Prime vs. prime is subjective. The only objective info is the record. All else is conjecture.
Prime Hewitt beats prime Djokovic on HC.
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Prime vs. prime is subjective. The only objective info is the record. All else is conjecture.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Not going to bother to vote. Prime Djokovic > prime Hewitt overall at USO. But prime Hewitt beats him if he's not playing at that actual prime level. USO 10, USO 12 final in wind, USO 13, USO 14 semi, USO 16.
But keep going with Hewitt is a pusher and nishi was so much more aggressive narrative to cover your hurt at your delusions being exposed.
Sorry, I proved Hewitt of USO 05 semi was just as aggressive as nishi of USO 14 semi with them having similar% of winners per points (15.5-15.6)
Yeah, 14 slower, but federer hits a higher% of winners than djoko which cuts down opponent winner%. So it evens out.
Oh wait, I am not sorry. Nonsense propaganda like that deserves to be exposed.
JoelSandwich
Hall of Fame
Don’t see this as delusional at allPrime Hewitt beats Djokovic at the USO in 10, 12 final, 13, 14 and 16.
Djokovic not top 3 at the USO achievements wise or level wise.
Deal with it.
Most of those tournament runs were solid but nothing more
14 and 16 def lose they sucked
12 could win before the final but otherwise eh if Murray could then Hewitt or Roddick have a shot too
13 was good for 2 sets and bad for 2 others so def beatable
10 was solid but beatable
11 and 15 Djokovic def win but it wouldn’t be easy
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Nowhere near as ridiculous as the idiot the OP has called out...
Hewitt would pummel Novak in each of those USO editions what a load of crap... he'd beat 2014 and 2016 versions and have a good chance against 2012 version. He's not beating 2010, 2011, 2013 & 2015 Novak.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Well, no one really brings those up when talking about prime Djoker in the first place. But peak Hewitt absolutely could have beaten those versions of Djoker. 2007 Djokovic would push him the hardest but his mental strength is too questionable to close such a hypothetical match out imo.Oh yes, leave out Novak's 07, 08 and 09 USO level... wonder why...
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
2012 Djoker was on a fairly similar level to 2010 and 2013 at the USO finals (pre-final he was clearly better. Wind screwed him up bigly there though.
You never actually saw Hewitt play, did you?
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
The wind is the only reason I'd give Hewitt a chance.
You don't know that guy as well as I do...
It was deliberate that he left those preceding years out...
Bamoos
Semi-Pro
04-07 weak era
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, I've read plenty of your old dialogues with him. Probably best to just leave it at this before the storm.
abmk
Bionic Poster
You can tell the disordered_one @The_Order (whom I have on ignore) that I never said Hewitt would pummel all those versions of Novak at the USO. backhand dtl is a lying clueless, sore fellow.
He said 14 USO nishi would easily beat prime Hewitt at the USO. I said Hewitt would beat that Nishi. I also said Hewitt would pummel that djoko in response to his nonsense about 14 USO nishi being a lock vs prime Hewitt at the USO
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Nobody cares @abmk ...
You've been trying to push this whole Federer had it tougher crap for about a decade now. Apart from your fellow brethren, no one took you seriously then and nobody is going to take you seriously now either.
Everybody knows Novak is a much tougher customer at the US Open than Hewitt was... cherry picking versions to suit your agenda will get you nowhere...
You've been trying to push this whole Federer had it tougher crap for about a decade now. Apart from your fellow brethren, no one took you seriously then and nobody is going to take you seriously now either.
Everybody knows Novak is a much tougher customer at the US Open than Hewitt was... cherry picking versions to suit your agenda will get you nowhere...
Bamoos
Semi-Pro
Nuance and subtlety is lost on some posters brother.
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03-07 weak era?
08- strong era?
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Bamoos
Semi-Pro
Wait brother.You're an idiot...
which alt account is this
03-07
Weak era?
but 08
strong era?
PLZ ADVISE
Can I join the expert tennis club.
bagdhatis, Philippusis, Roddick, Gonzalez, Blake =weak era
Bamoos
Semi-Pro
Yes brother. Mighty Titan 2013 Novak with his unforced errors and his languish style of play PEAK strong era?
Or???
Bamoos
Semi-Pro
sredna42
Hall of Fame
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
Agree. I have seen Hewitt hitting a running crosscourt forehand at 15-30 in a Rotterdam match against Gonzalez of such quality that Djokovic can't even imagine. Hewitt was always going to mop the floor with Djokovic on any HC. Not only on hard courts but also on clay courts as well if clay was hard eough.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Lol - whilst not one of Djokers fan boys I have to be gracious to admit that at his peak he was an unstoppable force. Hewitt was a fine player but Djoker takes him, on any surface.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Here's a direct stat comparison Djoker vs Hewitt. Read what you like into it and what their comparative abilities were at Peak level.
