When leaded up, though, it becomes a different creature.
I found the PP100P a bit wobbly and harsh on off center hits with a smaller than expected sweet spot too. Adding head tape helped fix most of those problems. I still like the 93p better though I thought the PP100P was better at slicing and at the net...
some slight elbowish pain
Excellent advice and as soon I’m set up I’ll let you know how the different string setups work. Issue I’m having now is I live in Bangkok and they are not selling prince rackets here anymore. I will prob order from overseas at some point but customs duties can be anywhere from reasonable to ridiculous in Thailand. Thanks again for all your input. Great thread !!Ericg thanks. I am happy to hear that you are enjoying this thread. I like X-One a lot and find it is a great string in a fullbed if you hit with moderate topspin or flat. I would start by stringing X-One at between 50 to 55 lbs. If you hybrid, then try stringing the poly at about 2 lbs less. Some pros like to string both hybrid strings with the same tension. Each player will differ because of personal taste and style. I am an all-court player who loves to use touch, so I string fullbed multi at 45lbs . This may be too soft for some but it is perfect for me. I don't use poly's because of their stiffer nature. When I played college and sectionals I used fullbed natural gut. The closest I get to a poly is HDX which is one of my favorites. I guess I just really like Technifibre multi's, they are really good quality strings that just don't compromise quality. If you want to try a fullbed of RPM blast start low, around 45 lbs. Let me know how this works for you. A lot of choosing a new setup has a lot to do with personal preference and experimenting. What I have suggested is just that, a suggestion. You might also want to reverse a hybrid setup to find out which setup is best for your style of play.
ok so i finally demo'd the 100p and it is totally awesome! super fast at net also.
even tho i am very small petite framed. i expected this racket to not be suited for me as i don't have much power to offer. but i actually found my backhand and my serve to be more powerful then my OS frame.
i am very consistent with this racket and i can really swing freely with this racket as it doesn't lag behind during the swing and feels apart of me.
actually serving really hard also which surprises me..
i did notice some slight elbowish pain but i think thats because i was actually really going all out with this racket and can do full swings and not hold back.
pains gone tho just was some occasional pain during the match i noticed.. not enough to stop. just a "yeah i notice you"
i actually want to buy this racket! and a 2nd!
i'll need to ask what string the demo had tho..
i think i should go with the same setup.. maybe 2 rackets at say "initial tension string setup" and 5 lower then that on other racket due to demo having being used a lot?
or maybe 2nd racket should have a entirely different string setup?
not sure what to do
I'm looking for input from those who've played with both PP100 and PP100P. Which frame do you think plays better weighted up? The 93P is my day to day to racquet and I play with it stock. I'm used to the weight and balance of the 93P and I'm also okay with the lack of power because I get control in return and can really swing out without fear of sending the ball against the fence. A weighted PP100 or PP100P would have to play similar, but give me more margin for error. The 93" head can be challenging on "off" days and returning big serves. The ultra low RA of the PP100 is enticing, but it's built completely different from the 93P while the PP100P has the same box beam design.
ok so i finally demo'd the 100p and it is totally awesome! super fast at net also.
even tho i am very small petite framed. i expected this racket to not be suited for me as i don't have much power to offer. but i actually found my backhand and my serve to be more powerful then my OS frame.
i am very consistent with this racket and i can really swing freely with this racket as it doesn't lag behind during the swing and feels apart of me.
actually serving really hard also which surprises me..
i did notice some slight elbowish pain but i think thats because i was actually really going all out with this racket and can do full swings and not hold back.
pains gone tho just was some occasional pain during the match i noticed.. not enough to stop. just a "yeah i notice you"
i actually want to buy this racket! and a 2nd!
i'll need to ask what string the demo had tho..
i think i should go with the same setup.. maybe 2 rackets at say "initial tension string setup" and 5 lower then that on other racket due to demo having being used a lot?
or maybe 2nd racket should have a entirely different string setup?
not sure what to do
I have not played the PP100, but I am wondering why you would consider it, if what you are looking for is a 93P with more tolerance / ease of play. The PP100P seems the obvious choice considering it has the same box beam construction, similar stiffness and swingweight. I think you'd have to customize the PP100 a lot more in terms of adding lead to get the SW closer to 330, and even then the feel / response might require a bigger adjustment from the 93P, seeing that the flex rating is markedly lower.
I held both racquets in a shop last week, and it was really a no brainer that the PP100P was the way to go when looking for a complement to the 93P. Having bought it and tested it over the weekend, I can happily report that it is everything I wanted, and required minimal adjustment when transitioning from the 93P. I added just a little bit of lead a 3 and 9 (1g each) to get a little more stability and plow through, and it played like a dream.
Thanks. I think you sold me on the PP100P. The string pattern might me a little too open for me, but I could counteract it using 16g string. Which may wind up being better for tension maintenance and durability.
I play with Phantom Pro 100P. Yes, it is 16x18 but it is not so open. Control is great! I played with 16x19 which are far more open than 16x18 on PhantomThanks. I think you sold me on the PP100P. The string pattern might me a little too open for me, but I could counteract it using 16g string. Which may wind up being better for tension maintenance and durability.
