that. So this is not the best possible draw for sure but it's definitely not the worst either.

Oh, I am serious. That they haven't beat him in a slam in a while doesn't mean they can't, and he still has to play Djokovic, only that after two tough matches.
I don't know if Novak in the quarters would have been worse. In that case he'd only have to beat two top players to win the title, and the other player would probably be coming from a tough match himself.
If Rafa beat Novak in the quarter, then it was particularly good for his ranking.
 

Clarky21

Banned
I agree, but what about the final?, he could get there after two tough 5 setters while Djokovic will have played Ferrer.

I don't think anyone has used "100%" to describe his knee.



Oh, I am serious. That they haven't beat him in a slam in a while doesn't mean they can't, and he still has to play Djokovic, only that after two tough matches.
I don't know if Novak in the quarters would have been worse. In that case he'd only have to beat two top players to win the title, and the other player would probably be coming from a tough match himself.
If Rafa beat Novak in the quarter, then it was particularly good for his ranking.


Well, Nadal is saying(again) that his knee is bothering him, and that Wimby is the hardest tournament for his knee. I wish this dude would make up his mind because I distinctly remember him saying that hard courts hurt his knee the most. Wimby is going to be a gigantic flop for Nadal, that much is obvious.
 

Crisstti

Legend
Well, Nadal is saying(again) that his knee is bothering him, and that Wimby is the hardest tournament for his knee. I wish this dude would make up his mind because I distinctly remember him saying that hard courts hurt his knee the most. Wimby is going to be a gigantic flop for Nadal, that much is obvious.

He might well mean playing on hc does more damage to his knee but it's harder to play well on grass because he needs to bend his knees more.

Nope, not obvious at all.
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
I agree, but what about the final?, he could get there after two tough 5 setters while Djokovic will have played Ferrer.

I don't think anyone has used "100%" to describe his knee.

Nadal said that his doctor did every test on his knee and found it to be 100% this year for the first time in many years. He said his knee is now in better shape than his "good knee". And after Roland Garros he said his knee hadn't changed according to his doctor. Nadal was limping early in the clay season but his doctor insisted that it was only recovery pain and that his tendons are 100%. That doctor was 100% correct. Nadal moved better in the Roland Garros final than he moved last year. Some nerves (playing for the history of eight) cost him the 4th set, but 22 winners in the 5th set is the best form he's ever produced at Roland Garros and against the best opponent he's ever faced.

In the past at Wimbledon Murray has either lost in straight sets to Nadal, or Murray has taken a set and lost the other sets quickly. So I don't like Murray's chances of taking it to 5 sets. Also I think Murray has huge pressure on himself, whereas Nadal is as high as a kite, has no points to defend, and is probably more enthused about tennis than any of the other top 4 guys, due to Nadal's long absence.

Based on what I saw of Federer in Halle, I don't think Federer will take a set from Nadal at Wimbledon (if Nadal plays at a similar level to his 2012 Rosol match level, in which Nadal served 19 aces and didn't make many errors).

I don't give Djokovic a chance of winning Wimbledon. He'll either get royally baitch-slapped by Nadal or will lose to Berdych/Haas/Del Potro. Nadal broke that clown's spirit at Roland Garros, after Djokovic had insisted that he had the answers to beating Nadal, basically talking up the Monte Carlo win like it was the only factor.
 
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cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Well, Nadal is saying(again) that his knee is bothering him, and that Wimby is the hardest tournament for his knee. I wish this dude would make up his mind because I distinctly remember him saying that hard courts hurt his knee the most. Wimby is going to be a gigantic flop for Nadal, that much is obvious.

What else is new! :) Stop falling for that BS, you are smarter than that!
 

Clarky21

Banned
What else is new! :) Stop falling for that BS, you are smarter than that!

Yeah, I know. It's getting to be very difficult to believe any of this crap anymore from him. Hopefully he loses early and gets put out of his misery at Wimby.
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
What else is new! :) Stop falling for that BS, you are smarter than that!

Plus he doesn't even read. Fact is Nadal has been thrilled about his knee since Roland Garros, because his doctor told him that no damage has been found since Roland Garros. He's been getting stronger every month since February when all tests showed his knee tendons were 100% healthy, and his doctor told him that any recovery pain would go away eventually.
 

Clarky21

Banned
I don't think he is going to lose early this time.

I don't know about that. There's a very good chance he could lose early to some random mug like he did last year. It would almost be better than getting an *** whipping in the quarters or the semis.
 
J

JRAJ1988

Guest
Other than Isner who else really has a game which bases itself along the offensive hard hitting/hard serving player in Nadal's draw? He'll get to the Quarter Finals vs Federer but I can say who'll win, I know I'll be watching it.
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
I have my doubts over whether Djokovic will ever come back from the tragic Roland Garros final. The emotional scarring of Djokovic being unable to keep his promise to his former coach (even after leading 4-2 in the 5th set), is likely too much. I'd say Nadal has broken that camel for life.
 

President

Legend
I don't know about that. There's a very good chance he could lose early to some random mug like he did last year. It would almost be better than getting an *** whipping in the quarters or the semis.

Why the hell would Nadal get his *** beat in the quarters? Even you can't anti-jinx that much, Nadal's form right now is >>>> Roger's and he's always been a bad match up for him anyway.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
i think fed can.beat nadal on grass. after all the grass is not totally worn out out like in the final. it is a faster and a lower bouncing surface so it suits federer's game. grass is no slow hards or clay and federer has won 7 titles on it beating everybody. and i think he knows pretty well that he has no chance of winning the tourney but i think he will give it his all just for the sake of sweet revenge
It will be interesting to see another grass match between them anyway. Rafa will be the heavy favorite (on form) but I would expect Fed to be a bit more comfortable on grass vs Rafa than on any other outdoor surface.
 

Crisstti

Legend
You don't have to fall for my "bs" just as I don't have to fall for the Nadal camp injury bs. See how that works? ;)

Just calling it like it is.

Your "opinion" about Rafa's injuries don't have the same weight than what he says about them though, however much you'd like to think it does.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Just calling it like it is.

Your "opinion" about Rafa's injuries don't have the same weight than what he says about them though, however much you'd like to think it does.

Maybe to you but you are a Rafa sycophant so your opinion has no weight for me on this matter.
 
Just calling it like it is.

Your "opinion" about Rafa's injuries don't have the same weight than what he says about them though, however much you'd like to think it does.

Maybe to you but you are a Rafa sycophant so your opinion has no weight for me on this matter.

All your opinions do not bear any weight, in a grand scheme of things, as far as Nadal is concerned. Pure fanboyism at its best. Makes me laugh tho', so carry on.............:twisted:
 
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