| Player | Novak Djokovic | Lleyton Hewitt |
| Career record | 934–192 (82.9%) | 616–262 70.2% |
| Career titles | 81 | 30 |
| Highest ranking | No. 1 - current, approaching all time longest | No. 1 - 19/11/2001 |
| Slam Finals | 27, (17 wins) | 4, (2 wins) |
| Australian Open | W (2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2019, 2020) | F (2005) |
| French Open | W (2016) | QF (2001, 2004) |
| Wimbledon | W (2011, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2019) | W (2002) |
| US Open | W (2011, 2015, 2018) | W (2001) |
| Tour Finals | W (2008, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015) | W (2001, 2002) |
| Olympic Games | Bronze medal (2008) | 3R (2012) |
| Masters 1000 Finals | 52, (36 wins) | 7, (2 wins) |
| Masters 500 Finals | 17, (14 wins) | 2, (2 wins) |
| Masters 250 Finals | 13, (9 wins) | 30, (22 wins) |
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Here is Djokers H2H with Hewitt. Djoker 6-1with Hewitts win being against 19 year old Novak. That grass at Queens is not slow.
| Year | Event | RND | Winner |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2012 | London Olympics Great Britain | Outdoor Hard R16 | Novak Djokovic 46 75 61 |
| 2012 | Australian Open Australia | Outdoor Hard R16 | Novak Djokovic 61 63 46 63 |
| 2010 | Wimbledon Great Britain | Outdoor Grass R16 | Novak Djokovic 75 64 36 64 |
| 2008 | London / Queen's Club Great Britain | Outdoor Grass QF | Novak Djokovic 62 62 |
| 2008 | Australian Open Australia | Outdoor Hard R16 | Novak Djokovic 75 63 63 |
| 2007 | Wimbledon Great Britain | Outdoor Grass R16 | Novak Djokovic 768 762 46 765 |
| 2006 | US Open NY, U.S.A. | Outdoor Hard R32 | Lleyton Hewitt 63 61 62 |
Tenacity
Hall of Fame
But, but Hewitt played in the strongest era EVER and he also had 2 GOAT candidates fighting alongside him. Djokovic is just another MUG. Clearly Hewitt>Djokovic peak for peak, prime for prime, weak era for weak era etc.
What a bunch of moronic posts, so laughable to read.
Actually comparing Djokovic to someone like Hewitt.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Having 3 teenage sons does help with these sort of posts - Lol. Just waiting for the backlash.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
It's nice that post-post-prime Hewitt gave prime Djokovic a scare at the lolympix.
killerboss
Professional
This is the problem with talks of prime/peak. I have a theory that most number 1s playing at their prime could beat anyone on a good day. You should look at players entire career if you are going to compare them.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
That head to head is very scary. Djoker beating Hew in his own backyard a couple of times.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Accounting for Djokovic being closer to peak/prime than Hewitt in all of their matches except the first one, Hewitt pushing Djokovic repeatedly on grass speaks well for him.
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
yeah.. scaring once carry more weightage than being crushed million times..
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Their 07/10 WB matches were close calls as well, Hewitt wasn't clutch enough though. That was a problem in his later career but not so much in prime when he had the physical tools.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Agree with that - its when you have two no1s at their peak in a theoretical match up - its all subjective so we need to look at the data. It is easy for both sides to cherry pick examples of favourable scenarios.
RS
Bionic Poster
Djokovic has been known to get tight against lesser players multiple times even in prime years. Final to Final is the way to compare.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Hewitt is greater than Murray and Wawrinka at the USO, indeed.
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
of course I did. But claiming that prime Djokovic is not a fighter is delusional.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Another highly hypothetical peak/prime/shmeep thread?
Prime Hewitt is a fictional character from TTW. Turned into mythic proportions by FedArmy soldiers.
Djokovic at his best is superior to Hewitt.
Prime Hewitt is a fictional character from TTW. Turned into mythic proportions by FedArmy soldiers.
Djokovic at his best is superior to Hewitt.
In fact prime Hewitt is worse player than prime Djokovic in general but really bad matchup for Novak same as Nalbandian. Djokovic mostly pushes the ball back and waits for UEs which won’t happen against these two. It would be similar match to him against Medvedev. So, these two players are worse career wise but the matches against Djokovic would be probably very hard fought 5 setters.
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
Hahahaha
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Just say you don't like Djokovic or declare yourself USO2 and be done with it. I can't believe what I just read. More mentally strong than Djokovic? Beating prime Federer? When? I guess I missed that during his 0 for 15 run in Federer's peak and prime years. You're becoming a meme at this point.
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
bold of you to assume he wasn’t always a meme
Bamoos
Semi-Pro
3-5 in US open finals. Losses to Murray, Nishikori and Wawrinka at peak. Owned by both Federer and Nadal at their primes. Numbers don’t lie bud.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Which has nothing to do with my post, and they owned him in their primes? Uh no. Was 2011 not Nadal's prime? You can sit down now.
I didn't vote.
Bamoos
Semi-Pro
2-1 in USO finals to Nadal bud, with Novak avoiding 2017/2019 Nadal too.
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