Does anyone know if there'll be a 2019 successor to the PP100P? If it's going to be stiffer then no thanks. I have the TT100P (2015) and the beam is too thick, string pattern too dense, and flex too stiff.
I was really hoping the 2019 model would be more flexible, but Prince went the other way. The PP100P might be my best choice between the PP100P, TT100P (2015) and TT100P (2019) unless anyone else has other suggestions?
Just try X-perience 1.18 at 21/19kg in the Pro 100 and you will find all the power you need!I also had a little bit of arm pain with the 100P, but the Pro 100 was the most comfortable racquet that I've played with.
Similar attributes to the 100P, but it will be less powerful.
If you ask me I don't think the pp100p is too open. The spacing is quite compact which leaves the outer edges quite open.
I'd agree with this. I think someone did a full test, but I've thought the PP100P is a little tighter and even than the P100 and PP100. When I sized them up, the other two seem a little denser in the middle and spread out towards 3 and 9.
I'm looking for input from those who've played with both PP100 and PP100P. Which frame do you think plays better weighted up? The 93P is my day to day to racquet and I play with it stock. I'm used to the weight and balance of the 93P and I'm also okay with the lack of power because I get control in return and can really swing out without fear of sending the ball against the fence. A weighted PP100 or PP100P would have to play similar, but give me more margin for error. The 93" head can be challenging on "off" days and returning big serves. The ultra low RA of the PP100 is enticing, but it's built completely different from the 93P while the PP100P has the same box beam design.
Played another couple of hours in singles last night, where I was alternating between the 93P and the PP100P.
Confirming the first impressions:
- 93P: faster / flatter ball on groundstrokes, faster / more accurate serves, great in offensive play, difficult to keep the ball deep in defense
- PP100P: lose a bit of speed on both groundstrokes and serve, but more spin / net clearance / depth; not as easy to put opponents away in attack, but much easier to bring the ball back in defence
Conclusion:
- will definitely reserve the 93P for doubles, as the game needs to be more offensive and one gets less stretched in defence
- still need to adjust the string tension on the PP100P. The Hyper G 16L at 48lbs feels a bit mushy for my liking in a 100 sq.in. frame, I need to firm it up a bit. Will probably go to 50lbs, and it will be my racquet of choice for singles
Your comments help because I'm planning on getting the PP100P as a more forgiving supplement to my 93P. How much lower in power is the 100P compared to the 93P and is that in stock configuration? I bet if you added weight to the 100P, the power would go up. Also, how much softer feeling or more flexible feeling is the 100P compared to the 93P? There's a 2 point RA difference between the two.
I have problems keeping the ball in with the 93P when my strings lose tension. I play with full bed multi, so it gets trampoliny. Maybe the lower powered 100P will allow me to play with the strings longer and at lower tensions. Though, it's on a 100" head with an open pattern, so unsure until I actually try it.
I have to string my 93P at 55# on an electronic constant pull for me to get acceptable control with full bed multi. Anything else and I have to hold back to keep the ball in. Freshly strung, it feels so good to be able to take a full rip at the ball and get good power and control, best of both worlds. Only drawback is that the small head has very little margin for error on my off or windy days.
Conclusion:
- will definitely reserve the 93P for doubles, as the game needs to be more offensive and one gets less stretched in defence
- still need to adjust the string tension on the PP100P. The Hyper G 16L at 48lbs feels a bit mushy for my liking in a 100 sq.in. frame, I need to firm it up a bit. Will probably go to 50lbs, and it will be my racquet of choice for singles
Deep slice is always a good weapon on clay.I agree that the 93P really shines as a doubles stick. But in singles what I've learned to do on defense is hit deep slices off both wings to get back in the point. That seems to be the better shot for the 93P than trying to flick back a deep drive. The 93P has enough mass in the head to get a pretty low deep slice back.
As long as your opponent is an attacker and is hanging back, those deep slices neutralize them nicely.
Quadro Twist/PPS could be interesting. Try 21kg.Thoughts on a poly/multi setup for the PP100P ?
I've been playing with PP100P for a few months now with a multi/syn gut hybrid. Overall, I really like the racket and I'm pretty happy with the string setup, but I'm ready to try a different string setup, mainly to get a little more spin.
As much as I like the playing characteristics of poly, I generally avoid it because of past shoulder issues when I use poly, which originated back to the days when I used to use a full bed of the original Big Banger.
Anyway, I was thinking of giving a poly/multi hybrid a try with Solinco Tour Bite Soft 17 @48 in the mains and Head Velocity either 16 or 17 @52 in the crosses.
I also have a set of YTex Quadro Twist 16L that I could use for the poly and Babolat Origin 16, Head Syn Gut PPS and Gosen Micro Sheep 16 that I could use for the crosses.
Thoughts ?
In my 100P I am currently using Ytex's Quadro Twist in the mains with their Protour (basic round poly) as the crosses at 44lbs and it plays fantastic! I play mostly doubles and really set up my partner at the net with easy put always because of the amount of heavy topspin I get from that setup. I've tried poly/synthetic hybrids and I just can't gel with them.Thoughts on a poly/multi setup for the PP100P ?
I've been playing with PP100P for a few months now with a multi/syn gut hybrid. Overall, I really like the racket and I'm pretty happy with the string setup, but I'm ready to try a different string setup, mainly to get a little more spin.
As much as I like the playing characteristics of poly, I generally avoid it because of past shoulder issues when I use poly, which originated back to the days when I used to use a full bed of the original Big Banger.
Anyway, I was thinking of giving a poly/multi hybrid a try with Solinco Tour Bite Soft 17 @48 in the mains and Head Velocity either 16 or 17 @52 in the crosses.
I also have a set of YTex Quadro Twist 16L that I could use for the poly and Babolat Origin 16, Head Syn Gut PPS and Gosen Micro Sheep 16 that I could use for the crosses.
Thoughts ?
I agree that the 93P really shines as a doubles stick. But in singles what I've learned to do on defense is hit deep slices off both wings to get back in the point. That seems to be the better shot for the 93P than trying to flick back a deep drive. The 93P has enough mass in the head to get a pretty low deep slice back.
As long as your opponent is an attacker and is hanging back, those deep slices neutralize them nicely.
Thoughts on a poly/multi setup for the PP100P ?
I've been playing with PP100P for a few months now with a multi/syn gut hybrid. Overall, I really like the racket and I'm pretty happy with the string setup, but I'm ready to try a different string setup, mainly to get a little more spin.
As much as I like the playing characteristics of poly, I generally avoid it because of past shoulder issues when I use poly, which originated back to the days when I used to use a full bed of the original Big Banger.
Anyway, I was thinking of giving a poly/multi hybrid a try with Solinco Tour Bite Soft 17 @48 in the mains and Head Velocity either 16 or 17 @52 in the crosses.
I also have a set of YTex Quadro Twist 16L that I could use for the poly and Babolat Origin 16, Head Syn Gut PPS and Gosen Micro Sheep 16 that I could use for the crosses.
Thoughts ?
If you want more power and much more comfort, try Signum Pro X-perience 1.18. And it looks damn cool too.I do use full bed of hyper g in a 93p right now, 17g at 46lbs. It looks cool. And it kicks ass.
If you want more power and much more comfort, try Signum Pro X-perience 1.18. And it looks damn cool too.
If you don't need more power and if your arm can handle it (in long period), then stay with Hyper G.I'll try anything that looks cool. Question - how does it hold up? I don't really need more power and tend to favor lower powered rackets and strings. No comfort issues with hyper g.
My favorite aspect of hyper g is that I can hit with it until the string breaks and I never feel like it's dead. Probably a subjective thing, but most polys - you just feel the shot where you kill the string and know it's gotta be cut.
If you don't need more power and if your arm can handle it (in long period), then stay with Hyper G.
But maybe you could just give a try to X-perience 1.18, to compare...
What tension are you playing with Hyper G?I'll try your setup my man. 21kg?
Try 48/44lbs (22/20kg) first and let me know.I'll try your setup my man. 21kg?
I'm still trying to figure out how the much heavier 93P can swing faster than the PP100P. The swingweights are practically the same. Could aerodynamics play that much of a factor with swing speed? Then the Babolat Pure Aero or the Dunlop dimple textured racquets should cut through the air even faster since they were engineered to be more aerodynamic.
I'm still trying to figure out how the much heavier 93P can swing faster than the PP100P. The swingweights are practically the same. Could aerodynamics play that much of a factor with swing speed? Then the Babolat Pure Aero or the Dunlop dimple textured racquets should cut through the air even faster since they were engineered to be
How much lead?
I'm looking for input from those who've played with both PP100 and PP100P. Which frame do you think plays better weighted up? The 93P is my day to day to racquet and I play with it stock. I'm used to the weight and balance of the 93P and I'm also okay with the lack of power because I get control in return and can really swing out without fear of sending the ball against the fence. A weighted PP100 or PP100P would have to play similar, but give me more margin for error. The 93" head can be challenging on "off" days and returning big serves. The ultra low RA of the PP100 is enticing, but it's built completely different from the 93P while the PP100P has the same box beam design.
I'm still trying to figure out how the much heavier 93P can swing faster than the PP100P. The swingweights are practically the same. Could aerodynamics play that much of a factor with swing speed? Then the Babolat Pure Aero or the Dunlop dimple textured racquets should cut through the air even faster since they were engineered to be more aerodynamic.
Excellent advice and as soon I’m set up I’ll let you know how the different string setups work. Issue I’m having now is I live in Bangkok and they are not selling prince rackets here anymore. I will prob order from overseas at some point but customs duties can be anywhere from reasonable to ridiculous in Thailand. Thanks again for all your input. Great thread !!
I'm still trying to figure out how the much heavier 93P can swing faster than the PP100P. The swingweights are practically the same. Could aerodynamics play that much of a factor with swing speed? Then the Babolat Pure Aero or the Dunlop dimple textured racquets should cut through the air even faster since they were engineered to be more aerodynamic.
The 93p felt very awkward/heavy in my hands.